Oops, forgot that the ONS data only covers March-June 2020 rather than a full year. My bad but I am sure your workings have factored that in!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
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Oops, forgot that the ONS data only covers March-June 2020 rather than a full year. My bad but I am sure your workings have factored that in!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
If I was in your shoes, I'd probably be considering a discreet retreat. Between Musk and DeSantis, there is every chance that you will be receiving another drubbing of Russia collusion/Hunter's laptop sized proportions!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Look it's going to be a busy day what with the production of the perfectly formed case study and the proof to support your assertion that covid was lab manufactured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Smiley man II can provide the goods on the 1:550000 stat.
You need to move on from endless meaningless cliches and platitudes. You can do it. I mean it looks like you have ditched Donald and jumped ship already!
Just looking at the data presented which doesn’t differentiate from overweight and obese. It’s woth reiterating (again) 2020 data was before vaccination rolloutQuote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Clearly Covid was minimal risk to healthy people which is the whole justification of the original thread.
With regards to 2/3rds of adults being overweight and obese why were fitness establishments closed and fast food joints open ?
Where was the drive to fitness and well-being and healthy eating ? Instead they locked these people away.
Just stating facts.
I never was on any ship, just exposing the Lardy & Cyril BS for the public good!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I can't wait for the climate shenanigans to kick in, the same people are going to be all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
And I’m asking what is counted as “healthy”?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
How many people in the UK had this 1 in 550,000 chance of dying? Was it 30million people? Or 5million? Or 300,000?
It’s not as high as 550,000 as the data was not for a calendar year, as pointed out by Cyril , that said deaths involved “just Covid” is very low considering the measures undertaken and excess deaths not involving Covid will far outweigh the lives saved during lockdown
Excess deaths continue to rise - In the past 28 weeks we have had 15,195 more deaths than we would expect for the time of year if the chance of dying was the same as pre-pandemic.
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...3fpwSaYgoYdmZg
This link may be of better use
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...eviousReleases
So apart from the timeframe, the use of the wrong comparative populations, the failure to factor in the impact of preventative measures and the erroneous comparison with deaths by dog mauling we clearly don't understand data.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Still you got a big smiley from your chum so its all been worth it I suppose!
I misread the data as I was on a cell phone , furthermore, even when the data is corrected , it’s still extremely low risk, and if you manipulate the dog death data , you’re still more at risk from a dog attack, which must be horrific.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Now, I appreciate you probably in the higher risk group, but I’m not and neither are millions of others.
If anything like this happens again, I doubt they will do the same, however
no doubt, there will be selfish people, ( in my opinion ) who advocate it.
What’s you view on the links posted from Twitter , (excess deaths)I think it’s extremely worrying ?
How can someone be completely blasé about covid deaths and yet extremely worried about excess deaths?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Reading through that twitter thread, it looks like the author is blaming the state of the healthcare service for the increase.
What I like about the pandemic diaries they are actual facts and give us much need insight
Royalties from this book are going to NHS charities, which I suppose is a gesture.’
Wonder how many of us would have done a better job and had a secret snog in the office ??
I think the man was used as useful patsy , and folks love to have a go at those in society who have an nasty view of unappealing personalities like him .
I’m not blasé at all, I’ve always said the policy should have been to provide protection to the vulnerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
In conclusion, that’s the policy they should have taken in this country
It's like you can't stop digging. According to this two people were killed by dogs in the whole of 2020. Talk us through how you got to the relative risk calculation?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom
On the excess deaths, as Lardy points out these are likely to be the same people with underlying conditions who you would have happily quarantined. The same people who would have found it far more difficult to access planned or acute medical treatment if more and more "healthy" people began clogging up the health system because for every dead "healthy" person there would be x times more requiring hospital treatment before recovering.
Who let the dogs out?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Which was the entire point of lockdowns, vaccines and masks, and now we've come full circle.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Most people would agree , one of my grandchildren has had big problems adapting to high school , he wants to say in not go out he is a change lad ,he was a good achiever before Covid ..Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Well done you for buying it and digesting it so quickly. Which actual facts were you most impressed by?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Great to see that you share the same views on royalties as Katherine Forster of GB News.
'His royalties from this book are going to NHS charities, which I suppose is a gesture.' GB News Political Reporter, Katherine Forster, .
Not sure on the secret snog point. Perhaps the more circumspect would have looked for security cameras first.
If I understand your last point. There are folk who like nothing more than calling out those who dislike unappealing people. I hold my hand up to disliking unappealing people so where do you stand on the people who call me out because of it?
Wikipedia, that’s fully paid up by the narrative pushers my friend. Excess deaths appear to be in the non risk groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Have a listen to this
https://twitter.com/talktv/status/15...UorTUVk0j640Dg
You have an alternative source showing thousands of deaths in 2020 as a result of dangerous dogs. Feel free to share.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Please the dog comparison has to stop.🤣🤣🤣
You know what I mean , granted it wasn’t the best comparison, but a healthy person has more risks of dying from many obscure accidents than Covid, the ONS data is clear on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Seen the latest debate in Parliament?
Ignored the debate on talk radio I see
Perhaps if you weren't too busy ridiculing people for failing to understand data and statistics whilst clearly doing so yourself you may have had a more sensible discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Anyway. On the subject of statistics there is an excellent weekly synopsis of excess deaths here. It tracks the path from the outbreak of covid to the present.
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
You can use the drop down features to analyse by age, region, type of disease etc. Could come in really handy next time you want to make a point.
Here's someone else who has read the Hancock stocking-filler from cover to cover:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...arvellous-i-am
It's a better review!
Digested read, digested: The Secret Diary of Door Matt Hancock, Aged 42¾