Oil filled portable radiators

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Not sure if this a joke or a serious post, but I will take it as serious

Did you know that the Foil Bubble insulation is the same as 60mm of rockwool loft insulation, I went with acoustic 60mm rockwool in the walls, 60 mm polystyrene in the floors and roof ( I couldnt justify the cost of PIR like Kingspan or Celotex , as the cost V u Value isnt even close ) , I then double wrapped the inside ( taping the joints ) with the Foil Bubble wrap ( like your YBS )

I then ran some " super Tuff " ( its Not armoured, but its some very thick reinforced 2.5mm T&E cable ( it actually 5mm with protection, but does fit in a plug if you take a little of the protection off as it enters the plug ) cable , then fitted a Fused spur unit ( which can be upgraded to a shed consumer unit when I have the cable connected to the house consumer unit instead of a plug ) in the mancave

Then ran a series of double sockets and 2 fused spur units around the mancave ( 6 doubles and 2 FSU, one for the heater and one for a outside socket )

then I fitted one of these

https://www.screwfix.com/p/blyss-sar...te-1500w/195jk

I went with the 1500 W ( you can get 2000 W ) as its slightly cheaper to run and I can run all the power ( with this heater included ) from the 13A fixed spur unit ( as above ) as its all under 3 KW of power *( this is the important thing if running from a plug or FSU, keep all power use under 3KW, as 3KW a cheap plug top will get warm ( as FSU connection would be safer ) from my point of view, I will always aim for under 2.5 KW

I said earlier in the thread, last week it was Minus 4 C outside and I was sat in there with a hoodie and some joggers on, when I started boxing ( in VR ) I had to take the Hoodie off, this is 5 X 3 M foot print with a 2.3 M High roof , so that gives you a idea of the heat of that heater

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Deadly serious post from me. I'm going to get armoured cable to the shed and will then be able to use it both for storage and for work.

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Originally Posted by waynekerr55

Deadly serious post from me. I'm going to get armoured cable to the shed and will then be able to use it both for storage and for work.

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armoured makes sense and is the right way to do it, but costs so much, mine is protected by the RCD on the outside socket, so I felt the trade-off was ok, Ive clipped it to the wall, so its out of the way aswell

your building will be a similar size to mine, so the 1500 W will heat it decent enough

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Originally Posted by blue matt

armoured makes sense and is the right way to do it, but costs so much, mine is protected by the RCD on the outside socket, so I felt the trade-off was ok, Ive clipped it to the wall, so its out of the way aswell

your building will be a similar size to mine, so the 1500 W will heat it decent enough

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What shed did you buy? Can i view it online?

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Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927

What shed did you buy? Can i view it online?

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I built it all from scratch, 75mm X 50mm Stud work, wrapped in building paper then Laplog Cladding ( so looks like a log cabin ), Pan tile roof sheets ( looks like a pan tiled roof, they now use these on static caravans ), then I plasterboarded the insides, Concrete base with OSB floorboard for the floor covered in LVT flooring, a 2nd hand Composite door and Frame, 3 X small UPVC windows ( they were sample window that the sales team from a local window firm had in the sales dept, they changed suppliers so I grabbed 6 of them :thumbup: ) all with as much insulation as I could justify, built a media wall for the TV and games consoles, put my old 4 seater sofa in it, when the wife allows me I will build a small bar in the corner ( but I need to get brownie points by redoing the ensuite 1st ) its a very nice space even if I say so myself

Ive built a 3 X 4 M shed, this 5 X 3 M mancave / place for kids to go with mates and make as much noise as they want , and Ive got enough Cladding and roof material to build a 4 X 3 M building ( this cant be attached to the mancave, as building regs state the max size is 15M2, so will have a small gap between ) which might be a home gym or a small salon for the wife ( if she wants it ) Im currently 22K in on costs, as for the man hours its taken me, its far too long, would I do it all again, not sure to be honest, but it was one of the clauses that I agreed to with my youngest ( who didnt want to move ) when we moved, so ive kept my word, shame its maybe 2 years too late for her to really enjoy

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I built it all from scratch, 75mm X 50mm Stud work, wrapped in building paper then Laplog Cladding ( so looks like a log cabin ), Pan tile roof sheets ( looks like a pan tiled roof, they now use these on static caravans ), then I plasterboarded the insides, Concrete base with OSB floorboard for the floor covered in LVT flooring, a 2nd hand Composite door and Frame, 3 X small UPVC windows ( they were sample window that the sales team from a local window firm had in the sales dept, they changed suppliers so I grabbed 6 of them :thumbup: ) all with as much insulation as I could justify, built a media wall for the TV and games consoles, put my old 4 seater sofa in it, when the wife allows me I will build a small bar in the corner ( but I need to get brownie points by redoing the ensuite 1st ) its a very nice space even if I say so myself

Ive built a 3 X 4 M shed, this 5 X 3 M mancave / place for kids to go with mates and make as much noise as they want , and Ive got enough Cladding and roof material to build a 4 X 3 M building ( this cant be attached to the mancave, as building regs state the max size is 15M2, so will have a small gap between ) which might be a home gym or a small salon for the wife ( if she wants it ) Im currently 22K in on costs, as for the man hours its taken me, its far too long, would I do it all again, not sure to be honest, but it was one of the clauses that I agreed to with my youngest ( who didnt want to move ) when we moved, so ive kept my word, shame its maybe 2 years too late for her to really enjoy

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You did it properly then, must've taken plenty of youtube tutorials lol, (unless you're a builder)
I quite like those pre fab "pods" you can buy. Pretty hassle free but pricey

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Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927

You did it properly then, must've taken plenty of youtube tutorials lol, (unless you're a builder)
I quite like those pre fab "pods" you can buy. Pretty hassle free but pricey

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Im a Carpenter / Builder

I also had the idea to start building bespoke garden rooms / offices, mine was going to be my " show building ", I then bottled it when I was offered a job ( part time, 1 day per week ) by a garden building company, to liaise / snag the buildings at completion / handover, its needed as this outfit pay the installers a price per job, so its often rushed, so I pop around and snag the building ( if its minor I just do the work and it comes out of the installers money ) if its more than a days work, they go back

the pods are great, they cost way too much and companies are ripping people off with them in a massive way, its a little sad really, that was my idea, A quality Job with a sensible price :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Im a Carpenter / Builder

I also had the idea to start building bespoke garden rooms / offices, mine was going to be my " show building ", I then bottled it when I was offered a job ( part time, 1 day per week ) by a garden building company, to liaise / snag the buildings at completion / handover, its needed as this outfit pay the installers a price per job, so its often rushed, so I pop around and snag the building ( if its minor I just do the work and it comes out of the installers money ) if its more than a days work, they go back

the pods are great, they cost way too much and companies are ripping people off with them in a massive way, its a little sad really, that was my idea, A quality Job with a sensible price :thumbup:

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Are there any decent alternatives to an old garden shed for basic tools and some storage ?

Do you mean these pods ?

There must be self assembly units either timber , timber plastic or plastic ?

Security obviously a concern with tools and fishing tackle

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I built it all from scratch, 75mm X 50mm Stud work, wrapped in building paper then Laplog Cladding ( so looks like a log cabin ), Pan tile roof sheets ( looks like a pan tiled roof, they now use these on static caravans ), then I plasterboarded the insides, Concrete base with OSB floorboard for the floor covered in LVT flooring, a 2nd hand Composite door and Frame, 3 X small UPVC windows ( they were sample window that the sales team from a local window firm had in the sales dept, they changed suppliers so I grabbed 6 of them :thumbup: ) all with as much insulation as I could justify, built a media wall for the TV and games consoles, put my old 4 seater sofa in it, when the wife allows me I will build a small bar in the corner ( but I need to get brownie points by redoing the ensuite 1st ) its a very nice space even if I say so myself

Ive built a 3 X 4 M shed, this 5 X 3 M mancave / place for kids to go with mates and make as much noise as they want , and Ive got enough Cladding and roof material to build a 4 X 3 M building ( this cant be attached to the mancave, as building regs state the max size is 15M2, so will have a small gap between ) which might be a home gym or a small salon for the wife ( if she wants it ) Im currently 22K in on costs, as for the man hours its taken me, its far too long, would I do it all again, not sure to be honest, but it was one of the clauses that I agreed to with my youngest ( who didnt want to move ) when we moved, so ive kept my word, shame its maybe 2 years too late for her to really enjoy

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People will say DIY but I don't have the skills or knowledge or inclination to build that

I am moving next year and won't have a garage so need an updated modern space , a sort of cross between a traditional garden shed and storage for tools , fishing gear

Is this what a pod is ?

I don't think I would need mains and the build quality you are doing

Maybe they sell them as basic kits and I can get my chippy mate to do it ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

People will say DIY but I don't have the skills or knowledge or inclination to build that

I am moving next year and won't have a garage so need an updated modern space , a sort of cross between a traditional garden shed and storage for tools , fishing gear

Is this what a pod is ?

I don't think I would need mains and the build quality you are doing

Maybe they sell them as basic kits and I can get my chippy mate to do it ?

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dont know about cost or size, but a standard large garden shed is 8ft X 6 ft , small is 6ft X 4 ft ( but thats pretty small )

some quality garden sheds about though, treated T & G ( Tongue and Groove ) boards, the thicker the better, 15mm or 18mm
8ft X 4ft, around £1 K worth, will outlast you

https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...itch-apex-shed

Going up in price and quality ( and size in this case ) 28mm log cabin style, the wall " logs " interlock on top of each other ( its very DIY'able till the roof imho ) 8ft X 7 ft, £1700

https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...og-cabin/28468


I only linked to them, as I have used them in the past, they are decent enough, Ive even insulated the insides of a few and done them as garden rooms

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Originally Posted by blue matt

dont know about cost or size, but a standard large garden shed is 8ft X 6 ft , small is 6ft X 4 ft ( but thats pretty small )

some quality garden sheds about though, treated T & G ( Tongue and Groove ) boards, the thicker the better, 15mm or 18mm
8ft X 4ft, around £1 K worth, will outlast you

https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...itch-apex-shed

Going up in price and quality ( and size in this case ) 28mm log cabin style, the wall " logs " interlock on top of each other ( its very DIY'able till the roof imho ) 8ft X 7 ft, £1700

https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...og-cabin/28468


I only linked to them, as I have used them in the past, they are decent enough, Ive even insulated the insides of a few and done them as garden rooms

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Nice one matt thanks

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Nice one matt thanks

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or some thing like this

https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...ed-range/24950

28mm walls, you would have to treat it ( stain it ) every now and then as its not pressure treated timber, by yourself a fence sprayer and it'll only 1 hour for a coat of stain

its 10ft X 6ft, so not huge, £1400, with the base

I built one of the above ( it was the 8 X 4 ft one ) for a customer, he was a old boy who wanted a place to go with a small heater and a radio to have a smoke in a comfortable armchair, I insulated the roof with 50mm celotex and plywood and he was happy as hell

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Originally Posted by blue matt

or some thing like this

https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...ed-range/24950

28mm walls, you would have to treat it ( stain it ) every now and then as its not pressure treated timber, by yourself a fence sprayer and it'll only 1 hour for a coat of stain

its 10ft X 6ft, so not huge, £1400, with the base

I built one of the above ( it was the 8 X 4 ft one ) for a customer, he was a old boy who wanted a place to go with a small heater and a radio to have a smoke in a comfortable armchair, I insulated the roof with 50mm celotex and plywood and he was happy as hell

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The place I am probably moving into has something that size but I think it's beyond repair in the state its in

500 quid labour to put that up ?

Day plus snagging ?

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Originally Posted by waynekerr55

Ha! A bit far away from me

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Right so it's this one

https://www.forestgarden.co.uk/produ...s-double-door/

Ship lap timber
Wooden panels that sit on a breezeblock base that over hang to let the water run off. I'm planning on putting the YBS insulation to the floor, putting thin hardboard down and a mixture of either laminate and carpet or tiles and carpet.
I'll be probably using 9.5mm plasterboard
It's an apex ceiling so not sure of the angle but it is approx 2.4m at the highest point

I've not considered the smokeless pit but will look into it

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Originally Posted by waynekerr55

I've not considered the smokeless pit but will look into it

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It'll singe yer eyebrows....

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Originally Posted by waynekerr55

Right so it's this one

https://www.forestgarden.co.uk/produ...s-double-door/

Ship lap timber
Wooden panels that sit on a breezeblock base that over hang to let the water run off. I'm planning on putting the YBS insulation to the floor, putting thin hardboard down and a mixture of either laminate and carpet or tiles and carpet.
I'll be probably using 9.5mm plasterboard
It's an apex ceiling so not sure of the angle but it is approx 2.4m at the highest point

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My advice

you mention you want to use it as an office?, I guess thats all year round ? ? ? all day ? ? ? and I guess them answer will dictate how much you want to throw at it

right, insulation will be your biggest friend here, when the shed is erected, you will have space between the uprights, fill that void, if the void is 40mm, fill it, you can get 40mm Polystyrene ( you can get 35mm and 25mm ) just fill that void, then staple your foil bubble wrap on the insides of the uprights, tape the joints, this acts as a moisture barrier ( keeps it out, will also keep the warm air in )

I have just searched and found the upright sizes ( its 28 x 28 framing ) so use 25mm Polystyrene, if you really want it warmer and dont mind spending a little more, you could buy some roofing batten ( 25 X 38mm ), plant it on the framing and use 50mm Polystyrene, 50mm and the foil bubble wrap and you will be lovely and toasty

yes 9.5mm Plasterboard for the walls, get the tapered edge board and then you can tape and fill it

Now the insulation on the roof, once again, as much as possible, fill that void and use bubble wrap, the boards on the roof is a tricky one, that roof will not be designed to carry too much weight, maybe look at the really lightweight T&G boards, B&Q are always the thinest, its cheap crap and will have knots and flaws, but it super lightweight and its what I fit on converted shed roofs, 9.5mm plasterboard is heavy

https://www.diy.com/departments/spru.../139314_BQ.prd

you can paint it a nice pastel colour and it looks nice imho

the trouble with putting the hardboard down over the YBS, it'll flatten it and the air bubble will squeeze out, thus little insulation, if height allows and it will be tight, run some 25mm roofing battens on the floor, fill the void with 25mm Polystyrene, foil bubble wrap over the top ( maybe even under the Polystyrene aswell ), then 12mm OSB over the top of it all, you won't need the hardboard, you can put the laminate / carpet / LVT flooring directly over the top of the OSB

you have then basically changed your shed to a cheap timber framed room, sure its not as insulated as a house, but its a hell of alot more insulated than a shed, spend the money now, get it right and it will keep you warm

of course, them windows are never going to be that warm, you might decide if you are spending 8 hours a day In it, see how it goes, if they lose alot of heat ( and they will ) change the acrylic sheets for double glazed units ( but you are talking a couple of hundred quid for that )

I would be happy to move into my mancave, safe in the knowledge that the 1500W heater works well and will keep the room warm, Infact my oldest has said when she Comes back from Uni, she could move in, it needs a toilet and shower, a small kitchen pod and it'll be good enough to live in ( with the 4 X 3M addition ) but it comes down to insulation and more insulation

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My advice

you mention you want to use it as an office?, I guess thats all year round ? ? ? all day ? ? ? and I guess them answer will dictate how much you want to throw at it

right, insulation will be your biggest friend here, when the shed is erected, you will have space between the uprights, fill that void, if the void is 40mm, fill it, you can get 40mm Polystyrene ( you can get 35mm and 25mm ) just fill that void, then staple your foil bubble wrap on the insides of the uprights, tape the joints, this acts as a moisture barrier ( keeps it out, will also keep the warm air in )

I have just searched and found the upright sizes ( its 28 x 28 framing ) so use 25mm Polystyrene, if you really want it warmer and dont mind spending a little more, you could buy some roofing batten ( 25 X 38mm ), plant it on the framing and use 50mm Polystyrene, 50mm and the foil bubble wrap and you will be lovely and toasty

yes 9.5mm Plasterboard for the walls, get the tapered edge board and then you can tape and fill it

Now the insulation on the roof, once again, as much as possible, fill that void and use bubble wrap, the boards on the roof is a tricky one, that roof will not be designed to carry too much weight, maybe look at the really lightweight T&G boards, B&Q are always the thinest, its cheap crap and will have knots and flaws, but it super lightweight and its what I fit on converted shed roofs, 9.5mm plasterboard is heavy

https://www.diy.com/departments/spru.../139314_BQ.prd

you can paint it a nice pastel colour and it looks nice imho

the trouble with putting the hardboard down over the YBS, it'll flatten it and the air bubble will squeeze out, thus little insulation, if height allows and it will be tight, run some 25mm roofing battens on the floor, fill the void with 25mm Polystyrene, foil bubble wrap over the top ( maybe even under the Polystyrene aswell ), then 12mm OSB over the top of it all, you won't need the hardboard, you can put the laminate / carpet / LVT flooring directly over the top of the OSB

you have then basically changed your shed to a cheap timber framed room, sure its not as insulated as a house, but its a hell of alot more insulated than a shed, spend the money now, get it right and it will keep you warm

of course, them windows are never going to be that warm, you might decide if you are spending 8 hours a day In it, see how it goes, if they lose alot of heat ( and they will ) change the acrylic sheets for double glazed units ( but you are talking a couple of hundred quid for that )

I would be happy to move into my mancave, safe in the knowledge that the 1500W heater works well and will keep the room warm, Infact my oldest has said when she Comes back from Uni, she could move in, it needs a toilet and shower, a small kitchen pod and it'll be good enough to live in ( with the 4 X 3M addition ) but it comes down to insulation and more insulation

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So I'm not done yet but in the process of bracing the roof, the superfoil is 99% done and I've since filled the apex with 25mm Jablite. The ceiling will also have 25mm Jablite with 5mm ply (as will the two apex).

The floor will have superfoil with Jablite above and the walls will have polystyrene backed plasterboard. Once it's done I'll post the finished photos (I know the carpentry work is a bit Heath Robinson but it'll do :popcorn:)

https://i.postimg.cc/QMt7NHL7/IMG-20241019-WA0003.jpg

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Originally Posted by waynekerr55

So I'm not done yet but in the process of bracing the roof, the superfoil is 99% done and I've since filled the apex with 25mm Jablite. The ceiling will also have 25mm Jablite with 5mm ply (as will the two apex).

The floor will have superfoil with Jablite above and the walls will have polystyrene backed plasterboard. Once it's done I'll post the finished photos (I know the carpentry work is a bit Heath Robinson but it'll do :popcorn:)

https://i.postimg.cc/QMt7NHL7/IMG-20241019-WA0003.jpg

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We don't like your sort on here you know

A lot of us want the M4 around Swansea blown up

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Originally Posted by waynekerr55

So I'm not done yet but in the process of bracing the roof, the superfoil is 99% done and I've since filled the apex with 25mm Jablite. The ceiling will also have 25mm Jablite with 5mm ply (as will the two apex).

The floor will have superfoil with Jablite above and the walls will have polystyrene backed plasterboard. Once it's done I'll post the finished photos (I know the carpentry work is a bit Heath Robinson but it'll do :popcorn:)

https://i.postimg.cc/QMt7NHL7/IMG-20241019-WA0003.jpg

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nice job :thumbup:, as I said, the more insulation you put it, the better it will be :thumbup:

make sure you tape up every joint and dont leave any gaps, as cold air will get through and create condensation behind the boards

look forward to seeing more pics

the 6mm ply on the ceiling

if you have a circular saw, its easy to run 1mm lines in the ply, it'll look like T&G ( you can YouTube the process )



I'll ask the customer im doing one for next month ( well Dec ) if I can take pics, its a 12ft X 10ft garden shed ( new ) that they want it to be a bar, going to be fully insulated, fake shaker style wood panelling ( made of MDF ) thin cheapo T&G on the ceiling and changing the windows to double glazed units and fitting a Real door, loads of sockets and 6 wall lights

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

We don't like your sort on here you know

A lot of us want the M4 around Swansea blown up

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The atmosphere has turned raaaaather sauuurr

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Originally Posted by blue matt

nice job :thumbup:, as I said, the more insulation you put it, the better it will be :thumbup:

make sure you tape up every joint and dont leave any gaps, as cold air will get through and create condensation behind the boards

look forward to seeing more pics

the 6mm ply on the ceiling

if you have a circular saw, its easy to run 1mm lines in the ply, it'll look like T&G ( you can YouTube the process )



I'll ask the customer im doing one for next month ( well Dec ) if I can take pics, its a 12ft X 10ft garden shed ( new ) that they want it to be a bar, going to be fully insulated, fake shaker style wood panelling ( made of MDF ) thin cheapo T&G on the ceiling and changing the windows to double glazed units and fitting a Real door, loads of sockets and 6 wall lights

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Awesome. I've done first fix (getting a spark to run the armoured cable down) so it has a 2 gang socket on the outside, two two gangs on the inside and then a fused spur for the light.

I think I'm going to just prime and eggshell the ceiling. I've gone through a roll and half of foil tape. The jablite is a bit brittle so using plenty on that too!

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The little ones on wheels you can get from argos etc

Are they any good ?

With the energy bills as they are was thinking of grabbing a couple instead of firing up the central heating

Cheaper to run ?

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You're getting old, all the right-hand shuffling you used to do, you never needed the heating on.