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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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SLUDGE FACTORY
His question is about atheists, not agnostics
It also answers that question if you read it carefully.
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
Do atheists know there is no God or do they believe there is no God?
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Do atheists know there is no God or do they believe there is no God?
Havnt you already asked that?
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Havnt you already asked that?
Maybe so, but did anyone answer it?
('I don't know' would be better than nothing).
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Do atheists know there is no God or do they believe there is no God?
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Havnt you already asked that?
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Maybe so, but did anyone answer it?
('I don't know' would be better than nothing).
I believe what we really need is a poll. I know what my vote would be! :thumbup:
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Maybe so, but did anyone answer it?
('I don't know' would be better than nothing).
Well my answer would be there is nothing after death at all
Nothing
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Do atheists know there is no God or do they believe there is no God?
We know there is no god in the same way you know there is one.
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
stevo
We know there is no god in the same way you know there is one.
A lack of engagement is the only constant from the majority of agnostics here; yet ironically agnostics by definition don't know!
[Agnostic: someone who does not know, or believes that it is impossible to know, if a god exists].
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Havnt you already asked that?
Yes, sorry, a senior moment I think! Forgot it's on the previous page.
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Yes, sorry, a senior moment I think! Forgot it's on the previous page.
Easily done. It's a shame nobody can muster a decent answer, even by accident :biggrin:
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
A lack of engagement is the only constant from the majority of agnostics here; yet ironically agnostics by definition don't know!
[Agnostic: someone who does not know, or believes that it is impossible to know, if a god exists].
I think most people just get tired talking about something that doesn't exist
It's understandable really
At least we KNOW cardiff city are crap as we can see it with our own eyes
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
truthpaste
Easily done. It's a shame nobody can muster a decent answer, even by accident :biggrin:
I assume that as no-one can prove there is no God, then atheists can only believe there is no God i.e. they have a faith based belief?
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I assume that as no-one can prove there is no God, then atheists can only believe there is no God i.e. they have a faith based belief?
Assume or believe what you like but it is pretty dull to constantly demand someone else proves a negative.
Life is too short to indulge that kind of nonsense and the semantic knots that go with it.
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think most people just get tired talking about something that doesn't exist
It's understandable really
At least we KNOW cardiff city are crap as we can see it with our own eyes
I am certainly getting tired of snake oil salesmen demanding that non believers in snake oil spend time and effort debating the best recipes for snake oil.
If someone is happy sounding off on the elixir of life, that is fine if it gives them a sense of purpose and a warm glow - but for those of us who don’t accept the magic potion theory, it is pointless and tedious.
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I assume that as no-one can prove there is no God, then atheists can only believe there is no God i.e. they have a faith based belief?
Shhhhh, they don't like the word 'believe' or 'faith' - even though the former is mentioned all the time by the individuals who present their chosen alternative.... 'science'.
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
We can prove that if you mix a naked flame and petrol you get a fire 🔥
That's science
That's not belief or faith ......its a fact
You are asked to give facts and evidence that there is a God.........and all you can do is say is quote stuff that is in a book
Saying God has come into your life is no more evidence of his existence than saying you have seen a ghost
If you asked me to prove to you that drinking washing up liquid would make make me sick then I could do it
Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time
We don't know WHY drinking coca cola is safer than drinking washing up liquid but it's a scientific fact ......both are man made , one makes you vomit 🤮
But when we ask for a fact or evidence to prove that God exists here and now ......you can't do it.....believing he exists is not proof
In all the time he's been around and in the time since Jesus died and apparently came back from the dead nobody who has lost a parent or a friend has evidence that this person has been reborn or is in heaven
But your belief is that Jesus was reborn and that there is a heaven
If I was God then I would be regularly making sure that the whole world was being shown evidence of him , his existence and the afterlife
In the same way that a new cancer drug has to prove it works before doctors use it
It's a very simple plea but it's never answered or excuses are made
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Assume or believe what you like but it is pretty dull to constantly demand someone else proves a negative.
Life is too short to indulge that kind of nonsense and the semantic knots that go with it.
With respect, I don't think I am guilty of the charge of constantly demanding someone else proves a negative! The thought just came into my mind so hence I asked the question about faith based belief. It surely has to apply to atheists as much as Christians I'd have thought, but I'm happy to leave it there.
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
With respect, I don't think I am guilty of the charge of constantly demanding someone else proves a negative! The thought just came into my mind so hence I asked the question about faith based belief. It surely has to apply to atheists as much as Christians I'd have thought, but I'm happy to leave it there.
OK
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Assume or believe what you like but it is pretty dull to constantly demand someone else proves a negative.
Life is too short to indulge that kind of nonsense and the semantic knots that go with it.
Semantic knots and quotes from a book are evidence and proof
They are not of course but it's never going to get any better
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Re: Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
We can prove that if you mix a naked flame and petrol you get a fire ��
That's science
That's not belief or faith ......its a fact
You are asked to give facts and evidence that there is a God.........and all you can do is say is quote stuff that is in a book
Saying God has come into your life is no more evidence of his existence than saying you have seen a ghost
If you asked me to prove to you that drinking washing up liquid would make make me sick then I could do it
Science is not perfect but it trumps faith and belief all the time
We don't know WHY drinking coca cola is safer than drinking washing up liquid but it's a scientific fact ......both are man made , one makes you vomit ��
But when we ask for a fact or evidence to prove that God exists here and now ......you can't do it.....believing he exists is not proof
In all the time he's been around and in the time since Jesus died and apparently came back from the dead nobody who has lost a parent or a friend has evidence that this person has been reborn or is in heaven
But your belief is that Jesus was reborn and that there is a heaven
If I was God then I would be regularly making sure that the whole world was being shown evidence of him , his existence and the afterlife
In the same way that a new cancer drug has to prove it works before doctors use it
It's a very simple plea but it's never answered or excuses are made
Thanks for raising these points....
Science v The Bible is now a new thread, I will answer your points (made here on this subject) on that new thread as time allows :thumbup:
