England v Siopis

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I would say we are now entering the realms of absurdity. Of that Spanish squad that won the Euros, Rodri would be my only choice of a world class player.
Further up the thread, comparing Rush to Messi, is suggesting an all time World class squad,.
An interesting topic, but as in all things football, it’s just opinions.
For what it’s worth, in my all time squad, Messi wouldn’t get into it.

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:yikes:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I would say we are now entering the realms of absurdity. Of that Spanish squad that won the Euros, Rodri would be my only choice of a world class player.
Further up the thread, comparing Rush to Messi, is suggesting an all time World class squad,.
An interesting topic, but as in all things football, it’s just opinions.
For what it’s worth, in my all time squad, Messi wouldn’t get into it.

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The board is still recovering from your last sentence. It may take some time.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I'd love to see your all time squad if Messi isn't in it :yikes:

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No room for him with Maradona, Pele and Best.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

No room for him with Maradona, Pele and Best.

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The Belfast Boy was great but Messi is....well he's Lionel Messi !

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

No room for him with Maradona, Pele and Best.

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Frigging hell, drugs, drink & viagra.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

No room for him with Maradona, Pele and Best.

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Lee Carsley would pick all of them, and both Ronaldos.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

The Belfast Boy was great but Messi is....well he's Lionel Messi !

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I’d take him as a kit man 😁, but he never gets in any of my squads before the 3 I mentioned., although Best wore no 7 most of his career, he still gets in before Lionel.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Frigging hell, drugs, drink & viagra.

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If we are going on their private lives, then you can add tax dodging weazel 😂

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I’d take him as a kit man ��, but he never gets in any of my squads before the 3 I mentioned., although Best wore no 7 most of his career, he still gets in before Lionel.

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each to their own, I'm not going to try to convince you that you're wrong. but in my books Messi is well clear of any of those.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Frigging hell, drugs, drink & viagra.

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I'm not sure but that list is right but maybe in the wrong order - did Best ever need Viagra?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

each to their own, I'm not going to try to convince you that you're wrong. but in my books Messi is well clear of any of those.

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Whilst I respect both your opinion and your reply, you’d have more chance of nailing blancmange to a ceiling than convincing me Messi was better than Maradona .

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

I'm not sure but that list is right but maybe in the wrong order - did Best ever need Viagra?

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All for alliteration :hehe:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I’d take him as a kit man ��, but he never gets in any of my squads before the 3 I mentioned., although Best wore no 7 most of his career, he still gets in before Lionel.

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Fair enough, that's your opinion. With all due respect I think it's insane though :hehe: George Best above Messi!

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Whilst I respect both your opinion and your reply, you’d have more chance of nailing blancmange to a ceiling than convincing me Messi was better than Maradona .

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likewise for me, while I enormously enjoyed Maradona you won't be able to convince me he's anywhere near Messi.

George Best - 204 goals in 616 career club games, 137 in 361 for United after which he never played at the top level again and was basically a circus act. 9 in 37 for Northern Ireland, never played in a major tournament.

versus Messi, 474 goals in 520 for Barcelona, another 22 in 58 for PSG, 109 goals in 188 appearances for Argentina. All at basically the highest level you can play in terms of club and international football with a World Cup, multiple Champions Leagues, double digit league titles. Individual achievements too long to type but just go look at Wikipedia.

Fair play, respect all opinions but that's one of the craziest ones I've seen in a long time nqat.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Who do you consider as world class in the current Spain team?

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Rodri is probably the best midfielder in the world but aside from him nobody else there is world class, maybe Carvajal as his style of right back? Yamal certainly seems to be on the trajectory of becoming a world class player but he's not there yet

What they do have is a clutch of very, very good players everywhere, no gaps in the way England do. Even someone like Cucurella who was mocked pre final likely gets in the England team. Morata who was deemed a weak link has played & scored for some of Europe's biggest clubs and those who play at less heralded clubs showed how good they really are

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Originally Posted by City123

Rodri is probably the best midfielder in the world but aside from him nobody else there is world class, maybe Carvajal as his style of right back? Yamal certainly seems to be on the trajectory of becoming a world class player but he's not there yet

What they do have is a clutch of very, very good players everywhere, no gaps in the way England do. Even someone like Cucurella who was mocked pre final likely gets in the England team. Morata who was deemed a weak link has played & scored for some of Europe's biggest clubs and those who play at less heralded clubs showed how good they really are

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I'd agree with all of that.

I'm also amused by the fact that a thread with Siopis in the title has become a discussion about world class players.

:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

likewise for me, while I enormously enjoyed Maradona you won't be able to convince me he's anywhere near Messi.

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You could have said "not as good" as Messi. To say that Maradona isn't "Anywhere near Messi" is bonkers.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You could have said "not as good" as Messi. To say that Maradona isn't "Anywhere near Messi" is bonkers.

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I stand by it, nobody is anywhere near Messi.

Just my opinion though, other opinions are available.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I stand by it, nobody is anywhere near Messi.

Just my opinion though, other opinions are available.

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Absolutely, and more power to you, I don't want to change your mind. I still think it's bonkers though 👍

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Originally Posted by LA Bluebird

George Best - 204 goals in 616 career club games, 137 in 361 for United after which he never played at the top level again and was basically a circus act. 9 in 37 for Northern Ireland, never played in a major tournament.

versus Messi, 474 goals in 520 for Barcelona, another 22 in 58 for PSG, 109 goals in 188 appearances for Argentina. All at basically the highest level you can play in terms of club and international football with a World Cup, multiple Champions Leagues, double digit league titles. Individual achievements too long to type but just go look at Wikipedia.

Fair play, respect all opinions but that's one of the craziest ones I've seen in a long time nqat.

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Some very over dramatic responses to my post.
If we are talking about opinions on the best 24 truly world class players throughout history so far, (and the meaning of this phrase is still up for debate) then of course I’d have Messi in there.
I was referring to a squad, as in a 24 man squad, so in my humble opinion, after seeing all 4 play in my time, I’d have Maradona, Pele and Best before Messi, in my squad. Peter Schmeikle and Neville Southall, my keepers. Paulo Maldini, Franco Barezi and Bobby Moore in my defence etc etc.
it’s all opinions and fantasy land anyway, for who knows how Best and Messi would have performed if they’d both played in each others eras.
Ps, I’d probably of also picked Jimmy Greaves ahead of Messi as well 😱

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Some very over dramatic responses to my post.
If we are talking about opinions on the best 24 truly world class players throughout history so far, (and the meaning of this phrase is still up for debate) then of course I’d have Messi in there.
I was referring to a squad, as in a 24 man squad, so in my humble opinion, after seeing all 4 play in my time, I’d have Maradona, Pele and Best before Messi, in my squad. Peter Schmeikle and Neville Southall, my keepers. Paulo Maldini, Franco Barezi and Bobby Moore in my defence etc etc.
it’s all opinions and fantasy land anyway, for who knows how Best and Messi would have performed if they’d both played in each others eras.
Ps, I’d probably of also picked Jimmy Greaves ahead of Messi as well 😱

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You really do have it in for poor Lionel !

Can't argue with your choice of defenders though.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Some very over dramatic responses to my post.
If we are talking about opinions on the best 24 truly world class players throughout history so far, (and the meaning of this phrase is still up for debate) then of course I’d have Messi in there.
I was referring to a squad, as in a 24 man squad, so in my humble opinion, after seeing all 4 play in my time, I’d have Maradona, Pele and Best before Messi, in my squad. Peter Schmeikle and Neville Southall, my keepers. Paulo Maldini, Franco Barezi and Bobby Moore in my defence etc etc.
it’s all opinions and fantasy land anyway, for who knows how Best and Messi would have performed if they’d both played in each others eras.
Ps, I’d probably of also picked Jimmy Greaves ahead of Messi as well ��

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I’d have Capability Brown over you, all subjective obviously :hehe:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’d have Capability Brown over you, all subjective obviously :hehe:

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👍😂

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’d have Capability Brown over you, all subjective obviously :hehe:

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You got me thinking. What was the name of the florists that used to be in Lansdowne Rd? (Ninian end)