Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Wales-Bales
WalesBales taking his lead from big business now.
Free thinking has evolved somewhat.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Rjk
early days in a parliament makes little difference to voters apparently, most floating voters vote based on the last 18 months tops before an election - so they're probably getting all the unpopular stuff out of the way first now then throw us a bone in a year or two
It sounds like you've already got the bone :xmashehe:
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
early days in a parliament makes little difference to voters apparently, most floating voters vote based on the last 18 months tops before an election - so they're probably getting all the unpopular stuff out of the way first now then throw us a bone in a year or two
It worries me that most of what they have done isn't even controversial yet they can't get out in front of the inevitable response.
Winter Fuel Allowance - benefits should be means tested, come up with a scheme/roadmap that helps those caught in the just above pension credit grey area.
VAT on private schools - country can't afford to give a tax break to private schools, show kids in top hats that nobody normal can relate to. If a Tory mentions the pressure on state schools as a result, ask them about their migration record and funding and show the pressure that has caused (likely far more)
Employer NI - I think quite a few of the businesses kicking up a fuss would have seen more impact by the recent inflation matching rises in min wage. Likely increase for an employee on the median wage is 900£. Oh and if a FTSE100 boss criticises it, do a tiny bit of research and publicly ask why their CEO earns 50+% more than they did pre-pandemic.
Public sector pay-rise - relate criticism to services/people that the public rely on and aggressively point at the above about CEO pay while asking why needing to give pay rises to 'retain talent' doesn't apply to nurses etc. At the moment some private sector employees are looking for a race to the bottom with the public sector, they should be looking at the obscene salaries at the top of their own business.
Farmers - publicly sling mud at people who have used it as a tax avoidance scheme until the whole alliance crumbles. Anybody who supports Clarkson, Dyson etc or publishes anything they say is supporting tax avoidance and hurting farmers in the long term.
Unfortunately this government doesn't seem to have the balls/inclination to upset people at the top. The reality is that the public/taxpayer are being taken for a ride and they should keep saying this and linking it the Tories as much as they can, rather than the tired 'liz truss crashed the economy' yawnfest. And finally make some laws around transparency of the credentials/funding of experts (i.e. think-tank grads) that are plastered all over the TV/media pushing narratives.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Eric Cartman
It worries me that most of what they have done isn't even controversial yet they can't get out in front of the inevitable response.
Winter Fuel Allowance - benefits should be means tested, come up with a scheme/roadmap that helps those caught in the just above pension credit grey area.
VAT on private schools - country can't afford to give a tax break to private schools, show kids in top hats that nobody normal can relate to. If a Tory mentions the pressure on state schools as a result, ask them about their migration record and funding and show the pressure that has caused (likely far more)
Employer NI - I think quite a few of the businesses kicking up a fuss would have seen more impact by the recent inflation matching rises in min wage. Likely increase for an employee on the median wage is 900£. Oh and if a FTSE100 boss criticises it, do a tiny bit of research and publicly ask why their CEO earns 50+% more than they did pre-pandemic.
Public sector pay-rise - relate criticism to services/people that the public rely on and aggressively point at the above about CEO pay while asking why needing to give pay rises to 'retain talent' doesn't apply to nurses etc. At the moment some private sector employees are looking for a race to the bottom with the public sector, they should be looking at the obscene salaries at the top of their own business.
Farmers - publicly sling mud at people who have used it as a tax avoidance scheme until the whole alliance crumbles. Anybody who supports Clarkson, Dyson etc or publishes anything they say is supporting tax avoidance and hurting farmers in the long term.
Unfortunately this government doesn't seem to have the balls/inclination to upset people at the top. The reality is that the public/taxpayer are being taken for a ride and they should keep saying this and linking it the Tories as much as they can, rather than the tired 'liz truss crashed the economy' yawnfest. And finally make some laws around transparency of the credentials/funding of experts (i.e. think-tank grads) that are plastered all over the TV/media pushing narratives.
Of course, it is, back Public Sector with excessive pay rises £11Billion and taking a tiny proportion from pensioners, 1.5Billion, it's idiotic politics, lose the next election in the first few weeks of power it's plan daft.
Employer NI, shatters any prospect of growth and investment in private companies.
Farmers turn off all voters from rural communities.
Private schools will increase the burden on standard schools as middle earners with businesses affected by NI rises for their employees and VAT on school fees, will withdraw from Private Education.
Wait till the railways get worse and all the other cockups take hold, this is supposed to be a COVID-free recovery period for growth and improvement, but we will go backward and end up in a worse mess in four years.
Come back in four years and see how we compare directly with the US, I'm not a fan of Trump but he will will go for growth and investment, and we are doing the opposite.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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North Cardiff Blue
Of course, it is, back Public Sector with excessive pay rises £11Billion and taking a tiny proportion from pensioners, 1.5Billion, it's idiotic politics, lose the next election in the first few weeks of power it's plan daft.
What would the right pay rise have been in % terms?
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North Cardiff Blue
Employer NI, shatters any prospect of growth and investment in private companies.
So you are predicting a recession next quarter, next year? I would just like to set a line in the sand so we can revisit it later.
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North Cardiff Blue
Private schools will increase the burden on standard schools as middle earners with businesses affected by NI rises for their employees and VAT on school fees, will withdraw from Private Education.
Numbers? All conjecture until it actually happens. Country can't afford to subsidise people who chose to send their kids to private school anymore. I used to play cricket at a local private primary school, they had a swimming pool, state of the art sports facilities and more land than every local secondary combined. Why should the taxpayer subsidise that through tax breaks at the expensive of their own children's education?
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North Cardiff Blue
Wait till the railways get worse and all the other cockups take hold, this is supposed to be a COVID-free recovery period for growth and improvement, but we will go backward and end up in a worse mess in four years.
Growth at the expense of millions of working families doesn't benefit the country.
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North Cardiff Blue
Come back in four years and see how we compare directly with the US, I'm not a fan of Trump but he will will go for growth and investment, and we are doing the opposite.
Why wait 4 years, maybe look at the last 4 years. How did the conservatives led UK compare to democrat led US during that time period?
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
What would the right pay rise have been in % terms?
So you are predicting a recession next quarter, next year? I would just like to set a line in the sand so we can revisit it later.
Numbers? All conjecture until it actually happens. Country can't afford to subsidise people who chose to send their kids to private school anymore. I used to play cricket at a local private primary school, they had a swimming pool, state of the art sports facilities and more land than every local secondary combined. Why should the taxpayer subsidise that through tax breaks at the expensive of their own children's education?
Growth at the expense of millions of working families doesn't benefit the country.
Why wait 4 years, maybe look at the last 4 years. How did the conservatives led UK compare to democrat led US during that time period?
Nowhere near as high as they were, a few percent.
No growth or the 0.01% type probably not a recession unless they get even worse.
Any numbers would cause a problem, schools are struggling enough.
It was proportionately better, but they had Brexit & Covid fallout to deal with, that's all done now so it should be growth, growth growth.
The conservatives were pretty crap too, but will look a lot better in four years.
How do you think Drakeford has done in Wales?
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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North Cardiff Blue
Nowhere near as high as they were, a few percent.
No growth or the 0.01% type probably not a recession unless they get even worse.
Any numbers would cause a problem, schools are struggling enough.
It was proportionately better, but they had Brexit & Covid fallout to deal with, that's all done now so it should be growth, growth growth.
The conservatives were pretty crap too, but will look a lot better in four years.
How do you think Drakeford has done in Wales?
It's like us losing Slade after all the crap he had to deal with and getting change in Trollope for five years, imagine the mess he would have made, that's our future.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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North Cardiff Blue
It's like us losing Slade after all the crap he had to deal with and getting change in Trollope for five years, imagine the mess he would have made, that's our future.
surely Liz Truss is the best fit for Trollope in this?
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Rjk
surely Liz Truss is the best fit for Trollope in this?
hhhmmmm you could have a point :xmashehe:
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Nowhere near as high as they were, a few percent.
No growth or the 0.01% type probably not a recession unless they get even worse.
Any numbers would cause a problem, schools are struggling enough.
It was proportionately better, but they had Brexit & Covid fallout to deal with, that's all done now so it should be growth, growth growth.
The conservatives were pretty crap too, but will look a lot better in four years.
How do you think Drakeford has done in Wales?
Follow up question if I may.. what kind of pay-rise should they have got when inflation was a) 10% and b)1%. My point is pretty basic, if all public sector employees are only ever entitled to below inflationary pay rises then eventually they will only be able to buy a mars bar with their monthly wage (or more realistically teachers, nurses, police, fire, social workers etc. will all be earning minimum wage). That doesn't sound like a functioning society to me. Wage compression is real in the public sector, there is essentially a cap on pay at the top, and a rising minimum wage, this means people doing really quite basic jobs earn only a little bit less than people taking on significant responsibility, this is a disaster for retention and means the viability of the organisation basically relies on goodwill.
On growth, I'll take over 0.01% and we can revisit it in a year.
On schools, if adding any number of pupils to the state system will break it then it is a surprise it isn't broken after recent migration, I'd imagine that number dwarfs the number of kids that will move from private->state this year.
Maybe take a look at the national debt/interest payments if you think the effects of COVID on the UK economy are over, they are an anchor.
I'll be honest, I don't really follow Welsh politics as I don't live in Wales, so I don't really have much to offer when it comes to that.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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Eric Cartman
Follow up question if I may.. what kind of pay-rise should they have got when inflation was a) 10% and b)1%. My point is pretty basic, if all public sector employees are only ever entitled to below inflationary pay rises then eventually they will only be able to buy a mars bar with their monthly wage (or more realistically teachers, nurses, police, fire, social workers etc. will all be earning minimum wage). That doesn't sound like a functioning society to me. Wage compression is real in the public sector, there is essentially a cap on pay at the top, and a rising minimum wage, this means people doing really quite basic jobs earn only a little bit less than people taking on significant responsibility, this is a disaster for retention and means the viability of the organisation basically relies on goodwill.
On growth, I'll take over 0.01% and we can revisit it in a year.
On schools, if adding any number of pupils to the state system will break it then it is a surprise it isn't broken after recent migration, I'd imagine that number dwarfs the number of kids that will move from private->state this year.
Maybe take a look at the national debt/interest payments if you think the effects of COVID on the UK economy are over, they are an anchor.
I'll be honest, I don't really follow Welsh politics as I don't live in Wales, so I don't really have much to offer when it comes to that.
Wales is in a right mess, if you think England is bad, it is miles worse here, but we are one of the slowest nations in the World and that saved one hedgehog's life last year, so it's not all bad :xmasthumbup:
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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North Cardiff Blue
Wales is in a right mess, if you think England is bad, it is miles worse here, but we are one of the slowest nations in the World and that saved one hedgehog's life last year, so it's not all bad :xmasthumbup:
Give it a rest.:xmashomer:
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
Wales does worse than England on pretty much every metric going doesnt it?
Nothing to be proud of. We should accept it and change it.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
I see there is a new petition online now to object to the London mayor, getting a knighthood !!!!!!
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Heathblue
I see there is a new petition online now to object to the London mayor, getting a knighthood !!!!!!
There have been FAR less deserving knighthoods in recent years.
Re: Petition to get rid of starmer and his cronies
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JamesWales
Wales does worse than England on pretty much every metric going doesnt it?
Nothing to be proud of. We should accept it and change it.
Explain how right wing politics is going to help Wales.
