"I'm convinced that death is not the end for us whatever happens after that"

The more intelligent humans are , the less likely they are to believe in God, christ , miracles etc

Is it any surprise that 94 percent of scientific people .....a broad definition of course but it's been used often ....do not believe

And at the other end of the scale the less educated often flock ...sic ....to some sort of faith , religion , guru etc ?

It doesn't surprise me at all

Whilst science isn't perfect experiments , facts and evidence can PROVE .....beyond most peoples doubt that if this and this happens or if you mix this with that you get this etc etc

Wheras those that BELIEVE or have FAITH in God cannot provide , when asked , simple , irrefutable EVIDENCE that their faith ....is fact

When I ask a scientist what happens when Iron is mixed with acid he can say .....there will be a heat reaction.......and he can prove this by mixing iron pieces with sulphuric acid .....in front of me ......and show me the bubbles......direct evidence

When a normal person ......maybe a scientist .....asks a person who believes in God to prove that this person exists then over thousands of years these people either make things up , quote something from their holy book or go round and round in circles , providing nothing

Its fine to have faith but faith isn't evidence

If I go to a doctor and he says take these tablets they will stop your headaches I want PROOF they will work .......if he says I believe they will work then I am not going to take them

As a scientist he would be able to provide that evidence

Christians want us to believe in their medicine and tablets and way of life so we can also get eternal life and meet God etc etc

But when we ask for evidence of this God there is absolutely nothing they can offer

This thread is just like all the rest , it's so tedious

I am glad I rejected all this nonsense at 13 , I find it almost laughable that people are grown adults and waste time on it

If there's a God he will let people in as long as we are not like Hitler or Harold Shipman both who were God types

If there isn't a God, and there isn't, no problem , it's all been a waste

Amen

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

How do you define a minority in this context? There are so many stats available on the Internet I find it impossible to find a consensus.

IMO I suspect only a very small minority of the whole U.K. population believe in Jesus Christ but again impossible to quantify exactly. I wouldn't expect the majority to do so as in these times where truth is optional following Jesus is far too great a challenge – best to ignore him and do your own thing.

I think I've read that around 5% of the population attend churches regularly and if only half of those actually believe in Jesus (i.e. “true” Christians with all that that entails) then that's 2.5% of the population, a very small minority indeed*

Hence it should not be surprising if only a similarly small minority of scientists believe in Jesus. That does not make them wrong of course – it's perfectly possible that the other 97.5% are wrong! Also I do wonder if some scientists have a faith but are loath to express it out of fear that their status in the scientific community would be diminished if the bulk of their peers are atheists and only too ready to resort to ridicule? (Although I suspect this would not be the case for Muslim scientists of course!).

The usual popular answer of course is that scientists (and Sludge Factory) possess superior intelligence which therefore precludes them from matters of faith. Try that argument with Prof. John Lennox, professor of mathematics!

You surely know my stance by now and I am only replying to you out of courtesy as you asked me the question directly. I have been faithful in sharing my faith with you and others but, as even Jesus said, there comes a time to say take it or leave it, shake the dust off your shoes, and move on!

*Interestingly stats are usually based on info from the Church of England, a denomination which is shrinking fast in terms of numbers whereas the newer, shall we say “free churches” such as the one I attend, are increasing in membership numbers. I believe this is due to going back to the basics of Christianity and not compromising by adopting the latest social trends.

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Prof John Lennox is almost hero worshipped by Christians as he's one of the only apparently intelligent Christians out there

Those that link to his views , his books and his clash with Dawkins....one of hundreds of atheist commentators out there .....are Christians......

If you watch the debate from outside the walls it's just two people arguing each other to sleep


You really have to do better than that

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

How do you define a minority in this context? There are so many stats available on the Internet I find it impossible to find a consensus.

IMO I suspect only a very small minority of the whole U.K. population believe in Jesus Christ but again impossible to quantify exactly. I wouldn't expect the majority to do so as in these times where truth is optional following Jesus is far too great a challenge – best to ignore him and do your own thing.

I think I've read that around 5% of the population attend churches regularly and if only half of those actually believe in Jesus (i.e. “true” Christians with all that that entails) then that's 2.5% of the population, a very small minority indeed*

Hence it should not be surprising if only a similarly small minority of scientists believe in Jesus. That does not make them wrong of course – it's perfectly possible that the other 97.5% are wrong! Also I do wonder if some scientists have a faith but are loath to express it out of fear that their status in the scientific community would be diminished if the bulk of their peers are atheists and only too ready to resort to ridicule? (Although I suspect this would not be the case for Muslim scientists of course!).

The usual popular answer of course is that scientists (and Sludge Factory) possess superior intelligence which therefore precludes them from matters of faith. Try that argument with Prof. John Lennox, professor of mathematics!

You surely know my stance by now and I am only replying to you out of courtesy as you asked me the question directly. I have been faithful in sharing my faith with you and others but, as even Jesus said, there comes a time to say take it or leave it, shake the dust off your shoes, and move on!

*Interestingly stats are usually based on info from the Church of England, a denomination which is shrinking fast in terms of numbers whereas the newer, shall we say “free churches” such as the one I attend, are increasing in membership numbers. I believe this is due to going back to the basics of Christianity and not compromising by adopting the latest social trends.

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I was referring to the global population and not just the UK but thanks for your civil reply. You are easy to communicate with, always polite and I respect your point of view even though I see all religions as man-made and lacking in any real evidence of their veracity.
Enjoy your day, Gofer.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You really have to do better than that

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So what ARE you actually looking for Sludge that would cause you to really start valuing your soul above everything else?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

So what ARE you actually looking for Sludge that would cause you to really start valuing your soul above everything else?

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A sexy woman with her own place who is happy to pop over a couple of days a week but not on a Saturday or if I am going fishing

That's it

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

A sexy woman with her own place who is happy to pop over a couple of days a week but not on a Saturday or if I am going fishing

That's it

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God who knows all about you including your thoughts is
way ahead of you on this one, just by 2 millenia:-

For the one who sows to his flesh [his sinful capacity, his worldliness, his disgraceful impulses] will reap from the flesh ruin and destruction, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life - Galatians 6:8

I realise i'm ignoring 4 pages of stuff and just responding to the topic title, but for me as nice as it would be for there to be something afterwards, I think once you've gone that's it.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I realise i'm ignoring 4 pages of stuff and just responding to the topic title, but for me as nice as it would be for there to be something afterwards, I think once you've gone that's it.

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https://youtu.be/Jjch-CQbEUo?si=V_68S1wQJdAcqaFA

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

God who knows all about you including your thoughts is
way ahead of you on this one, just by 2 millenia:-

For the one who sows to his flesh [his sinful capacity, his worldliness, his disgraceful impulses] will reap from the flesh ruin and destruction, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life - Galatians 6:8

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If your God is the creator then he created man and woman

And it's perfectly natural therefore for sexual thoughts , impulses and fornication

Your God created sex and God bless him for that ��

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I realise i'm ignoring 4 pages of stuff and just responding to the topic title, but for me as nice as it would be for there to be something afterwards, I think once you've gone that's it.

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Heaven and Hell. Carrot and stick. Fear and reward. Heaven.
Many religions have similar concepts, whether it be Hades, Paradise, The Bridge of Separation, The Inferno, The Field of Reeds, The Underworld, Re-incarnation (upward progress v downward), Valhalla, The Happy Hunting Ground etc etc.

Many stories in the major religious tomes we know of today are recycled from the folklore of Assyria, Egypt, Babylonia, Palestine, Mesopatamia, Sumeria, Iran, India etc. It's all part of a folklore continuum (the current and endless schisms of Abrahamism being a great example thereof in just a few thousand years).

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If your God is the creator then he created man and woman

And it's perfectly natural therefore for sexual thoughts , impulses and fornication

Your God created sex and God bless him for that ��

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If people's actions were constantly linked to their thoughts & desires then it would not be safe for anyone to be anywhere except being alone in a locked and secure room.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

If people's actions were constantly linked to their thoughts & desires then it would not be safe for anyone to be anywhere except being alone in a locked and secure room.

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Thank gawd for castration

So, I've given you a couple of days now to read that declassified CIA document I posted upthread. Hands up if you've read all 29 pages?

Thought not.

But in the extremely unlikely event that you have and it has piqued your interest, there is plenty more on YouTube and elsewhere regarding this topic.

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Originally Posted by stevo

So, I've given you a couple of days now to read that declassified CIA document I posted upthread. Hands up if you've read all 29 pages?

Thought not.

But in the extremely unlikely event that you have and it has piqued your interest, there is plenty more on YouTube and elsewhere regarding this topic.

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Stevo,
We are still waiting for your summary and bullet points that sum up your current understanding - ie your world view.
In anticipation of that. Many thanks.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Stevo,
We are still waiting for your summary and bullet points that sum up your current understanding - ie your world view.
In anticipation of that. Many thanks.

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Just because I didn't do my homework doesn't mean you didn't have to :ohwell:



1. We are not alone. The Universe is abundant with life (far more evidence for this exists than for the existence of God).

2. We have always been visited by various alien species, particularly in ancient times, which in turn has led to the creation of various religions. There has been an increasing number of visitations since we started messing around with nuclear power.

3. All life in the Universe contributes to a single consciousness.

4. Reality is a by-product of consciousness, not the other way around (https://youtu.be/5Rme_ZjPr2I?feature=shared).

5. Death is not the end, it's a transition (backed up by quantum physics). Countless NDE stories have been told in incredible detail that are too similar to ignore.

6. The power of the human mind is more powerful than most people realise (telepathy, telekinesis, remote viewing are real).

7. The Universe is multi-dimensional beyond spacetime and time is not linear.

8. Secret services around the world have been backward-engineering alien tech since the Roswell incident.

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Just because I didn't do my homework doesn't mean you didn't have to :ohwell:



1. We are not alone. The Universe is abundant with life (far more evidence for this exists than for the existence of God).

2. We have always been visited by various alien species, particularly in ancient times, which in turn has led to the creation of various religions. There has been an increasing number of visitations since we started messing around with nuclear power.

3. All life in the Universe contributes to a single consciousness.

4. Reality is a by-product of consciousness, not the other way around (https://youtu.be/5Rme_ZjPr2I?feature=shared).

5. Death is not the end, it's a transition (backed up by quantum physics). Countless NDE stories have been told in incredible detail that are too similar to ignore.

6. The power of the human mind is more powerful than most people realise (telepathy, telekinesis, remote viewing are real).

7. The Universe is multi-dimensional beyond spacetime and time is not linear.

8. Secret services around the world have been backward-engineering alien tech since the Roswell incident.

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So let's sum this up:-

1. We've been visited by a beings that are not human in origin.
2. These visitations have been ramped up in recent history.
3. All life in the universe has a common connection.
4. This life is NOT the ultimate reality.
5. Physical death is NOT the end of our existence.
6. Reality is multi-dimensional.

These six points sum up over 90% of your findings and are ALL addressed in God's key communication to us; in other words, all such matters are mentioned in the Bible in one way or another.

So you have completed the jigsaw that is life & reality but are still missing a few key pieces.

Let's back up to your 'evidence' that 'alien life' has seeded life on earth for a moment.
Let's assume that this is 100% correct.

Now where did these aliens originate from, and should you suppose they have been seeded by other aliens and so on and so on, then do you see that at some point you require an originator that is outside time and therefore has always existed!?

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Your faith is well known Sludge, along with the god who sends you to spam discussions like this. Also, it can't stand up to any robust testing, which is why all you are left with are insults for those who would dare to disagree.

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The Devil is my God ?

Cripes I am done for !

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I was referring to the global population and not just the UK but thanks for your civil reply. You are easy to communicate with, always polite and I respect your point of view even though I see all religions as man-made and lacking in any real evidence of their veracity.
Enjoy your day, Gofer.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The Devil is my God ?

Cripes I am done for !

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On the plus side you won’t spend eternity with Truthpaste.

:hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

On the plus side you won’t spend eternity with Truthpaste.

:hehe:

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He will find a way to torment me

I am doomed

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The Devil is my God ?

Cripes I am done for !

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Ten words that are 100% true.

Date, time and place noted :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Now where did these aliens originate from, and should you suppose they have been seeded by other aliens and so on and so on, then do you see that at some point you require an originator that is outside time and therefore has always existed!?

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No. WE are the originator. It goes back to my point about a collective consciousness where we have always existed.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

On the plus side you won’t spend eternity with Truthpaste.

:hehe:

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That is a positive.:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Ten words that are 100% true.

Date, time and place noted :thumbup:

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What happens if you drop dead next Tuesday?

Which is perfectly possible

How will you contact me ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

What happens if you drop dead next Tuesday?

Which is perfectly possible

How will you contact me ?

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1. I've already given you all the information you need to make the same journey as many skeptics have, including this cold case detective and a journalist who present the evidence using nothing but scientific evidence.

2. God uses people, dreams and angels to get his message across; you have no idea how He would continue to give you future information and opportunities after the individuals talking to you now pass away, lose contact with you or simply ignore you.

3. What if you had dropped dead at midnight, do you know for certain where you would be now?