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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
You seem a good guy Pearcey but what has the last 70 years got to do with it.
The context of the club is that it was on an upward curve since Warnock took over 3 years ago.
Last season was obviously different considering our opposition yet we were in with a chance of staying up almost until the end.
Comparatively we have spent buckets of money since the year we went up and it's like we've thrown it down the drain on purpose in order to remain "plucky underdogs" and to "hang on to coattails"!
Good post TLG by the way. Yes I will agree with those who protest that Fulham were boring. Parker definitely got it wrong playing Harry Arter and Harrison Reed last night.
Arter is limited at best and I was struggling to see how the position he was continually taking up in like a left sided central defensive midfield area was in anyway effective!
Even it was on our left where Murphy was it would be a bit more understandable but we don't create anything there and playing Johansen and pushing him further forward would have hurt us more.
All I learned last night was Scott Parkers limitations.
I suppose to give some context to your current position. You are mid table in the Championship. I can recall days back in the 90’s when you were in the fourth division being watched by 3000 or 4000. Things could be a lot worse.
Oh and I’ve just seen my lot torn apart by a Charlton side whose fans were protesting not very long ago. Now they are second in the Championship.
Football is all about ups and downs for clubs like Cardiff, Reading and Charlton. We have our good times and bad times and are not like the Liverpool’s of this world who always expect to win. I went to our game today confident we would win but in the end we were humbled. That’s how it is and I wouldn’t change it.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
I suppose to give some context to your current position. You are mid table in the Championship. I can recall days back in the 90’s when you were in the fourth division being watched by 3000 or 4000. Things could be a lot worse.
Oh and I’ve just seen my lot torn apart by a Charlton side whose fans were protesting not very long ago. Now they are second in the Championship.
Football is all about ups and downs for clubs like Cardiff, Reading and Charlton. We have our good times and bad times and are not like the Liverpool’s of this world who always expect to win. I went to our game today confident we would win but in the end we were humbled. That’s how it is and I wouldn’t change it.
Well said Pearcy just make the most of being able to see our teams :thumbup:
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
I suppose to give some context to your current position. You are mid table in the Championship. I can recall days back in the 90’s when you were in the fourth division being watched by 3000 or 4000. Things could be a lot worse.
Oh and I’ve just seen my lot torn apart by a Charlton side whose fans were protesting not very long ago. Now they are second in the Championship.
Football is all about ups and downs for clubs like Cardiff, Reading and Charlton. We have our good times and bad times and are not like the Liverpool’s of this world who always expect to win. I went to our game today confident we would win but in the end we were humbled. That’s how it is and I wouldn’t change it.
That’s all nice and nostalgic but has absolutely no relevance to our current position.
We’ve come a long way since the 90s, it’s the best part of 30 years ago, several lifetimes in football years, so shall we be grateful for whatever dross is served up almost 3 decades later because we used to be shit?
Absolute poppycock.
We have been a Championship team, or higher, for 17 seasons. We’ve been to 2 major finals and we’ve challenged for promotion to the Premier League, or got promoted to and played in the PL, for the best part of the last decade.
Who gives a shit that we used to be crap for parts of the 90s? I was there, it was more fun for what went on off the pitch rather than the game itself, but that doesn’t mean 25 years later we shouldn’t have ambition.
We didn’t spend 60 million in 2 years in the 90s and it didn’t used to cost the best part of £100 for a man to take his family to the game.
Ironically, there were a couple of teams in the 90s - the promotion winning teams of 93 and 99 - who played better football than we are currently getting.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
I suppose to give some context to your current position. You are mid table in the Championship. I can recall days back in the 90’s when you were in the fourth division being watched by 3000 or 4000. Things could be a lot worse.
Oh and I’ve just seen my lot torn apart by a Charlton side whose fans were protesting not very long ago. Now they are second in the Championship.
Football is all about ups and downs for clubs like Cardiff, Reading and Charlton. We have our good times and bad times and are not like the Liverpool’s of this world who always expect to win. I went to our game today confident we would win but in the end we were humbled. That’s how it is and I wouldn’t change it.
Those days were almost 30 years ago mate, they bear no relevance on the current state of the club.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
But, but, but, look how much Fulham have spent!!
That's another one that has no relevance. I could say that Swansea have sold last seasons top goalscorer and there bright young thing, Dan James and look how they're playing, but i wouldn't say that. :hehe:
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I’m not saying Cardiff shouldn’t have ambition but just because you want your team to be successful doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Reading have been in the top flight for three seasons in recent times. So what? We too have spent a fortune on players. Again so what? Lots of clubs have spent tens of millions on players but that does not guarantee success. Just look at Bolton FFS.
The past dozen or so years have been the golden era for my club. I know Cardiff were previously in the top flight before I was born but you have never consistently been a top flight team in the past. Your recent years have been right up there with the most successful in your history. There are no guarantees though.
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if you ever feel wound up by him take a step back and remember he's a grown man for whom, going by the amount of posts he makes, the main joy of his life is having multiple accounts on a football messageboard and be thankful that that is not you :hehe:
:hehe: Funnily enough, I don't get wound up by him in the slightest.
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Tuerto
That's another one that has no relevance. I could say that Swansea have sold last seasons top goalscorer and there bright young thing, Dan James and look how they're playing, but i wouldn't say that. :hehe:
People use it when we are not even playing them?!?!?
I even read it after our defeat to Wigan on the opening. “Look how much Fulham have spent and they lost to Barnsley”
Ah that’s ok then. That makes the shit show against Wigan easier to stomach.
Ironically, the same people are not so quick to bring up how much have spent when are playing the likes if Wigan, Reading or Blackburn and not getting results.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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J R Hartley
People use it when we are not even playing them?!?!?
I even read it after our defeat to Wigan on the opening. “Look how much Fulham have spent and they lost to Barnsley”
Ah that’s ok then. That makes the shit show against Wigan easier to stomach.
Ironically, the same people are not so quick to bring up how much have spent when are playing the likes if Wigan, Reading or Blackburn and not getting results.
It's the logic of a child. If i did something wrong as a kid then i'd bring something up my sister had done previously, even though me getting caught for shoplifting had absolutely nothing to do with her :hehe: I wonder if these people apply the same logic in everyday life.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
I’m not saying Cardiff shouldn’t have ambition but just because you want your team to be successful doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Reading have been in the top flight for three seasons in recent times. So what? We too have spent a fortune on players. Again so what? Lots of clubs have spent tens of millions on players but that does not guarantee success. Just look at Bolton FFS.
The past dozen or so years have been the golden era for my club. I know Cardiff were previously in the top flight before I was born but you have never consistently been a top flight team in the past. Your recent years have been right up there with the most successful in your history. There are no guarantees though.
I was there in the dungeon days and the football was garbage. I honestly don't know what you're advocating though?
It's a football forum. I see many flaws in our approach as a club which other forward thinking clubs have addressed.
Like I've said recently on this forum we could hardly complain about the approach the club or manager took 2 years ago when we got promoted cos there was an entirely different context.
After going up we were supposed to be following the Burnley model and if we did get relegated the we'd be in a far stronger position to go again.
One year ago we were told that the club weren't prepared for the transfer window before our premier league campaign with the implication that this wouldn't happen again.
This hasn't only happened again but we've undoubtedly performed worse in the transfer market than the year we "weren't prepared".
Aren't we entitled to ask questions?
Should we just blindly support the club like DML1954?
The football is dull and turgid. The lack of structure and planning is painful and as a club I believe we're open to abuse by those who are in positions of power.
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thehumblegringo
I was there in the dungeon days and the football was garbage. I honestly don't know what you're advocating though?
It's a football forum. I see many flaws in our approach as a club which other forward thinking clubs have addressed.
Like I've said recently on this forum we could hardly complain about the approach the club or manager took 2 years ago when we got promoted cos there was an entirely different context.
After going up we were supposed to be following the Burnley model and if we did get relegated the we'd be in a far stronger position to go again.
One year ago we were told that the club weren't prepared for the transfer window before our premier league campaign with the implication that this wouldn't happen again.
This hasn't only happened again but we've undoubtedly performed worse in the transfer market than the year we "weren't prepared".
Aren't we entitled to ask questions?
Should we just blindly support the club like DML1954?
The football is dull and turgid. The lack of structure and planning is painful and as a club I believe we're open to abuse by those who are in positions of power.
Again I can only repeat it’s still bloody August. Isn’t a bit early in the season for all this? What happens if you now go on a good run?
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
Again I can only repeat it’s still bloody August. Isn’t a bit early in the season for all this? What happens if you now go on a good run?
It's not the point.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
Again I can only repeat it’s still bloody August. Isn’t a bit early in the season for all this? What happens if you now go on a good run?
Not really, Warnock's football is actually getting worse. You know that it's shite, you're just being nice.
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Tuerto
Not really, Warnock's football is actually getting worse. You know that it's shite, you're just being nice.
Was it shite when you won promotion? It was shite against us.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
Was it shite when you won promotion? It was shite against us.
Stop spoiling everybody’s fun Pearcey.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
Was it shite when you won promotion? It was shite against us.
Up until the end of october of the promotion season it was decent. fast flowing, direct but with purpose and controlled aggression. After that it got worse and has been pretty much shite since then.
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Tuerto
Up until the end of october of the promotion season it was decent. fast flowing, direct but with purpose and controlled aggression. After that it got worse and has been pretty much shite since then.
There's a bit of a trend here, though.
Lennie Lawrence took over in 2002 and took us on an incredible run, playing great football, just missing out on promotion. We had a great start to 2002/3 which fizzled after Bristol City stuffed us at home. We were lucky to scrape into the playoffs yet got up.
Dave Jones first few seasons saw us play some great football. His last few seasons saw the good football decline.
Malky's first season again saw us play good football, then that disappeared as we won promotion.
It appears that playing good football and winning promotion has not been hand in hand this side of the millennium.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
Was it shite when you won promotion? It was shite against us.
It wasn't great for the most part, but it was certainly better than it is now.
Oddly enough, the sixth game of that season was also against Fulham and also ended 1-1, but that one was at Craven Cottage. The point kept City top of the table. They were still unbeaten and had twice as many points as they do now.
I think there are some key differences between the 2017/18 squad and the current one. For instance, Bamba was a mainstay of that side. He's currently out injured and it has to be doubtful that he will have quite the same influence when he eventually returns. Hoilett started 44 games and scored 9 goals in 2017/18. He now looks like an impact sub at best. Morrison was a commanding presence at the back. He looks far less steady this season. Manga was a regular in defence. He's gone and his pace is being missed. Zohore was in and out of form, but usually looked more of a handful for Championship defences than Glatzel does. Brayson and Gunnarsson both looked more useful in midfield than Bacuna generally does.
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The Lone Gunman
Brayson and Gunnarsson both looked more useful in midfield than Bacuna generally does.
Thought he retired some years ago? Good player, but not a centre midfielder :hide:
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Eric the Half a Bee
Thought he retired some years ago? Good player, but not a centre midfielder :hide:
Brayson, Bryson, both short, same difference.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Eric the Half a Bee
There's a bit of a trend here, though.
Lennie Lawrence took over in 2002 and took us on an incredible run, playing great football, just missing out on promotion. We had a great start to 2002/3 which fizzled after Bristol City stuffed us at home. We were lucky to scrape into the playoffs yet got up.
Dave Jones first few seasons saw us play some great football. His last few seasons saw the good football decline.
Malky's first season again saw us play good football, then that disappeared as we won promotion.
It appears that playing good football and winning promotion has not been hand in hand this side of the millennium.
Nah, I’m not having that. Even in Jones last season we still played more attractive football than it ever got under Malky.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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J R Hartley
Nah, I’m not having that. Even in Jones last season we still played more attractive football than it ever got under Malky.
Really? After the Jacks gave us a football lesson we were pretty abysmal, grinding out the odd result and winning 3 out of 12. Most of the rest of the season was rubbish with us going long ball because we had no centre midfield. Craig Bellamy arguably dragged us into the playoffs and once he was injured, we were toast. One of the best squads ever but most of the football that season was dreadful.
Malky's first season saw us play some good stuff. We lost the soft underbelly in midfield and were more capable of holding onto a lead. Malky's second season was dire.
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J R Hartley
Nah, I’m not having that. Even in Jones last season we still played more attractive football than it ever got under Malky.
There were some great games during Mackay's first season, but many people seem to have erased them from their memories.
Examples: Cardiff 3 Bristol City 1, Peterborough 4 Cardiff 3, Derby 0 Cardiff 3, Cardiff 3 Portsmouth 2, Brighton 2 Cardiff 2. The team played some really good stuff that season, including a 1-1 draw at Blackpool that was a brilliant game.
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The Lone Gunman
There were some great games during Mackay's first season, but many people seem to have erased them from their memories.
Examples: Cardiff 3 Bristol City 1, Peterborough 4 Cardiff 3, Derby 0 Cardiff 3, Cardiff 3 Portsmouth 2, Brighton 2 Cardiff 2. The team played some really good stuff that season, including a 1-1 draw at Blackpool that was a brilliant game.
I recently watched some highlights of the league cup semi final against Palace. We absolutely roasted them home and away and it was a freak that it went to penalties. Those performances had an incredible energy to them. We could have scored 4 in the second leg and that wouldn't have been an injustice.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Pearcey3
Again I can only repeat it’s still bloody August. Isn’t a bit early in the season for all this? What happens if you now go on a good run?
Stop being reasonable Pearcey, you know we don't do that here
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Great to see Pearcey talking some sense.
Even better seeing some Cardiff fans showing some loyalty and appreciation of our great club.
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Pearcey3
Again I can only repeat it’s still bloody August. Isn’t a bit early in the season for all this? What happens if you now go on a good run?
It'll happen in spite of what is going on at the club rather than because of it. I think if I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that there is a degree of fickleness behind my current view of Neil Warnock and the football we play because I'm much more willing to be critical of him and it than I once was. However, the line that you weren't complaining when you were promoted in 17/18 does not wash with me because of what has happened in the interim.
Generally speaking, supporters look to the future optimistically. As gringo alluded to, the summer of 2018 saw manager and money men at Cardiff talking about the Burnley example and there was a definite impression given that our transfer dealings were conducted with one eye on Championship football if we get relegated - loaning Bobby Decordova-Reid out last month to what we thought would be a promotion rival blew that one out of the water.
You saw how bad we were when we played you. That was a season worst performance so far from us, but the worrying thing is that it wasn't so much worse than what we've seen in every other match so far. Friday was a little better because we looked more like a Warnock team in terms of defensive structure and organisation, but, rather than relying on a way of playing to come up with the quality needed to open up defences, we are more dependant on moments of individual brilliance from the three or four "flair" players our manager permits us to field and over last season and this, they have not been doing that often enough.
That could be understood last season because of the jump in standards, but the trend has continued this season - our flair players who are still at the club from two seasons ago are generally not as effective as they were or the replacements brought in are not good and/or consistent enough to maintain previous standards. This is one of the reasons why there is a pretty widespread feeling around that we are becoming ever more Warnock like in our style in terms of attitude and approach to matches.
We go into nearly all of the games we play in "plucky little Cardiff City" mode willing, I sometimes think hoping, to have considerably less than fifty per cent of the ball and looking to capitalise on opposition mistakes - when something happens like Arter's sending off and we are forced to come out and play more, our limitations are clear for all to see,
I've been surprised at the level of criticism there has been of "Warnockball" given that the season has only just started, but I can only think that many people share my feeling that we should be so much better than what we have seen so far. We have advantages over so many of our rivals in this league in that we are getting what I feel are very generous parachute payments, we averaged 31,000 plus last season and have just under twenty thousand season ticket holders this year. We're better off financially than we were in 17/18 with a bigger level of support and yet on the field we're going backwards on the field in terms of entertainment value, level of performance and results with the concern being that those parachute payments will soon run out and there is no way we'll retain the current level of support if we spend this season in our current position playing a brand of football that has absolutely nothign going for it unless we're winning.
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Paul. I get that and what others have been saying too. However for Burnley read Charlton, Swansea and to a lesser extent Reading. Teams of that size rarely survive in the top flight for more than a few seasons and I would expect Burnley to go down again over the next two or three seasons. I don’t know of any model that works long term for clubs outside of the big guns.
You were very poor against us and the excessive use of long throw ins to our box showed a lack of imagination. Also allowing Reid to go to Fulham was an absolute shocker. You have made a number of signings though and have a number of key players out injured. Overall I don’t think your squad is too far away at all.
Now if that’s not enough because the type of football you play is ugly then the level of dissatisfaction is going to increase because Warnock isn’t going to change. If you remain mid table all season then I suspect he will eventually go towards the back end of the season. However if you start going on a run then I am absolutely certain the complaints will disappear and talk will focus on promotion.
The point I’m making is the complaints on here have started very early on. We all know that at this stage in the season a team can move up or down the League very quickly. Two or three good results will push a team into the top six. New players need time to bed in. Yesterday I saw Puscas have an absolute stinker. He was terrific against Cardiff. It’s how it is in August. He is getting used to the Championship.
This is my last comment on this. I’m not a Cardiff fan so am perhaps intruding too much. From the outside though I really don’t think it’s that bad for the club. The season has only just started.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Eric the Half a Bee
Really? After the Jacks gave us a football lesson we were pretty abysmal, grinding out the odd result and winning 3 out of 12. Most of the rest of the season was rubbish with us going long ball because we had no centre midfield. Craig Bellamy arguably dragged us into the playoffs and once he was injured, we were toast. One of the best squads ever but most of the football that season was dreadful.
Malky's first season saw us play some good stuff. We lost the soft underbelly in midfield and were more capable of holding onto a lead. Malky's second season was dire.
Yes, really, we scored 10 more goals in Jones last season than we did in Malkys first for starters.
The 4-0 drubbing of Leeds at Elland Rd in Jones last season was scintillating and probably defined Jones football at its very best.
How anyone can say Malkys football in his first season was better than Jones last 2 seasons is beyond me.
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The Lone Gunman
There were some great games during Mackay's first season, but many people seem to have erased them from their memories.
Examples: Cardiff 3 Bristol City 1, Peterborough 4 Cardiff 3, Derby 0 Cardiff 3, Cardiff 3 Portsmouth 2, Brighton 2 Cardiff 2. The team played some really good stuff that season, including a 1-1 draw at Blackpool that was a brilliant game.
We can all point to individual matches when we played some decent football to back up our argument.
In 2009/10 when Jones football was apparently in decline according to Eric we walloped Bristol City 3-0 at home and 6-0 away.
We even played some decent stuff under Warnock in certain individual matches. Slade too. Trollope not so.
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During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."
Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."
The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.
Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.
After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.
The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.
Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.
Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.
Have to agree with everything here , it’s exactly the way I saw it , I said the same on the opening day at Wigan after we went one nil up nothing has changed since. Dire to watch. And Some people have said that was our best performance this season
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J R Hartley
We can all point to individual matches when we played some decent football to back up our argument.
In 2009/10 when Jones football was apparently in decline according to Eric we walloped Bristol City 3-0 at home and 6-0 away.
We even played some decent stuff under Warnock in certain individual matches. Slade too. Trollope not so.
I very much enjoyed Mackay's first season, which proved to be my last as a full-time supporter. The team ran out of steam a little in the final third of the campaign, which was understandable given the size of the squad and the Carling Cup run, but they played some really good stuff before that and were involved in some excellent games. Mackay himself was also a breath of fresh air following on from Jones and his gloomy demeanour.
I'm not accusing you of this specifically, but a lot of people seem to want to rewrite history and ignore how popular Mackay was during his first season here (and his second for that matter), and they also want to forget how well his team played on a seriously constricted budget in 2011/12.
I wonder if Warnock's tenure will ever be tainted in the same way as Mackay's should Tan sack him and start publicly moaning about the millions he's spent? From a distance, some of the deals Warnock has conducted look a lot more suspect than anything Mackay ever did, but Tan hasn't said a word about any of them. Yet.....
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
The title of this thread by TLG is "a dreadful team to watch"
My advice to TLG is as watching Cardiff is upsetting you so much then don"t watch them.
I think that that way you will be much happier :thumbup:
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Hometown Unicorn!
I couldn't agree more. Forget playing styles and philosophies, we are just very poor at the moment and terrible value for the ticket price.
I'm not someone who thinks all football should be played beautifully or 'tiki-taka' is the be all and end all but we don't even have the ability at the moment to pass the ball 5/10 yards to feet, switch play, vary set pieces, attack with purpose or even control the ball.
Where has the spark gone? Where is the intensity? Why aren't the players taking responsibility on the pitch to use the ball rather than continuously flick it on or turn it round the corner like it's made of anthrax? The amount of times we tried to force it down the left hand side when players were marked and the space had been cut off, rather than switch play and move Fulham about, was mind boggling.
I even think Warnock has lost his spark, he looks very flat to me. Maybe last season and the Sala tragedy has taken it's toll on him. I am hugely thankful for what he has done for the club, he's been incredible but I think maybe it's a season too many? I won't call for his head but we need a dramatic change otherwise this is going to be a long tough season.
I thought Fulham were actually pretty poor last night too, they passed it and passed it without any pace and to me didn't look that dangerous. They are still quite shaky at the back too, so why the game plan was to sit back and try and hit the on the break at home was baffling. Especially after the 1st 20 mins when the players could have seen that they were there for the taking.
Oh well, hopefully the international break will give them a bit of time to re-group and change the approach even if it just makes us more enjoyable to watch.
Yea I think this too. Warlock has definitely lost his spark and I can’t see him being around much longer
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headlight
The title of this thread by TLG is "a dreadful team to watch"
My advice to TLG is as watching Cardiff is upsetting you so much then don"t watch them.
I think that that way you will be much happier
It doesn't upset me at all, not in the slightest, but thanks for your advice all the same.
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Ironically when I think of Dave Jones I remember the type of football that a lot of Warnock supporters imagine we play under him.
We certainly weren't possession based, our full backs were defenders and we go the ball forward quickly to Bothroyd who brought our wingers into the game.
I felt we never really got the midfield balance right apart from the the short spell when Routledge was on loan and we were far too reliant on Bothroyd, to the point that if he wasn't playing or couldn't be bothered we were awful.
However when Bothroyd was on it some of our attacking play was superb.
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The title of this thread by TLG is "a dreadful team to watch"
My advice to TLG is as watching Cardiff is upsetting you so much then don"t watch them.
I think that that way you will be much happier :thumbup:
It obviously doesn't upset him im sure hes enjoying seeing us struggle. If wed played brilliant football theres no way hed post a thread saying a great team to watch.😂
Ex fans are always the worse to criticise.
Saying that most of his op is correct and we are dreaful to watch at the moment. BUT i still enjoyed it more than the live stuff that was on yesterday.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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Hilts
Saying that most of his op is correct and we are dreaful to watch at the moment. BUT i still enjoyed it more than the live stuff that was on yesterday.
Did you watch any of the Bristol City v Boro game? I had it on in the background, I wasn't glued to it as such, but from what I saw it was a far more entertaining game than Friday night's offering. Really open, loads of chances and some decent football. Same result, score draw, totally different way of achieving it on the part of both sides.
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Re: A dreadful team to watch
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The Lone Gunman
I very much enjoyed Mackay's first season, which proved to be my last as a full-time supporter. The team ran out of steam a little in the final third of the campaign, which was understandable given the size of the squad and the Carling Cup run, but they played some really good stuff before that and were involved in some excellent games. Mackay himself was also a breath of fresh air following on from Jones and his gloomy demeanour.
I'm not accusing you of this specifically, but a lot of people seem to want to rewrite history and ignore how popular Mackay was during his first season here (and his second for that matter), and they also want to forget how well his team played on a seriously constricted budget in 2011/12.
I wonder if Warnock's tenure will ever be tainted in the same way as Mackay's should Tan sack him and start publicly moaning about the millions he's spent? From a distance, some of the deals Warnock has conducted look a lot more suspect than anything Mackay ever did, but Tan hasn't said a word about any of them. Yet.....
Each to their own, I can only comment on my thoughts and what I enjoy as good football.
Ironically some of the best football i seen us play under Jones was the first half of a 2-0 home defeat to Ipswich in his last season. The game where Jimmy Bullard scored 2 in a smash and grab. How we didn’t score 5 before half time I don’t know.
I found myself bored rigid at times under Malkys tenure and was critical of the style of play long before his very public spat with Tan.
I will concede the football was better in his first season than his second when he won promotion, I think this was due to him having a more forward thinking Peter Whittingham before he ruined him, but I still don’t think it was ever as good (over the course of a season) as either of Jones last 2 seasons.
Malky kept moving Whitts further back to almost the quarter back position and that was the decline in the good football for me.
Personally, I didn’t care for Jones demeanour, as long as the team played decent stuff I couldn’t care less that he was miserable and prickly off the pitch.
I thought Malkys fist pump was insincere and never bought into it. In the same way I don’t buy into it with Warnock. It hasn’t gone unnoticed he (Warnock) is always quick to praise the fans rather than answer the question asked about a poor performance.