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Re: Morrissey cancels tour over racism issues
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Croesy Blue
Conspiracy theorist are always right because even if you disprove them your source will be part of the “agenda”. You can never win against them and that’s why a lot of underachievers latch onto buzzard conspiracies because it gives them a feeling of superiority over everyone who doesn’t believe them:
The strange thing is there are genuine conpiracies with brexit, the links between Aaron Banks and Russian money have already been outed. Alas the conspiracy theorist isn’t interested in the ones that have actual evidence or don’t support their narrow world view.
Put 'em on ignore, I've recently done that and it improves things no end on here.
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Croesy Blue
The strange thing is there are genuine conpiracies with brexit, the links between Aaron Banks and Russian money have already been outed. Alas the conspiracy theorist isn’t interested in the ones that have actual evidence or don’t support their narrow world view.
Maybe you can give me the lowdown on what is really going on then, with veritable sources of evidence. I've observed Banks being under constant attack on Twitter, and he swats away his accusers like flies. Am I missing something? Please expose the real truth of the matter ..
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lardy
Put 'em on ignore, I've recently done that and it improves things no end on here.
I have, genuinely improves the discussions no end.
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Baker
He's not supporting Tommy Robinson's views, he's opposing the way in which jailing Tommy Robinson goes against free speech.
Jailing Tommy Smith is not an attack on free speech. It's a way of stopping the cretin ruining a trial and seeing the alleged perpetrators walk away scot free because he's jeopardised the procedure.
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Badly Ironed Shirt
Jailing Tommy Smith is not an attack on free speech. It's a way of stopping the cretin ruining a trial and seeing the alleged perpetrators walk away scot free because he's jeopardised the procedure.
Tommy Smith is too beautiful to go to jail, they'll ruin him.
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NYCBlue
Fair enough.
If there ever were to be a Smiths reunion, Mike Joyce won't be a part of it.
Definitely not. Moz & Marr met up in 2008 in a pub and discussed it. Marr was well up for it (this is his own words from his book) and Moz was pretty open to it too. But the latter went quiet. I think if it wasn't for Joyce the Smiths would be up and running again for a while now
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I hope not. The only thing worse than staying in the EU would be a Smiths reunion!
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Wales-Bales
I hope not. The only thing worse than staying in the EU would be a Smiths reunion!
I appears as though you never leave the house. I'm not sure leaving the EU is going to impact on you too much.
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Heisenberg
I appears as though you never leave the house. I'm not sure leaving the EU is going to impact on you too much.
You should get a smartphone mate. They are really good and you can use them anywhere :thumbup:
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There won't be a reunion now, Morrissey is done. He's always liked the smell of his own farts but he's completely lost it now.
http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/m...d-tour-2348776
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Morrissey has made headlines by comparing Halal meat and ISIS. He also referred to Hitler as ‘left wing’ and said that London Mayor Sadiq Khan “can not talk properly”. He later issued a new statement in which he said he “despised racism and racism” and voiced his support for Muslims… before bigging up For Britain again. The guy, if you’ll excuse the language, is a f***head.
Marr distancing himself from his remarks here too:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ckets-14825864
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Why would anyone leave the house when there are real albanian mafia rapists on the lose?
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Well **** me this thread has become a cesspit of brexit propaganda hasn't it.
As long as we all agree he isn't racist x
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Baker
Well **** me this thread has become a cesspit of brexit propaganda hasn't it.
As long as we all agree he isn't racist x
If you have a different opinion, apparently you are highly likely to be a xenophobic, bigoted, nazi, racist, conspiracy theorist.
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Baker
Well **** me this thread has become a cesspit of brexit propaganda hasn't it.
As long as we all agree he isn't racist x
Morrissey is a big ol' racist.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Morrissey is a big ol' racist.
Nah.
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I can’t imagine being such a fan of someone I’d overlook them being a racist. Fair enough enjoying the music like but you can’t read what he’s written and not think he is.
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Croesy Blue
I can’t imagine being such a fan of someone I’d overlook them being a racist. Fair enough enjoying the music like but you can’t read what he’s written and not think he is.
No, he's a patriot and how dare you play the xenophobic, bigoted, nazi, racist, conspiracy theorist card.
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Eric the Half a Bee
No, he's a patriot and how dare you play the xenophobic, bigoted, nazi, racist, conspiracy theorist card.
As a matter of interest, how would you go about proving this accusation in court if Mozza hypothetically dropped some legal papers through your letter box.
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Wales-Bales
As a matter of interest, how would you go about proving this accusation in court if Mozza hypothetically dropped some legal papers through your letter box.
That you're a patriot?
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Eric the Half a Bee
That you're a patriot?
The Morrissey is a racist accusation being pushed by a number of people on here.
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Baker
:hehe:
Each to their own.
If you can bother to listen to Ian Hunters catalogue,he has covered every topic
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What is a hate crime in the UK?
Hate crime constitutes a criminal offence directed at individuals or groups because of their disability, race or ethnicity, religion or belief, sexual orientation or transgender identity.
Watch your p's and q's, boys, because there's always someone itching to be offended, there's also those goody-two-shoes who love to be offended on behalf of someone else.
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jamieccfc
WTF happened here
Nothing happened, we are talking hypotheticals here. I'm just trying to understand the processes involved, when somehow supporting an entirely legal political party suddenly turns you into a racist. Also how a bit of chatter on the internet quickly turns into fact, which is then freely dispenced far and wide. It is an interesting phenomenon, and it does seem a bit libellous unless I am missing something. That's why I am asking how would somebody go about proving in court that Morrissey is in fact a racist? Off the top of my head, I can see potential harm caused from damage to reputation and loss of earnings.
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Wales-Bales
Nothing happened, we are talking hypotheticals here. I'm just trying to understand the processes involved, when somehow supporting an entirely legal political party suddenly turns you into a racist. Also how a bit of chatter on the internet quickly turns into fact, which is then freely dispenced far and wide. It is an interesting phenomenon, and it does seem a bit libellous unless I am missing something. That's why I am asking how would somebody go about proving in court that Morrissey is in fact a racist? Off the top of my head, I can see potential harm caused from damage to reputation and loss of earnings.
If only there were "entirely legal" political parties throughout history with right wing, racist ideologies that we could use to compare the situation...
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Organ Morgan.
What is a hate crime in the UK?
Hate crime constitutes a criminal offence directed at individuals or groups because of their disability, race or ethnicity, religion or belief, sexual orientation or transgender identity.
Watch your p's and q's, boys, because there's always someone itching to be offended, there's also those goody-two-shoes who love to be offended on behalf of someone else.
Weird how stuff like this about faux outrage only gets trotted out when people are rightly slagging off bigots. Yet there are 2 threads this morning crying about the name of a bridge and a radio phone in about england.
People aren't getting offended for others they are rightly calling out backwards idiots who deserve to be called out.
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Heisenberg
If only there were "entirely legal" political parties throughout history with right wing, racist ideologies that we could use to compare the situation...
:hehe: it's funny how everything seems to be fine as long as it's legal, most stuff going on with Mexican children at the moment is legal as was most of the horrific things that went on in Germant in the 30s and 40s.
I don't know why anyone is discussing libel and "facts" when everything he's being called out for was written on Morrissey's own website by the man himself.
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The legal definition of those protected from hate crimes in the UK is a broad one by anyone's standards other than, perhaps, those who dislike broad definitions, maybe due to their 'religion or belief,' that is. In reality it's a catch-all piece of legislation designed that way to make people fearful of expressing an opinion contrary to prevailing attitudes.
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Organ Morgan.
The legal definition of those protected from hate crimes in the UK is a broad one by anyone's standards other than, perhaps, those who dislike broad definitions, maybe due to their 'religion or belief,' that is. In reality it's a catch-all piece of legislation designed that way to make people fearful of expressing an opinion contrary to prevailing attitudes.
Of course it's broad. Have a think at what a specific one would look like and how often it would be useless.
You very often express opinions contrary to prevailing attitudes. Are you fearful? Of course you aren't.
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Organ Morgan.
The legal definition of those protected from hate crimes in the UK is a broad one by anyone's standards other than, perhaps, those who dislike broad definitions, maybe due to their 'religion or belief,' that is. In reality it's a catch-all piece of legislation designed that way to make people fearful of expressing an opinion contrary to prevailing attitudes.
Opinion based on facts, even if they are contrary, are fine. Opinions based on prejudice, hatred etc that can be proven as a load of bollocks by facts should not be given an airing.
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I haven't time to check to provide you with a link. But I'm quite sure that if the police receive an official complaint from someone alleging a hate crime has been committed then they are compelled to investigate that complaint.
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Organ Morgan.
I haven't time to check to provide you with a link. But I'm quite sure that if the police receive an official complaint from someone alleging a hate crime has been committed then they are compelled to investigate that complaint.
Are you happy with this? Should we be able to sweep a potential hate crime under the carpet?
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Surely that would be slander?
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Croesy Blue
:hehe: it's funny how everything seems to be fine as long as it's legal, most stuff going on with Mexican children at the moment is legal as was most of the horrific things that went on in Germant in the 30s and 40s.
I don't know why anyone is discussing libel and "facts" when everything he's being called out for was written on Morrissey's own website by the man himself.
I popped over to the website hoping to find a confession, but I just see endless arguments about free speech. So could you point out the incrimnating bit where Morrissey declares that he is a racist.
https://www.morrissey-solo.com
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Is it me, or do most perceived threats against freedom of speech nowadays arise where the speech could be perceived as hateful or racist, and happens against people supposedly "saying it as it is"?
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Eric the Half a Bee
Is it me, or do most perceived threats against freedom of speech nowadays arise where the speech could be perceived as hateful or racist, and happens against people supposedly "saying it as it is"?
It’s mascarades under the guise of wanting freedom of speech, it’s always been a tactic of the far right when it comes to racism. Often under the guise of things being too “politically correct” as well.
Freedom of speech in the U.K. is as free as ever you can call the queen a c*nt, you could call the prune minister a useless tosser and there are no consequences. The only thing you can’t do is be an outright racist, but as long as you aren’t outright with it you can get away with it too.
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Who’s been charged with a hate crime though in the context of this thread? Morrissey hasn’t committed a hate crime, he’s just aired some bigoted views. He’s not been charged with anything, he’s not in trouble with the police, all that’s happened is capitalism at its finest, people don’t like someone’s personality so they don’t buy anything from them.
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ninianclark
"What is a hate crime in the UK?
Hate crime constitutes a criminal offence directed at individuals or groups because of their disability, race or ethnicity, religion or belief, sexual orientation or transgender identity."
That doesnt make much sense - a criminal offence directed at so if someone carries at a criminal offence eg shop lifting, but rather than general shop lifting - the person only targets Chinese supermarkets for example - is that a hate crime ? - as it appears to be given that definition.
Dianne Abbot said "all white people are racist" - is that a hate crime or a racist comment ? - or both
What about a Transexual that only burgles houses where homosexuals live ? - is that a hate crime - seems to be using the definition above.
I would imagine motives come into it as well. Given your examples, if a robber targets Chinese supermarkets out of an irrational dislike of Chinese people, then that's a hate crime. If it's because he doesn't want to pay for his soy sauce, then it's hardly a hate crime. Similarly with the transexual who only burgles homes of homosexuals - surely the tranny is targetting a specific group for a particular reason.
As for Diane Abbott, she'd be best off miles away from public service, but to answer the point, once you start generalising about an entire race/religion etc of people, then you leave yourself open to being called racist. One I hear from time to time is that "all Muslims are terrorists (or rapists)" etc. It's a load of absolute bollocks, but suggesting all implies a feeling of hate towards all people of a particular religion.
Frankie Boyle had it spot on when he was talking about the stereotype in America that black people are thieves. His response was to correctly say that America had stolen all the black people in the first place!