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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
In the middle of a pandemic many people will have a strong preference for using their own car and won’t use buses or trains. The council needs to accept this and not use a public health emergency as an excuse to deter people travelling to the shops by car.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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xsnaggle
sdomeone asked a little while ago what had been done in Castle street.
I was there this morning and the answer is - - - nothing!!
The road has now been closed for 2 weeks and there is nothing happening, no Covered areas, no tents, no marquees, no seats, no tables...... nothing. There is not even any sign of any activity starting, nothing at all.
It becomes more and more clear that the closure of the street was the real aim of the action and the loss of business it causes to the shops in the centre is of no interest to the council. it is driven by dogma and the interest of those on the council not by any care for the community or the livelihood of the traders. They are secondary.
Not quite true I have seen folk sitting and laying on the pavement in those areas , holding thin white carrier bags that are straining to hold their heavy contents ?
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BLUETIT
Unless you’re being ironic, pray tell “how are the people in north Cardiff, Caerphilly or the valleys, supposed to access our wonderful train station, or invisible BUS STATION” ???
Drove from Caerphilly. No traffic, plenty of parking.
Quick detour around the blind institute not a problem.
Everyone friendly and lines easy to follow
When the benches are there to enjoy the city i'll say well done Cardiff Council
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
QUOTE=WJ99mobile;5099548]Drove from Caerphilly. No traffic, plenty of parking.
Quick detour around the blind institute not a problem.
Everyone friendly and lines easy to follow
When the benches are there to enjoy the city i'll say well done Cardiff Council[/QUOTE]
But that’s not accessing the bus (to come) or train station, for an onward journey.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
I'm not quite sure what i think of the road closure or how sustainable it will be in the short term, or long term if the council are preparing us for a complete closure with no plans to open the road back up again. We certainly need much better public transport, cheap, regular and not for profit if CCC are going down this route (excuse pun) or park an ride schemes that offer real value-i'd be all for it then. So, to play devils advocate a little, consider this-Cardiff Castle is one of the most visited tourist attractions in Wales, wouldn't it be progressive for the council to offer tourists who bring in money, a more tranquil surrounding in order to take photos, relax and spend their money directly outside the castle on food, drink and souvenirs? A castle in the middle of a city is very unique although it seems to me that we aren't taking advantage of it in every respect.
Castle ST is shitty, the shops on the front are ugly and disjointed, why not make it an area to be enjoyed and add to the value of the City? I'm pretty sure other Cities would have been all over pedestrianising the area adjacent to the castle in a way to make things more relaxed and in the hope that people with spare cash hang about and buy shit that they don't need and over inflated prices for poor food and drink-we've got to think like a capital City :hehe:
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delmbox
I get your frustration about the access but I really think you need to not let the paint and stuff get to you this much, it's not that bad at all. I can't imagine anyone not going into town because of a couple of wooden huts either
Everyone I've spoken to (about life in general, not about this particular dog's breakfast) would like things to return to some sort of normal as soon as possible. Everyone appreciates it's not going to happen overnight, but every step towards normality is a positive as far as I'm concerned.
However, instead of helping to get the city centre back to normal, the twats at the council seem determined to do the opposite. Road closures, traffic bollards over the shop, crappy paint on the pavements that is completely ignored by the majority of people, wooden cabins which are empty more often than they are manned and people lounging about in hi-viz jackets doing nothing in particular. That's where my bastard council tax is going, apparently.
As you may have guessed, I'm heartily sick of all this bollocks now and walking through the city centre every week day (which I need to do to get home from work) is not helping one iota. **** the council and their 'new normal', the twats. They've put up banners now saying 'Same 'Diff Only Safer.' That just about sums them up. Why they can't just let life gradually return to normal I don't know. They irritate the shit out of me.
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Tuerto
Castle ST is shitty, the shops on the front are ugly and disjointed, why not make it an area to be enjoyed and add to the value of the City?
Perhaps the daft ***** should consider improving the traffic system before they start closing major access roads. Once they've achieved that feat they can start twatting about with tourist attractions.
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The Lone Gunman
Everyone I've spoken to (about life in general, not about this particular dog's breakfast) would like things to return to some sort of normal as soon as possible. Everyone appreciates it's not going to happen overnight, but every step towards normality is a positive as far as I'm concerned.
However, instead of helping to get the city centre back to normal, the twats at the council seem determined to do the opposite. Road closures, traffic bollards over the shop, crappy paint on the pavements that is completely ignored by the majority of people, wooden cabins which are empty more often than they are manned and people lounging about in hi-viz jackets doing nothing in particular. That's where my bastard council tax is going, apparently.
As you may have guessed, I'm heartily sick of all this bollocks now and walking through the city centre every week day (which I need to do to get home from work) is not helping one iota. **** the council and their 'new normal', the twats. They've put up banners now saying 'Same 'Diff Only Safer.' That just about sums them up. Why they can't just let life gradually return to normal I don't know. They irritate the shit out of me.
"the 'Diff". That's up there with "Chippy alley"..
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Tuerto
I'm not quite sure what i think of the road closure or how sustainable it will be in the short term, or long term if the council are preparing us for a complete closure with no plans to open the road back up again. We certainly need much better public transport, cheap, regular and not for profit if CCC are going down this route (excuse pun) or park an ride schemes that offer real value-i'd be all for it then. So, to play devils advocate a little, consider this-Cardiff Castle is one of the most visited tourist attractions in Wales, wouldn't it be progressive for the council to offer tourists who bring in money, a more tranquil surrounding in order to take photos, relax and spend their money directly outside the castle on food, drink and souvenirs? A castle in the middle of a city is very unique although it seems to me that we aren't taking advantage of it in every respect.
Castle ST is shitty, the shops on the front are ugly and disjointed, why not make it an area to be enjoyed and add to the value of the City? I'm pretty sure other Cities would have been all over pedestrianising the area adjacent to the castle in a way to make things more relaxed and in the hope that people with spare cash hang about and buy shit that they don't need and over inflated prices for poor food and drink-we've got to think like a capital City :hehe:
But the council don't give a toss about the shops you mention, nor do they apparently care about the businesses inside them. The bus routes that normally use Castle street are now all over the place, and where one might have been able to get off one bus and get on the next, now that may entail a 5 or 10 minute walk and result in being late for work etc. so people will waste even more of the time travelling to and from work. In addition the buses later in the day are hard to come by for some reason, and they have not increased the service to anywhere near its previous levels, and even then it was less than adequate.
They have been talking about better public transport for donkeys years but have done nothing at all about it.
The attempt to close it permanently is by stealth. for some reason certain factions want it shut and have no regard to the knock on effect that will have for a range of other things, most of which have been mentioned here.
When the pedestrianised St Mary Street there was open revolt in the council because there had been so many objections. The decided to have a vote of no confidence in the chairman of the planning committee. He resigned on the evening before the vote of no confidence. The council then went ahead and implimented all his plans.
That's how much they care.
And now they could put this covered area down the centre of St Mary St where most of the said Cafe's bars and restaurants are but if they did that they would have no excuse to close Castle Street again.
Finally, as I mentioned earlier, the covered area is due to be ready by the end of July and on 03 Aug the same cafes bars and restaurants can welcome customers inside thereby reducing the need for it. Would you rather eat your meal while its hot or have someone carry it god knows how far to get it to you? And if the fabled app they are talking about to order ever works it will be a miracle judging by the other administration inspired apps we have seen (or not seen!)
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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The Lone Gunman
Everyone I've spoken to (about life in general, not about this particular dog's breakfast) would like things to return to some sort of normal as soon as possible. Everyone appreciates it's not going to happen overnight, but every step towards normality is a positive as far as I'm concerned.
However, instead of helping to get the city centre back to normal, the twats at the council seem determined to do the opposite. Road closures, traffic bollards over the shop, crappy paint on the pavements that is completely ignored by the majority of people, wooden cabins which are empty more often than they are manned and people lounging about in hi-viz jackets doing nothing in particular. That's where my bastard council tax is going, apparently.
As you may have guessed, I'm heartily sick of all this bollocks now and walking through the city centre every week day (which I need to do to get home from work) is not helping one iota. **** the council and their 'new normal', the twats. They've put up banners now saying 'Same 'Diff Only Safer.' That just about sums them up. Why they can't just let life gradually return to normal I don't know. They irritate the shit out of me.
that's better
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
The situation with the buses is genuinely disgraceful. Many are now departing from Greyfriars Road but there is no information either in the shelters or on the digital tickers as regards timetables or which bus leaves from which stop. I've seen plenty of people missing buses in recent weeks as a result, most commonly to destinations outside Cardiff such as Newport and Merthyr.
This is a true story: early in the second week after the council had shut Castle Street, I managed to flag down an X8 bus on Greyfriars Road. It hadn't stopped properly on account of the fact that the driver said he didn't know where he was supposed to stop. I asked if he was going to Thornhill or the Bay. He asked me where I wanted to go. I said Thornhill. He said "Well we'll go to Thornhill then."
On the journey he explained that it had been chaos since Castle Street was closed as the lack of notice and communication from the council meant that his office hadn't sorted out a proper new route for the X8 yet (the bus usually goes from Thornhill to the Bay and back via the city centre). Therefore, the drivers didn't really know where they were supposed to be going or when. It was nice to have a private bus ride back to my place, but it just about summed up the situation.
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Re: Cardiff Council are killing the City.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
The situation with the buses is genuinely disgraceful. Many are now departing from Greyfriars Road but there is no information either in the shelters or on the digital tickers as regards timetables or which bus leaves from which stop. I've seen plenty of people missing buses in recent weeks as a result, most commonly to destinations outside Cardiff such as Newport and Merthyr.
This is a true story: early in the second week after the council had shut Castle Street, I managed to flag down an X8 bus on Greyfriars Road. It hadn't stopped properly on account of the fact that the driver said he didn't know where he was supposed to stop. I asked if he was going to Thornhill or the Bay. He asked me where I wanted to go. I said Thornhill. He said "Well we'll go to Thornhill then."
On the journey he explained that it had been chaos since Castle Street was closed as the lack of notice and communication from the council meant that his office hadn't sorted out a proper new route for the X8 yet (the bus usually goes from Thornhill to the Bay and back via the city centre). Therefore, the drivers didn't really know where they were supposed to be going or when. It was nice to have a private bus ride back to my place, but it just about summed up the situation.
You do realise other urban centres like Bristol and Birmingham have had issues with road closures , bus services and the painting of signs to make sure idiotic morons keep their distance
Believe it or not it's not just your council tax in fecking cardiff that is being used in covid measures or not just your bus services that have been affected
Jesus h christ
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You do realise other urban centres like Bristol and Birmingham have had issues with road closures , bus services and the painting of signs to make sure idiotic morons keep their distance
Believe it or not it's not just your council tax in fecking cardiff that is being used in covid measures or not just your bus services that have been affected
Jesus h christ
But I don't give a toss about brizzle or anywhere else. I don't live there, I don't care if they ruin it.
I care about Cardiff because it is my city, my home and I don't like seeing it wasted by the people who are supposed to take care of it.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You do realise other urban centres like Bristol and Birmingham have had issues with road closures , bus services and the painting of signs to make sure idiotic morons keep their distance
Believe it or not it's not just your council tax in fecking cardiff that is being used in covid measures or not just your bus services that have been affected
I couldn't care less about Bristol or Birmingham right now. I live and work in Cardiff. You do neither, so shut the **** up.
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The Lone Gunman
I couldn't care less about Bristol or Birmingham right now. I live and work in Cardiff. You do neither, so shut the **** up.
Back of the net!!!
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The Lone Gunman
I couldn't care less about Bristol or Birmingham right now. I live and work in Cardiff. You do neither, so shut the **** up.
Listen mr stumpy
Did you vote in the last cardiff council elections
I didnt because I dont live there
I reckon you couldnt be arsed , yet like so many people just complain
It doesnt matter where you live , cardiff , bristol , swansea blah blah blah people like you will always find something to moan about
Why dont you learn to drive , you are a big boy now , you could share cars and even go to gigs on your own
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xsnaggle
But I don't give a toss about brizzle or anywhere else. I don't live there, I don't care if they ruin it.
I care about Cardiff because it is my city, my home and I don't like seeing it wasted by the people who are supposed to take care of it.
Vote them out then
I am sure the tories will do a great job
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The stealth closure of castle street is a scandal. I sure I read something about emissions targets ultimately being a driving factor. Never mind the fact that is now even harder to get across the city from west to east.
And on that subject, we’ve only been waiting 30 or so years for them to finish the ring road. We’re overdue another gypsy wedding, about time rover way turned into a car park for a few days.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Vote them out then
I am sure the tories will do a great job
I’m not sure that anyone could really do any worse. Staggering incompetence.
I’d go as far as saying that the LDP, on labours watch, wreaks of brown envelopes and corruption.
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stevebrickman
I’m not sure that anyone could really do any worse. Staggering incompetence.
I’d go as far as saying that the LDP, on labours watch, wreaks of brown envelopes and corruption.
I will put money on it a conservative controlled cardiff council will be a disaster
Although most people wont vote in the council elections so if they do get in and feck things up it will be too late to complain
My council is run by labour and independents , they paint arrows on the pavements too, to make sure people are not coughing and spluttering all over each other . But the same sort of people who were dying for the council to go into lock down are now saying let us do what we want etc etc on the very day the commons health select committee were told by a chief scientist that boris johnson was talking out of his arse when he said we would be over things by xmas
In general councils are taking advice from the scientists , not boris thank feck , just because someone works and lives in a big city does not give them the right to do what they want when we are dealing with a pandemic .
One of the posters on here was proclaiming the end of the world in april now it's all the councils fault .
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stevebrickman
The stealth closure of castle street is a scandal. I sure I read something about emissions targets ultimately being a driving factor. Never mind the fact that is now even harder to get across the city from west to east.
And on that subject, we’ve only been waiting 30 or so years for them to finish the ring road. We’re overdue another gypsy wedding, about time rover way turned into a car park for a few days.
Well the east side of cardiff has always been poorly served , not just by road but rail
its staggering that st mellons , splott , roath , llanederyn, llanrhumney etc are not served by train stations
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well the east side of cardiff has always been poorly served , not just by road but rail
its staggering that st mellons , splott , roath , llanederyn, llanrhumney etc are not served by train stations
There were/are plans for a £1 billion intergrated tram/electric train system for Cardiff. There is about as much chance of that getting off the ground with the intellectual pygmies in the shack down the bay, as there is the M4 relief road happening..
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delmbox
Good.
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delmbox
When the North wind doth blow
And the rain it doth fall
What use is it going to be
F UCK ALL
it’s Cardiff, not St Tropez !!!!
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BLUETIT
When the North wind doth blow
And the rain it doth fall
What use is it going to be
F UCK ALL
it’s Cardiff, not St Tropez !!!!
If it's dry, people will sit outside, if it rains then there's shelter i suppose. I quite like it.
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Tuerto
IF it's dry, people will sit outside, WHEN it rains then there's shelter i suppose. I quite like it.
What about when it’s frigging freezing cold, I suppose they’ll get the “patio fires” out and pollute the atmosphere
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Tuerto
If it's dry, people will sit outside, if it rains then there's shelter i suppose. I quite like it.
Me too, Bluetit just wants a world full of statues where everybody pays for everything in cash, and convenience for cars is everybody's main priority :hehe:
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BLUETIT
What about when it’s frigging freezing cold, I suppose they’ll get the “patio fires” out and pollute the atmosphere
People will sit out if it's cold in my opinion, even if it's for a sandwich, quick coffee etc. The biggest problem in cardiff is the wind and horizontal rain, it's never that cold here.
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Looks lovely but the sideways rain that we get in Cardiff will render those beach umbrellas useless, I expected marquee type covering. What is your food and drink going to look like when the waiters eventually make it to your table? The street will be full of blowing in the wind serviettes and receipts. Had high hopes that it was going to be an undercover situation with the chance of drawing back the covers if we did have some nice weather, they’ve had loads of time to sort it properly instead they nipped up B & Q last night, very disappointing.
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delmbox
Me too, Bluetit just wants a world full of statues where everybody pays for everything in cash, and convenience for cars is everybody's main priority :hehe:
Yeah, he's stuck in 1974 a bit, plenty on here are. How many buses go down that road anyway? It's right in the City Centre, so most people would have to jump on another bus to get across to the west of the City. Bunch on whinging old gits....
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Rob Browne says “The marquees are being set up”, from that photo they certainly aren’t marquees, they’re big beach parasols, in my opinion a marquee is a big frigging tent.
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splott parker
Looks lovely but the sideways rain that we get in Cardiff will render those beach umbrellas useless, I expected marquee type covering. What is your food and drink going to look like when the waiters eventually make it to your table? The street will be full of blowing in the wind serviettes and receipts. Had high hopes that it was going to be an undercover situation with the chance of drawing back the covers if we did have some nice weather, they’ve had loads of time to sort it properly instead they nipped up B & Q last night, very disappointing.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see how it works out. I'm all for reducing traffic in the City Centre. We've also got a big **** off castle that isn't utilised enough in terms of tourism and bringing money into the City.
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Tuerto
Yeah, he's stuck in 1974 a bit, plenty on here are. How many buses go down that road anyway? It's right in the City Centre, so most people would have to jump on another bus to get across to the west of the City. Bunch on whinging old gits....
Ahem! Our City away bus goes from outside the Castle, also in two weeks time the City promotion bus will be dropping the players and Neil Harris off right by there for the speeches etc on the stage set up on the Castle green :hehe::hehe:
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splott parker
Ahem! Our City away bus goes from outside the Castle, also in two weeks time the City promotion bus will be dropping the players and Neil Harris off right by there for the speeches etc on the stage set up on the Castle green :hehe::hehe:
That's why Bluetit is whinging, he'll also have to walk 30 extra yards to get to the Borough.....
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splott parker
Looks lovely but the sideways rain that we get in Cardiff will render those beach umbrellas useless, I expected marquee type covering. What is your food and drink going to look like when the waiters eventually make it to your table? The street will be full of blowing in the wind serviettes and receipts. Had high hopes that it was going to be an undercover situation with the chance of drawing back the covers if we did have some nice weather, they’ve had loads of time to sort it properly instead they nipped up B & Q last night, very disappointing.
I don't disagree with this, I thought myself that it was going to be more covered than it is. But it's not even August and we usually get a decent September so hopefully they'll be useful for the next couple of months. Happy to hope for the best rather than have a meltdown about it anyway (not that you are)
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Tuerto
I suppose we'll have to wait and see how it works out. I'm all for reducing traffic in the City Centre. We've also got a big **** off castle that isn't utilised enough in terms of tourism and bringing money into the City.
Don’t you think though that for the time it’s been shut something a bit more weatherproof could have been erected, I was looking forward to it being a place where you could spend a few hours comfortably warm and dry. Then, if a success, the experiment could have carried on into the Autumn & Winter, as it is even a July day like today wouldn’t be inviting. Speculate to accumulate, they should have spent a few bob more, it would have been worth it. Imagine Christmas time with that 10000 ft tree they spent a fortune on the other year towering over it........turned out it was about six feet six
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splott parker
Looks lovely but the sideways rain that we get in Cardiff will render those beach umbrellas useless, I expected marquee type covering. What is your FOOD and drink going to look like when the waiters eventually make it to your table? The street will be full of blowing in the wind serviettes and receipts. Had high hopes that it was going to be an undercover situation with the chance of drawing back the covers if we did have some nice weather, they’ve had loads of time to sort it properly instead they nipped up B & Q last night, very disappointing.
It won’t reach you, the seagulls will have it :hehe: