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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Can I suggest that you Google Cardiff feeder and see what comes up. I just did and Cardiff parks came up first.....They call it the Feeder Canal...Yes I know people call it 'the feeder' but it is a canal.
Canals don't have to have boats on them. It was built by Bute to move water from the Taff to the docks to manage the water levels in the basins. It used to move about 50million gallons a day.
Yeah OK. you're much cleverer than I. I was speaking from life experience, you are speaking from internet. you are clearly much better informed than I. It's a feeder canal, you're right. Feel better now? :facepalm::facepalm:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Yeah OK. you're much cleverer than I. I was speaking from life experience, you are speaking from internet. you are clearly much better informed than I. It's a feeder canal, you're right. Feel better now? :facepalm::facepalm:
I too was speaking from life experience. My dad, a docks boy, used to swim in it with his mates in the 1920s. He always called it 'the canal'
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
jeez, the things people will argue about on the internet
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
jeez, the things people will argue about on the internet
to be fair there's nothing xsnaggle won't argue with someone about on the internet :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
to be fair there's nothing xsnaggle won't argue with someone about on the internet :hehe:
Oh yes there is!
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Can I suggest that you Google Cardiff feeder and see what comes up. I just did and Cardiff parks came up first.....They call it the Feeder Canal...Yes I know people call it 'the feeder' but it is a canal.
Canals don't have to have boats on them. It was built by Bute to move water from the Taff to the docks to manage the water levels in the basins. It used to move about 50million gallons a day.
I don’t doubt your dictionary definition, you are undoubtedly correct. However, I maintain that what the Council is now calling a canal under Churchill Way has always been known to all ans sundry as the feeder including, up until this proposed scheme, the Council. When I started work for the Council, more years ago than i care to remember, what remained of the Glamorgan Canal within the boundaries of Cardiff was owned by the Council. Expenditure and income for it was accounted for it separately as a “Committee” like Housing, Highways, Education etc, were. It was always referred to as the “Canal” to differentiate it from the feeder. It may seem strange to account separately for a defunct canal that was mostly filled in but there was a significant land holding. In a later existence in the Council I worked in the Parks HQ in Heath Park where the watercourse that comes off the Taff at Blackweir was always called the feeder. There is no doubt that the word canal is more alluring than “Docks Feeder” so it is understandable why the Council would now want to call it something that it wasn’t called before.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
I too was speaking from life experience. My dad, a docks boy, used to swim in it with his mates in the 1920s. He always called it 'the canal'
But you had to google it to see if it is referred to as a canal. OK. you win!
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Oh yes there is!
very good :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But you had to google it to see if it is referred to as a canal. OK. you win!
Not so...I googled it to try to show you some third party evidence as you obviously misunderstood what the definition of a canal is
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Enoch Mort
I don’t doubt your dictionary definition, you are undoubtedly correct. However, I maintain that what the Council is now calling a canal under Churchill Way has always been known to all ans sundry as the feeder including, up until this proposed scheme, the Council. When I started work for the Council, more years ago than i care to remember, what remained of the Glamorgan Canal within the boundaries of Cardiff was owned by the Council. Expenditure and income for it was accounted for it separately as a “Committee” like Housing, Highways, Education etc, were. It was always referred to as the “Canal” to differentiate it from the feeder. It may seem strange to account separately for a defunct canal that was mostly filled in but there was a significant land holding. In a later existence in the Council I worked in the Parks HQ in Heath Park where the watercourse that comes off the Taff at Blackweir was always called the feeder. There is no doubt that the word canal is more alluring than “Docks Feeder” so it is understandable why the Council would now want to call it something that it wasn’t called before.
Yes I know people call it the feeder. This only started because Xsnaggle said it wasn't a canal. The council can call it whatever it likes but on all the maps etc it's listed as the 'feeder canal'. So it's not a new term made up to make the Churchill Way proposal sound more attractive.
Similarly many people call the 'Glamorganshire' canal the Glamorgan canal, but it is what it is.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Enoch Mort
I don’t doubt your dictionary definition, you are undoubtedly correct. However, I maintain that what the Council is now calling a canal under Churchill Way has always been known to all ans sundry as the feeder including, up until this proposed scheme, the Council. When I started work for the Council, more years ago than i care to remember, what remained of the Glamorgan Canal within the boundaries of Cardiff was owned by the Council. Expenditure and income for it was accounted for it separately as a “Committee” like Housing, Highways, Education etc, were. It was always referred to as the “Canal” to differentiate it from the feeder. It may seem strange to account separately for a defunct canal that was mostly filled in but there was a significant land holding. In a later existence in the Council I worked in the Parks HQ in Heath Park where the watercourse that comes off the Taff at Blackweir was always called the feeder. There is no doubt that the word canal is more alluring than “Docks Feeder” so it is understandable why the Council would now want to call it something that it wasn’t called before.
Call it the docks feeder canal !
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Bluebina
Call it the docks feeder canal !
Well Ordinance Survey maps seem to label it "docks feeder canal", so that's good enough for me.
*He said unironically wading into an online argument he had openly mocked people for having a few posts ago.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Yes I know people call it the feeder. This only started because Xsnaggle said it wasn't a canal. The council can call it whatever it likes but on all the maps etc it's listed as the 'feeder canal'. So it's not a new term made up to make the Churchill Way proposal sound more attractive.
Similarly many people call the 'Glamorganshire' canal the Glamorgan canal, but it is what it is.
A quick dip into my collection of maps shows Bacon’s 1910 large scale map of Cardiff (G.W. Bacon & Co Ltd. was a reputable large scale map producer from the 1890s to the 1950s) and the 1922 Ordnance Survey clearly showing “Docks Feeder” so not all maps. Perhaps we will have to agree to differ
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Enoch Mort
A quick dip into my collection of maps shows Bacon’s 1910 large scale map of Cardiff (G.W. Bacon & Co Ltd. was a reputable large scale map producer from the 1890s to the 1950s) and the 1922 Ordnance Survey clearly showing “Docks Feeder” so not all maps. Perhaps we will have to agree to differ
I guess so. Out of interest, as you used to work for the parks Dept, I looked at their website and they correctly call it the Docks Feeder Canal. However their photo of a tree lined section is simply labelled 'the feeder'
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
I guess so. Out of interest, as you used to work for the parks Dept, I looked at their website and they correctly call it the Docks Feeder Canal. However their photo of a tree lined section is simply labelled 'the feeder'
It was some time ago I worked there. As the feeder flows through Public Open Space at Blackweir, Bute Park and at the back of the Castle, whilst not belonging to the Council, it formed part of their consciousness as an attractive interesting historical element of the park land. All the staff referred to it as the feeder and the definitive historian of Cardiff Parks Andrew Alexander Pettigrew 1875 - 1936 referred to it as the feeder as well. An interesting family. His work “The Public Parks and Recreation Grounds of Cardiff” is an authoritative reference source- have a look at the enclosed link which gives details of the Pettigrew dynasty
http://www.cardiffparks.org.uk/pettigrew/index.shtml
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
I've always called it Chippy Canal
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
Who started all this feeder nonsense on here anyway?
Some people will do anything for an argument°
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Who started all this feeder nonsense on here anyway?
Some people will do anything for an argument°
No they won't
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
That's not an argument, that's a contradiction. you know it is.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
That's not an argument, that's a contradiction. you know it is.
I'm sorry is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I'm sorry is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
I've no intention of getting involved in an argument with you about how long an argument should last. Sometimes on here they seem to last for ever, as if someone was feeding them. :shrug:
But as a general rule I believe an argument should only last until I win, and not a moment longer!
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
All this talk about food has made me hungry
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
All this talk about food has made me hungry
Go and have a cold panini in Castle Street
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Go and have a cold panini in Castle Street
Carrying a small generator, topped up with juice, along with a microwave always solves my problems when I dine in the road outside the castle.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Go and have a cold panini in Castle Street
and BLUETIT could film you because apparently he has nothing better to do
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
and BLUETIT could film you because apparently he has nothing better to do
If it is regularly empty now perhaps it needs filming to convince the council that the project has run its course. I walked through town last Saturday at around 2/2.30 pm, it was so nippy that all outside eating/drinking places were nigh on empty. The weather’s not going to improve dramatically now, the Christmas market is ok where it has been for years, Working St area. Open town back up now, perhaps it was ok when the weather was more conducive to walking across town from outlying bus stops, it’s time now for people to be able to reach destinations inside a vehicle.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
If it is regularly empty now perhaps it needs filming to convince the council that the project has run its course. I walked through town last Saturday at around 2/2.30 pm, it was so nippy that all outside eating/drinking places were nigh on empty. The weather’s not going to improve dramatically now, the Christmas market is ok where it has been for years, Working St area. Open town back up now, perhaps it was ok when the weather was more conducive to walking across town from outlying bus stops, it’s time now for people to be able to reach destinations inside a vehicle.
good idea, let's keep the road closed and move the Christmas market there following the tremendous success of the eating area.
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The Council think it's working quite well, but that's only because the traffic levels are nowhere near their normal levels.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
good idea, let's keep the road closed and move the Christmas market there following the tremendous success of the eating area.
The Council aren't gong to open the road any time soon in my opinion, they want it closed for good, anyway. I'm all for it.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
The council have already acknowledged that as the weather has changed the area is now redundant.
But they have already hada meeting to try to find a reasonable excuse to keep the roads closed, including, as previously mentioned, one councilor stating they need the space for somewhere to put the Christmas market. All that will do is ensure that less people visit the market than they do now. But as the councils had effectively stopped people from coming to the city centre to shop anyway, that won't really matter.
I read somewhere that the the effect of the councils actions all over the country was destroying town centre businesses and that now they are having to justify their stupidity to angry citizens, and apparently Cardiff centre is one of the worst affected in the country.
It's time people let their opinions be known about that and about the deplorable state of public transport in the city and the surrounding areas.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
The council have already acknowledged that as the weather has changed the area is now redundant.
But they have already hada meeting to try to find a reasonable excuse to keep the roads closed, including, as previously mentioned, one councilor stating they need the space for somewhere to put the Christmas market. All that will do is ensure that less people visit the market than they do now. But as the councils had effectively stopped people from coming to the city centre to shop anyway, that won't really matter.
I read somewhere that the the effect of the councils actions all over the country was destroying town centre businesses and that now they are having to justify their stupidity to angry citizens, and apparently Cardiff centre is one of the worst affected in the country.
It's time people let their opinions be known about that and about the deplorable state of public transport in the city and the surrounding areas.
What a wonderful place to have the christmas market, right in front of the castle. The only criticism that i can offer is why wasn't this done years ago? Makes complete sense. Maybe the food area can relocate to the original Christmas market area, There's a Panini shop at the front of the queens arcade, so no waiting around.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
What a wonderful place to have the christmas market, right in front of the castle. The only criticism that i can offer is why wasn't this done years ago? Makes complete sense. Maybe the food area can relocate to the original Christmas market area, There's a Panini shop at the front of the queens arcade, so no waiting around.
A wonderful place to have it would be actually in the grounds of the castle, the ‘portcullis’ & ‘drawbridge’ part could be decorated to make an enticing entry. If it was good enough for the military tattoo, It’s a Knockout, Queen & 10cc it’d be marvellous for a Christmas market.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
What a wonderful place to have the christmas market, right in front of the castle. The only criticism that i can offer is why wasn't this done years ago? Makes complete sense. Maybe the food area can relocate to the original Christmas market area, There's a Panini shop at the front of the queens arcade, so no waiting around.
That is exactly where the food place should have been on day 1, I agree with you, it's perfect.
hey wouldn't have had to close Castle Street.
As an edit to this, the panini shop wouldn't be able to use it for their customers if they haven't signed up for the ordering app. You may recall only about 11 businesses did, and if it wasn't one it would be barred, like the vast majority of other food places in the centre.
Nothing like a council that considers everyone is there?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
The council have already acknowledged that as the weather has changed the area is now redundant.
But they have already hada meeting to try to find a reasonable excuse to keep the roads closed, including, as previously mentioned, one councilor stating they need the space for somewhere to put the Christmas market. All that will do is ensure that less people visit the market than they do now. But as the councils had effectively stopped people from coming to the city centre to shop anyway, that won't really matter.
I read somewhere that the the effect of the councils actions all over the country was destroying town centre businesses and that now they are having to justify their stupidity to angry citizens, and apparently Cardiff centre is one of the worst affected in the country.
It's time people let their opinions be known about that and about the deplorable state of public transport in the city and the surrounding areas.
You've been having a moan (rightfully so about public transport - debatable for the other stuff) for months. Why is now the time and not previously? What have you done other than share your gripes about the council on here (where local Govt. legislature and policy very rarely get altered)?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
That is exactly where the food place should have been on day 1, I agree with you, it's perfect.
hey wouldn't have had to close Castle Street.
As an edit to this, the panini shop wouldn't be able to use it for their customers if they haven't signed up for the ordering app. You may recall only about 11 businesses did, and if it wasn't one it would be barred, like the vast majority of other food places in the centre.
Nothing like a council that considers everyone is there?
:hehe: You're taking the piss, right?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
:hehe: You're taking the piss, right?
Why do you think that?
Tell me what you know.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why do you think that?
Tell me what you know.
I only know what you've told me. The council have built an outdoor seating area for restaurants to utilise should they choose to... and that involved them signing up to an app. Many have chosen not to and that's the council's fault, of course :hehe:
You didn't reply to my earlier post.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
Is it correct that if you order from an outlet that’s not on Castle St/Duke St that it’s £4.50 extra to cover delivery?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I only know what you've told me. The council have built an outdoor seating area for restaurants to utilise should they choose to... and that involved them signing up to an app. Many have chosen not to and that's the council's fault, of course :hehe:
You didn't reply to my earlier post.
So I wasn't taking the piss, having the seating area in the Hayes would be no added benefit to the panini shop. Perhaps the traders didn't sign up to the app because the area was miles away from their places of business and the adverse comments on the food sent so far may have outweighed any benefits. Just a thought.
And gladly, I do not have any stricures on when or if I answer you posts, again tf. :hehe:
As an added point it has now been decide that the area is being taken down on Sunday, but the council haven't decided what to do with the street.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
So I wasn't taking the piss, having the seating area in the Hayes would be no added benefit to the panini shop. Perhaps the traders didn't sign up to the app because the area was miles away from their places of business and the adverse comments on the food sent so far may have outweighed any benefits. Just a thought.
And gladly, I do not have any stricures on when or if I answer you posts, again tf. :hehe:
As an added point it has now been decide that the area is being taken down on Sunday, but the council haven't decided what to do with the street.
"Perhaps the traders didn't sign up to the app because the area was miles away from their places of business".
:hehe: You're seriously taking the piss now. "They should all be able to use the seating area. The council doesn't look after everyone", "the seating area is probably miles away". Make your mind up, Snags. You're just arguing with yourself at this point.
You don't have to answer anything... But you've been quick enough to moan about the public transport in Cardiff and the issues with Castle St.. now you're and telling everyone that they now need to be vocal about the issues you've raised.
Because of that, I thought you'd jump at the chance to answer a question about what you've done personally to vocalise your unhappiness with how the council is working (other than moan on here) so we may be able to follow suit.
Guess not.