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Re: WALES v POLAND. Match thread
Feel for Dan. Never nice being the one to miss.
Page should have been braver with the subs. We should have gone for it in extra time.
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Re: WALES v POLAND. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
B. Oddie
Jack bastard.
Not called for.
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Re: WALES v POLAND. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
chris lee
Ah thats a shame, ultimately Ward didn't get close to saving any of the penalties
He didn't, although they were all well struck and well placed.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
bluebirds17
Feel for Dan. Never nice being the one to miss.
Page should have been braver with the subs. We should have gone for it in extra time.
Should have gone for it from the start with pace and movement and not Moore - completely changes the focus of our attack.
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Why did Broadhead come on for Brooks if he wasnt going to take a pen. We had players out on their feet and he takes of a substitute.
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Good effort but Pages subs absolutely bizarre, bring off your most versatile forward leaving Kieffer blowing fumes out there for extra time. Johnson wasn’t even the logical sub, Wilson was poor far before that.
Then whatever the deal with Brooks was, don’t think he ever used all his subs did he? After getting it so right against Finland got it equally wrong tonight.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
I always feel so sorry for the player concerned when they are the only ones to miss in a penalty shoot out - in some ways, it would have been better if we’d have missed three out of the five.
I’m not calling for Page to be sacked because of tonight or anything, but it does seem odd that he only chose to use three subs in a game that lasted two hours and one of those was to replace another sub.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
Ward is a decent keeper.
But Ward had faced 138 penalties in his life and saved none. He is 6 ft 3.
Hennessy is 6 ft 6.
Page should have made a proper call. Knowing Poland’s keeper was good on penalties he could not expect to compete with a keeper with a 0% historic chance of saving, when it was a higher probability that Hennessy could save 1, or even or 2, with his huge reach.
Page made a bad call and it was his call to make.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
Ward hasn’t got near them.
To be fair he didnt have any chance of stopping them. All well taken. Unfortunately 1 of ours wasnt.
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Shame but we need to up things in qualifying and not rely on these favourable draws. You have to be a pretty poor team not to qualify for the euros these days
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I always feel so sorry for the player concerned when they are the only ones to miss in a penalty shoot out - in some ways, it would have been better if we’d have missed three out of the five.
I’m not calling for Page to be sacked because of tonight or anything, but it does seem odd that he only chose to use three subs in a game that lasted two hours and one of those was to replace another sub.
It’s far from the first time Page has forgotten to use his subs in a key situation. Sorry, he’s done a passable job but not the manager to take us forward in my book. How you look at that last performance and decide to do the total opposite a few days later is totally beyond me.
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The frustration is that we defended really well tonight. The subs made no sense and we totally lost our shape.
Brennan Johnson was our best player in the first half so why sub him? Dan James was really playing like a fullback so we didn't have any outlet
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
Ward is a decent keeper.
But Ward had faced 138 penalties in his life and saved none. He is 6 ft 3.
Hennessy is 6 ft 6.
Page should have made a proper call. Knowing Poland’s keeper was good on penalties he could not expect to compete with a keeper with a 0% historic chance of saving, when it was a higher probability that Hennessy could save 1, or even or 2, with his huge reach.
Page made a bad call and it was his call to make.
Is that a made up stat as it sounds unbelievable to me.
Pretty mental if he hasn't managed to save one ever, some penalties are absolutely terrible.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
Ward is a decent keeper.
But Ward had faced 138 penalties in his life and saved none. He is 6 ft 3.
Hennessy is 6 ft 6.
Page should have made a proper call. Knowing Poland’s keeper was good on penalties he could not expect to compete with a keeper with a 0% historic chance of saving, when it was a higher probability that Hennessy could save 1, or even or 2, with his huge reach.
Page made a bad call and it was his call to make.
At least if he’d done that not using all his subs when we were hanging the entire second half of extra time would have been a little more justifiable.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
Ward is a decent keeper.
But Ward had faced 138 penalties in his life and saved none. He is 6 ft 3.
Hennessy is 6 ft 6.
Page should have made a proper call. Knowing Poland’s keeper was good on penalties he could not expect to compete with a keeper with a 0% historic chance of saving, when it was a higher probability that Hennessy could save 1, or even or 2, with his huge reach.
Page made a bad call and it was his call to make.
This says different about Ward’s record with penalties.
https://www.transfermarkt.us/danny-w...spieler/203026
Don’t know how reliable that site is mind.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
To be fair he didnt have any chance of stopping them. All well taken. Unfortunately 1 of ours wasnt.
I am never really sure how this works, goalie guessed the right way or the plays that scored knocking it down the middle waited/tricked the goalie into moving.
If the goalie goes the other way James' penalty looks as good as some of the others.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
Ward is a decent keeper.
But Ward had faced 138 penalties in his life and saved none. He is 6 ft 3.
Hennessy is 6 ft 6.
Page should have made a proper call. Knowing Poland’s keeper was good on penalties he could not expect to compete with a keeper with a 0% historic chance of saving, when it was a higher probability that Hennessy could save 1, or even or 2, with his huge reach.
Page made a bad call and it was his call to make.
This is total bollocks.
He saved one last year v Turkey
According to TM he’s saved 4 out of 29.
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
Should have gone for it from the start with pace and movement and not Moore - completely changes the focus of our attack.
I actually thought Page got it right for once, and we were the better side for most of the game. Poland didn't manage a single shot on target, with one of the best striker in the world.
I'm gutted but ultimately optimistic about this side going forward. The core of this team has huge experience together and loads of them are 23 and younger. The future is definitely bright.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Is that a made up stat as it sounds unbelievable to me.
Pretty mental if he hasn't managed to save one ever, some penalties are absolutely terrible.
If it is wrong I hold my hand up. The heights are correct, but a relative gave the stats. I haven’t verified them but unless he is out drinking he is usually pretty straight
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So, it's the fault of Page. Nothing to do with the outfield players who created not very much for 2 hours? I'm not being critical of anyone. Decent enough performance from Wales. Both teams pretty ordinary. We didn't really trouble Poland, we were at home, it's our job to trouble them.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
More reliable than Keyser
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Originally Posted by
CopenhagenBlue
I actually thought Page got it right for once, and we were the better side for most of the game. Poland didn't manage a single shot on target, with one of the best striker in the world.
I'm gutted but ultimately optimistic about this side going forward. The core of this team has huge experience together and loads of them are 23 and younger. The future is definitely bright.
Totaly agree:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
The frustration is that we defended really well tonight. The subs made no sense and we totally lost our shape.
Brennan Johnson was our best player in the first half so why sub him? Dan James was really playing like a fullback so we didn't have any outlet
Agree about Johnson, I’ve knocked him for his performances in a Wales shirt in the past, but I thought he had the beating of the Polish defenders in the first half especially.
I thought we were taking charge of the game in its middle third and was getting quite confident, but around the time Jordan James got booked, we seemed to get nervy and, without really taking charge, Poland looked quite comfortable from then on.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
To be fair he didnt have any chance of stopping them. All well taken. Unfortunately 1 of ours wasnt.
And even then - it wasn’t that much of a bad pen, it had pace into the corner, just a bit too close to a keeper who dived right way
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
So, it's the fault of Page. Nothing to do with the outfield players who created not very much for 2 hours? I'm not being critical of anyone. Decent enough performance from Wales. Both teams pretty ordinary. We didn't really trouble Poland, we were at home, it's our job to trouble them.
It was a very Wales performance, comfortable, competent but ultimately very little end product. It felt like we pressured them into loads of mistakes at the back but never capitalised.
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We have a good , young side and that's a positive
But we had 2 hours to beat them and we couldn't do it
So it's always a lottery
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I am never really sure how this works, goalie guessed the right way or the plays that scored knocking it down the middle waited/tricked the goalie into moving.
If the goalie goes the other way James' penalty looks as good as some of the others.
Agreed. looked an ok save rather than a bad pen to me. look at some of the others. Almost straight down the middle.
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Danny Ward saved a pen v Reading in the 2017 play off final.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
To be fair he didnt have any chance of stopping them. All well taken. Unfortunately 1 of ours wasnt.
Exactly this. All those 5 pens were great. You hope to get one that is badly hit and give the keeper a chance. Unfortunately the one out of ten was one of ours...
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Originally Posted by
jeepster
Totaly agree:thumbup:
And me, people on here always looking for someone to blame. Sometimes nobody is at fault.
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Re: WALES v POLAND. Match thread
Pene are Pens can go either way
The subs were on another level, why was Rambo there if you are not going to use him the last 5 mins for pen. Wilson and Moore were gone for the last 20 mins?
Probably best for Page to go
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Originally Posted by
CopenhagenBlue
I actually thought Page got it right for once, and we were the better side for most of the game. Poland didn't manage a single shot on target, with one of the best striker in the world.
I'm gutted but ultimately optimistic about this side going forward. The core of this team has huge experience together and loads of them are 23 and younger. The future is definitely bright.
Felt the momentum from Finland was lost by having Moore and we seemed to go long too early - personally feel brooks would have helped us move around and create space against what seemed a fairly imobile central defence that did pretty well to contain Moore
The rest I agree with re the future - it's a youngish side with quite a lot of experience already
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
LA Bluebird
It’s far from the first time Page has forgotten to use his subs in a key situation. Sorry, he’s done a passable job but not the manager to take us forward in my book. How you look at that last performance and decide to do the total opposite a few days later is totally beyond me.
This.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
Thing is the lineup against Finland is versatile because you have multiple ways to change players around and you can insert Kiefer against a tired defense and have him take advantage.
Starting with him is fine, and I agree that for the first 70 we played well and it was working, but then you have to have a plan that when he tires to change things around. By bringing Johnson off he massively limits his options there when he was one of our more dangerous players, and then when we are obviously knackered all over the field he just does… nothing. Like we have one tactic to start the game and there’s no option to change it after that.
Oh well, if Davies is two inches further back he’s a hero again but he’s very tactically limited for me.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
So, it's the fault of Page. Nothing to do with the outfield players who created not very much for 2 hours? I'm not being critical of anyone. Decent enough performance from Wales. Both teams pretty ordinary. We didn't really trouble Poland, we were at home, it's our job to trouble them.
No. I think he picked the wrong keeper for pens.
But overall I don’t think there is much more he could have done tactically. I thought first half was very good, and second half decent. I did prefer Johnson up the middle though the other night, because it gives the “ball down the middle” option v Poland’s less quicker defenders.
Kiefer did all right tonight but the pace ball was always wide. I do suspect that Johnson might have troubled them a little more but that is speculation.
We lost by slender margins. Such is life.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I am never really sure how this works, goalie guessed the right way or the plays that scored knocking it down the middle waited/tricked the goalie into moving.
If the goalie goes the other way James' penalty looks as good as some of the others.
The Polish players really put their boot the ball though. James penalty was totally reliant on the keeper going the wrong way. It was the perfect height for a keeper and not struck well enough. Just a bad pen , pressure told. Shit happens.
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
No. I think he picked the wrong keeper for pens.
But overall I don’t think there is much more he could have done tactically. I thought first half was very good, and second half decent. I did prefer Johnson up the middle though the other night, because it gives the “ball down the middle” option v Poland’s less quicker defenders.
Kiefer did all right tonight but the pace ball was always wide. I do suspect that Johnson might have troubled them a little more but that is speculation.
We lost by slender margins. Such is life.
Fair shout :thumbup:
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Page says Brooks has been ill and hadnt trained so thats why he came off.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
And me, people on here always looking for someone to blame. Sometimes nobody is at fault.
Agree can't wait until 5pm Friday when we can legitimately blame the manager and any other cannon fodder in a blue shirt 👍👍
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Re: FT: WALES 0-0 POLAND. AET. Poland win on penalties.
We shaded it for 105 minutes; were hanging on for 15 minutes; and their penalties were better.
Could have gone either way over the whole evening.
I expected Poland to win before kick off, and although it is frustrating and disappointing, Wales matched them.
A young(ish) team in transition that gives a lot of hope for the future.