Yesterday's attendance - some facts and figures

First opening game i've missed in 40 years and the first time i have'nt had a season ticket in over 20 years, the shite football on display is not the reason i no longer want to go but i've found both our fans and the loony owner hard going over the last few seasons, from the sea of red v Brighton to the false "we'll always be blue" when we were in freefall and a owner happy to lose 25% support when the fairweather's were queing up to take their seats, shite sticks.

exactly that

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 18:14

Nice try. A lot of that was to do with people hoping to see robbie fowler and jimmy Floyd haselbaink. The next crowd was 16k then a 13k then a 12k. This time we signed 1 player on loan with a poor reputation who will likely be no more than a squad player

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So let's get this straight - are you now suggesting that factors other than results and performances can have a significant effect on attendances?

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Originally Posted by Son of Red Moon wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 18:38

so so ****ing sad is Dave must spend hours researching meaningless figures and writing meaningless blogs

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You'd be surprised how quickly these things can be done if you have the necessary skills and intelligence, although in your case I suspect they would take months.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 18:14

It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:23

As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

In 2006/07, Cardiff City finished 13th in the Championship. The team endured an abysmal end to the season which saw a run of 9 games without a victory.

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Originally Posted by saganspirit wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:00

Hmm...

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:04

Hmm...

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Originally Posted by saganspirit wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:00

Apparently, lots of people turned up hoping to see Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink play on 11/08/07 despite the fact that he didn't sign for the club until 16/08/07.

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so some people were a bit early, what people cant be early now ffs tlg you need to accept our lord jesus christ into your cynical heart jesus forgives you

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:04

Hmm...

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Originally Posted by saganspirit wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:00

Apparently, lots of people turned up hoping to see Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink play on 11/08/07 despite the fact that he didn't sign for the club until 16/08/07.

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Good memory. Still stands for robbie fowler though- we had nearly 10,000 for a friendly to see him didn't we? I'm sure you can remember the exact date and attendance

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 18:52

Nice try. A lot of that was to do with people hoping to see robbie fowler and jimmy Floyd haselbaink. The next crowd was 16k then a 13k then a 12k. This time we signed 1 player on loan with a poor reputation who will likely be no more than a squad player

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 18:14

So let's get this straight - are you now suggesting that factors other than results and performances can have a significant effect on attendances?

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If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 18:24

The bitterness just doesn't go way..

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try cutting a lemon in 1/2 and sucking on it http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif it'll help

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:09

Good memory. Still stands for robbie fowler though- we had nearly 10,000 for a friendly to see him didn't we? I'm sure you can remember the exact date and attendance

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There was, though, a definite feelgood factor around the club back then after the signings of Fowler and Sinclair. The attendance for the Stoke game clearly had little to do with the previous season's form and performances as they had been abysmal in the closing months.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

Uh, no. I don't.

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I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

So there is a debate then!

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Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

Loyal supporters still attend..thats all we need :)

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

So there is a debate then!

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He does know better. He knows of 50-100 people who don't attend for other reasons you know.

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Originally Posted by lukeBBW wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:37

Loyal supporters still attend..thats all we need :)

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This club has lost a lot of what were loyal supporters due to the actions of a lunatic owner.

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Originally Posted by lukeBBW wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:37

Loyal supporters still attend..thats all we need :)

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It's quite clear a lot of people renewed when we were in the prem to keep their seats around feb time (when we were within a point of the likes of swansea and hadn't been in the bottom 3 for the first 19 games) but the way things turned out they obviously found better things to do with their time throughout the season.

tan might have let you go back to blue, but that proves he is a clueless **** http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

he wont be there long, your fans need stability not a meglomaniac malaysian who thinks red is a lucky colour.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:35

Better crowd than I expected.

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Nice post, "true fan" http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so.

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I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:42

he wont be there long, your fans need stability not a meglomaniac malaysian who thinks red is a lucky colour.

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Keep up, we have moved on now, we are back to blue and all if forgiven ( well apart from the 50 TLG knows )

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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:47

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.

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your still going to be shit whether you play in red, blue, or sky blue pink with yellow dots on. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:54

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so.

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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:47

I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

its a load of bollux, because unless tan invests serious money in the team, it does not matter what colour you play in. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Thanks Chris.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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The fact the club are now making such of a play of blue makes it appear they at least think they've learnt something that is relevant to the potential future success of the club. Fans who nailed their colours to the mast seem to find this much more difficult (perhaps on both sides of the argument).

Speaking only for myself threads like this are one of the many reasons I no longer have a season ticket, my non renewal had nothing to do with personal finances, nothing to do with results, i've watched some absolute shit football over the years, and nothing to do with lack of ambition, up until a few years back ambition was purely to survive and stay in business.

I've had enough of the bickering and the bullshit of the last few years have worn me down and disolved away what was at one time an absolute obsession.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.

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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.

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plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:22

their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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I remember Leeds!

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Originally Posted by Under the Splott-light wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

Speaking only for myself threads like this are one of the many reasons I no longer have a season ticket, my non renewal had nothing to do with personal finances, nothing to do with results, i've watched some absolute shit football over the years, and nothing to do with lack of ambition, up until a few years back ambition was purely to survive and stay in business.

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Exactly how i feel, i used to count the days down to the start of the season even in the dungeon days, we were shite but at least we were united, too much bullshite in recent years from both fans and owner and it seemed on times that the team was a sideshow, as BB King once said The Thrill Has Gone.

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:22

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.

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What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:22

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.

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Let's face it, beating us is probably one of those once in a lifetime experiences for your fans so it's no wonder you all get so excited. Hoping you'll have something to tell the grand kids.

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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:27

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:22

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?

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we sell out everywhere we go sunshine. leeds support away is second to none. you send the tickets we will sell em http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:31

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:27

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:22

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.

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http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif 10,000 empty seats yesterday at Elland Rd big club http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:31

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:27

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:22

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.

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This is a refreshing change from the usual bilge you post sonny. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:47

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.

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I don't quite remember the red one being such a big seller, even although we were playing in the premier league with a shed full of plastic supporters.

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Originally Posted by Tandy wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:43

If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:31

Uh, no. I don't.

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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:27

So there is a debate then!

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Originally Posted by chris wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:22

I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?

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Originally Posted by surge wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 20:03

Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:46

In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:38

OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:35

Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.

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Originally Posted by Baloo wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:33

Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:25

Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:17

When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 19:11

their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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leeds dont play in a manufactured subbuteo stadium, your gates are shite end of story. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif