Well well well - who who have guess this - NET migration hits a record HIGH of 330.000 ?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Also I'd like to point the irony of going to a Japanese and Italian chain restaurant and complaining about being served by foreigners.

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shall i try the local harry ramsdens, good old british fish and chips :shrug: it doesnt make any difference

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Yet,. once again, these are un / semi skilled people who would never pass the Australian points system entry ( which has been discussed in this thread ) as i said in my previous post, most anti-immigration folk wouldnt mind if the immigrants were skilled and we needed that skill, its fairly easy to understand

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3 people I went to school with got zero qualifications and now work as unskilled labourers so I think the points system isn't as easy as you think.

Austrailia are also the country that have left refugees from Afghanistan and Iraq almost go insane on an almost uninhabitable islands off their coast after they were saved from a sinking ship, so you will forgive me for not being 100% behind the Australians with how they treat human beings.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...devoid-of-hope

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Originally Posted by blue matt

shall i try the local harry ramsdens, good old british fish and chips :shrug: it doesnt make any difference

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The irony is amazing surely even you can see that?

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

FAO Lardy re "You said this before and I asked what you meant but don't think I had a reply. What do you mean? Are you suggesting the uk is the only country in the world that has completely uncontrolled immigration?"

Sorry what I meant was - EU has open access to any country for any of it' citizens - the problem is - it's not 1 country, and it's not a level playing field. There are different currencies for a start, different economies and very different standards of living. So the UK with a strong currency, a living wage of £7.20 soon to £9 an hour, housing benefits, child tax credits etc etc - is a strong pull to anyone in Romania for example where the average is around £2.50 per hour.

Because of this it has an impact on the UK (just as it does Romania) - therefor in the interests of all countries in the EU - immigration to and from each country or zone if you want needs to be controlled.

Japan doesnt allow free movement of people to and from South Korea or China that I am aware of - and the same anywhere else. America doesnt allow unfettered immigration of people to and from Canada or Mexico. Migrant workers is a different story - people who come in - do work and then go back is not immigration.

Maybe in the long distant future when the EU economy is one homogeneous economic zone then it may work - but at the moment it seems to be causing far too much damage. But that long distant future seems to be a long way off and not worth it - to me anyway.

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So when you say there's no other country in the world with 'uncontrolled immigration' you mean the other 25 odd in the eu also have it. Even then, we're not part of schengen so we're already stricter than them.

There's lots of holes to be picked with uk immigration without resorting to massive exaggeration

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

The irony is amazing surely even you can see that?

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i can see why you think its Ironic , yes

The restaurant doesnt really matter though does it, the argument is still the same, which i notice you really have no answer for, 7 out of the 8 who interacted with us at 2 places were from eastern europe doing a un / semi skilled job, of course you may argue, yes but they were all Doctors / Nurses / dentists or architects just waiting till they could get the job they want

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36382199 BBC have just published the official figures.

Net migration to the UK rose to 333,000 in 2015, according to the Office for National Statistics estimates - the second highest figure on record.
Net migration is the difference between the number of people coming to the UK for at least a year and those leaving.
The net migration figure for EU citizens was 184,000 - a record number.


So then 'Call me Dave' Cameron what was it you promised :sherlock: getting NET immigration down to the tens of thousands, how is that policy going.

Put this across the country and with a NET increase of 330,000 that is a city the size of Oxford - PER YEAR.

Anyone have any solution to this ?

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Fantastic.. Wonderful. Imagine the net positive contribution immigrants are making
. making Britain more prosperous and diverse and helping our economy.

Thank goodness the conservative promises of controlling immigration are failing.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

3 people I went to school with got zero qualifications and now work as unskilled labourers so I think the points system isn't as easy as you think.

Austrailia are also the country that have left refugees from Afghanistan and Iraq almost go insane on an almost uninhabitable islands off their coast after they were saved from a sinking ship, so you will forgive me for not being 100% behind the Australians with how they treat human beings.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...devoid-of-hope

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I fully understand the Australian points system, it works most of the time, it might not be 100 % but it does help with the skills shortage

You do need the devil in the detail ,there are many factors to consider before you grab your sword such as :
bigt influx are Chinese and Indian
many are overseas student
some are are visas
some are long period family visits most do not claim benefits
half are non European
a number are wealthy millionaires / families from Russian ./ China / India / Africa
huge numbers are working in NHS / Hotel type industries in major cities.

Figures made up of :
Visas: entry clearance visas granted
• Admissions: passengers allowed entry and passengers initially refused entry
• Extensions: people given permission to extend their stay
• Settlement: people given permission to stay permanently
• Citizenship: people granted British citizenship
• Asylum: people applying for asylum
• Detention: people detained under Immigration Act powers
• Returns: people who leave the country either voluntarily or forcibly, whom, in the
main, the Home Office has sought to return
• European Economic Area: information on nationals from the EEA
• Work: immigration for work
• Study: immigration for study
• Family: immigration for family reasons

So the nhs will collapse and we'll run out of pension funding if we stop the pakistani taxi drivers and romanian big issue sellers coming here?

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Originally Posted by goslow

So the nhs will collapse and we'll run out of pension funding if we stop the pakistani taxi drivers and romanian big issue sellers coming here?

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Pakistan isn't in the EU mate, so any vote next month probably won't affect that at all.

Lot of outrage on here, I'm meh to be honest.

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Originally Posted by tommy31

Pakistan isn't in the EU mate, so any vote next month probably won't affect that at all.

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It would help if you read the op,this isn't a referendum thread.

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Originally Posted by goslow

It would help if you read the op,this isn't a referendum thread.

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Have read the OP. Added referendum in because it's still on topic.

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Originally Posted by tommy31

Have read the OP. Added referendum in because it's still on topic.

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So there were no migrats from pakistain last year then?

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Originally Posted by goslow

So there were no migrats from pakistain last year then?

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They any relation to rugrats. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by goslow

So there were no migrats from pakistain last year then?

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Is that what I said?

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Originally Posted by tommy31

Pakistan isn't in the EU mate, so any vote next month probably won't affect that at all.

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There are hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis living in continental Europe and the UK is, understandably, a big magnet for them.

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The same is true of Somalis and Bengalis; there are many who settled in the EU who have now resettled in the UK, perhaps due to the larger communities of people from those countries residing here

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Originally Posted by goslow

So the nhs will collapse and we'll run out of pension funding if we stop the pakistani taxi drivers and romanian big issue sellers coming here?

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who said that?

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Originally Posted by tommy31

Is that what I said?

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So what was the point of your post?

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

They any relation to rugrats. :hehe:

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No but they have lots of them.....

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Originally Posted by goslow

So what was the point of your post?

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Originally Posted by tommy31

Pakistan isn't in the EU mate, so any vote next month probably won't affect that at all.

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have a read and decide

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Originally Posted by tommy31

have a read and decide

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You thought you were being clever?

Okay, why mention Pakistanis? Is it just a coincidence or what?

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Okay, why mention Pakistanis? Is it just a coincidence or what?

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Because there's a horde of them.

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Originally Posted by chris

pensions will be virtually obsolete in 20 - 30 years time

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Good luck to the party bringing that in. They'd never be elected again.

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Originally Posted by goslow

Because there's a horde of them.

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So? Most of us dont do any harm

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

So? Most of us dont do any harm

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So you're a pakistani again are you?

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Originally Posted by goslow

So you're a pakistani again are you?

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course he is :hehe :he is trying to educate the british public when the reality is he would not go back to timbucktoo in a million years without a fishing net. :hehe:

he is trying to join the clique mrs r, colonel gaddaffi, bluetit, sweaty sock. packerman and all the rest of em who bore ya tears. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by chris

course he is :hehe :he is trying to educate the british public when the reality is he would not go back to timbucktoo in a million years without a fishing net. :hehe:

he is trying to join the clique mrs r, colonel gaddaffi, bluetit, sweaty sock. packerman and all the rest of em who bore ya tears. :hehe:

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Clique? :hehe: what are you on?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Clique? :hehe: what are you on?

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dont need to be on anything mrs r: :thumbup:, but you dont need to post on here very long to realise that some posters would say black was white and some would say ok then :hehe:

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Originally Posted by chris

dont need to be on anything mrs r: :thumbup:, but you dont need to post on here very long to realise that some posters would say black was white and some would say ok then :hehe:

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Well you can hardly include me in that considering people rarely agree with me on anything. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by chris

course he is :hehe :he is trying to educate the british public when the reality is he would not go back to timbucktoo in a million years without a fishing net. :hehe:

he is trying to join the clique mrs r, colonel gaddaffi, bluetit, sweaty sock. packerman and all the rest of em who bore ya tears. :hehe:

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1. "Timbucktoo" or "Timbuktu" as its actually called, is in Africa. A different ****ing continent to Pakistan
2. Adz is living in the country of his birth.
3. You're a thick racist twat.

Hope this helps.

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Well you can hardly include me in that considering people rarely agree with me on anything. :hehe:

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I wanna know how chris found out about our clique, it was supposed to be secret ffs!

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I wanna know how chris found out about our clique, it was supposed to be secret ffs!

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:hehe: Still no requests to join The Lost Souls then?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I wanna know how chris found out about our clique, it was supposed to be secret ffs!

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Facebook?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Good luck to the party bringing that in. They'd never be elected again.

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100% That is the future.

The government tried to bring in work place pensions a few years ago voluntarily , I guess it failed.

Now every company in the land MUST have a workplace pension scheme in the next year or so , next step will be compulsory joining as you aint getting a state pension.

The old duffers like you and I will get one, anyone below 40 it is unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

100% That is the future.

The government tried to bring in work place pensions a few years ago voluntarily , I guess it failed.

Now every company in the land MUST have a workplace pension scheme in the next year or so , next step will be compulsory joining as you aint getting a state pension.

The old duffers like you and I will get one, anyone below 40 it is unlikely.

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Can't you get around this by making all your workers self employed?

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Originally Posted by BlueWales

The UK is a victim of it's relative economic success as a pull factor for economic migrants from inside the EU
and from further afield.
We also have a reputation worldwide for fair play and tolerance ( though not by some on this MB ).

A shame some xenophobic little englanders don't show a little more tolerance.

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Go and polish your sandals.

Your liberal tree hugging stance sees you apply the 'xenophobia' card far too quickly without applying logic or economic common sense. It's not xenophobic or racist to want a stop to huge numbers of migrants coming to the country but rather than question the economic benefits you'd rather shout 'racist'. Shame on you.

This is an island not blessed with infinite space. We pay taxes from which our system supports our daily lives to varying degrees of success. The country has a lot of poverty, especially in Wales. We are not ably serving our own within our financial constraints so how can it make even basic mathematic sense to have thousands more people come in?

Yes, bringing economic migrants in who fill essential roles is necessary and im

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