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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Both sides were lied to

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Yeah I would agree with that to a certain extent.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

You brand people clueless because you keep saying leave voters were lied to, you keep saying they didn't know what they voted for. It's insulting to those people.

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You just said they were as well.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

I want to take in as many child refugees as we can, what I don't want to do is take in single men of dubious backgrounds and having no idea who they are. Don't lock your door tonight, better still have the door removed seeing as you don't care much for border controls.

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The jungle wouldn't exist if our border controls weren't already functioning quite well.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Here's the live UK debt clock. http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

The debt is borrowed money owed that attracts interest payments. You might note that the debt's increasing, rather than decreasing, by five thousand quid per second, and everyone's share of it is also going up. But that's no problem in your world, it appears.

Out of interest, are you doing anything tangible to aid migrants? I ask because the Archbishop of Canterbury has suggested he's willing to accommodate one or two families.

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Can you imagine if Church of England clergymen started inviting these menboys, or whatever you call them, into their homes? I don't know who would be most at risk - the menboys, the clergymen or the vicarage cats.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Yeah I would agree with that to a certain extent.



You just said they were as well.



The jungle wouldn't exist if our border controls weren't already functioning quite well.

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Both sides were lied too, it was the nature of a very petty campaign. The people had to wade through the bullshit to get to the truth. The "YOU WERE LIED TO" line only ever gets thrown at working class people from poor areas, it's insulting.

Generally our border force is good but you cannot deny that allowing in blokes who are seemingly in their 30s as children is quite a remarkable **** up.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Both sides were lied too, it was the nature of a very petty campaign. The people had to wade through the bullshit to get to the truth. The "YOU WERE LIED TO" line only ever gets thrown at working class people from poor areas, it's insulting.

Generally our border force is good but you cannot deny that allowing in blokes who are seemingly in their 30s as children is quite a remarkable **** up.

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My point is this, you voted to leave the EU partly because of asylum seekers who are camped in Calais. The reason they are camped in Calais is because the border force is good. Leaving the EU wont change the fact that there are migrants in France who wish to get to the UK. Leaving the EU wont change the fact that the majority are not able to get through.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

My point is this, you voted to leave the EU partly because of asylum seekers who are camped in Calais. The reason they are camped in Calais is because the border force is good. Leaving the EU wont change the fact that there are migrants in France who wish to get to the UK. Leaving the EU wont change the fact that the majority are not able to get through.

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Nah, didn't vote to leave the EU based on Calais. Here you are again trying to paint a picture of all leave voters being refugee hating bigots. I voted to leave the EU for a plethora of reasons and none of which were due to Calais.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Nah, didn't vote to leave the EU based on Calais. Here you are again trying to paint a picture of all leave voters being refugee hating bigots. I voted to leave the EU for a plethora of reasons and none of which were due to Calais.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

No it's anyone such as yourself who is slating anyone who voted to leave the EU, has genuine concerns about immigration and is against allowing in half of Calais into the country as small minded racists.

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Forgive me for my confusion.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Forgive me for my confusion.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Forgive me for my confusion.

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Nice try but you know what I meant, I was listing three opinions that are denigrated by the likes of you. I did not vote to leave the EU because of Calais, that you can believe.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Nah, didn't vote to leave the EU based on Calais. Here you are again trying to paint a picture of all leave voters being refugee hating bigots. I voted to leave the EU for a plethora of reasons and none of which were due to Calais.

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Out of interest, what were some of your highlight reasons?

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Originally Posted by TH63

Out of interest, what were some of your highlight reasons?

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The way I saw it we should never have joined in the first place. If we hadn't have joined there wouldn't be a clamour to join up. We are a very strong, versatile economy, compared to most of Europe. We have bigger bollocks than most and are better off holding our own. The Germans rule the roost in Brussels and therefore the whole system is working for them rather than for us, if we had got to the top of the European tree like they have then perhaps I would feel differently.

Another reason is that Brexit gives us more freedom to work with other countries such as India, Nigeria etc who are growing economies with cultural ties to the UK. I don't want us to turn our back on Europe though. I think it's high time we developed a "special relationship" with Germany rather than the Americans. Both our countries are very similar and carry similar aims and beliefs and the Germans are far less difficult than the French to work with. This can be achieved outside of the EU, there is no doubt in my mind that Brexit will be a roaring success although admittedly there will be a few years of uncertainty.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

The way I saw it we should never have joined in the first place. If we hadn't have joined there wouldn't be a clamour to join up. We are a very strong, versatile economy, compared to most of Europe. We have bigger bollocks than most and are better off holding our own. The Germans rule the roost in Brussels and therefore the whole system is working for them rather than for us, if we had got to the top of the European tree like they have then perhaps I would feel differently.

Another reason is that Brexit gives us more freedom to work with other countries such as India, Nigeria etc who are growing economies with cultural ties to the UK. I don't want us to turn our back on Europe though. I think it's high time we developed a "special relationship" with Germany rather than the Americans. Both our countries are very similar and carry similar aims and beliefs and the Germans are far less difficult than the French to work with. This can be achieved outside of the EU, there is no doubt in my mind that Brexit will be a roaring success although admittedly there will be a few years of uncertainty.

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Not sure I agree with that. We've had a fairly special status, being able to say no to Schengen for example, while still having all the perks.

Also not convinced that we can trade with the Germans outside of the EU, or that Nigeria is going to be massively fruitful for us. Admire the optimism though.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

The way I saw it we should never have joined in the first place. If we hadn't have joined there wouldn't be a clamour to join up. We are a very strong, versatile economy, compared to most of Europe. We have bigger bollocks than most and are better off holding our own. The Germans rule the roost in Brussels and therefore the whole system is working for them rather than for us, if we had got to the top of the European tree like they have then perhaps I would feel differently.

Another reason is that Brexit gives us more freedom to work with other countries such as India, Nigeria etc who are growing economies with cultural ties to the UK. I don't want us to turn our back on Europe though. I think it's high time we developed a "special relationship" with Germany rather than the Americans. Both our countries are very similar and carry similar aims and beliefs and the Germans are far less difficult than the French to work with. This can be achieved outside of the EU, there is no doubt in my mind that Brexit will be a roaring success although admittedly there will be a few years of uncertainty.

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Thanks for taking the time to respond. I may not agree with everything, but at least you have a rational reason for voting the way you did.

I sometimes wonder how many of us have met a refugee, child or otherwise. I can't imagine we'd be so judgmental and desensitised if we had heard first hand what they had been through.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Nice try but you know what I meant, I was listing three opinions that are denigrated by the likes of you. I did not vote to leave the EU because of Calais, that you can believe.

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Lol wow.

re: the bold bit - you still haven't provided any proof of that. I have asked a couple of times over different threads. The victim card can only take you so far.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

I spent this afternoon with an Albanian refugee (their description) and her 2 kids - we all went swimming, her kids and mine. They are mates from school - (free swimming at council leisure centres in case you're interested for kids under 16)

So sorry to disappoint. They still shouldn't be in this country though, they fled here because they allegedly had an abusive father who threatened them with extreme violence - so they sought asylum here.

We have a housing issue in the UK - and in the meanwhile they have been housed in a very nice house near a very nice park - no wonder the kids are smiling. So would I be, but if you know someone who cant get a council flat or house and doesnt get help with a private rent - then you will probably agree (like I do) that there is a problem with the system and the priorities of Govt.

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Did you let her know your issues with her or just smile and nod like a coward and retreat to the internet to bitch about her?

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

I spent this afternoon with an Albanian refugee (their description) and her 2 kids - we all went swimming, her kids and mine. They are mates from school - (free swimming at council leisure centres in case you're interested for kids under 16)

So sorry to disappoint. They still shouldn't be in this country though, they fled here because they allegedly had an abusive father who threatened them with extreme violence - so they sought asylum here.

We have a housing issue in the UK - and in the meanwhile they have been housed in a very nice house near a very nice park - no wonder the kids are smiling. So would I be, but if you know someone who cant get a council flat or house and doesnt get help with a private rent - then you will probably agree (like I do) that there is a problem with the system and the priorities of Govt.

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We do have a housing crisis and our government does have questionable priorities, however that doesn't mean you can question whether that family had an abusive father or we should be so desensitised to call for dental checks. These are usually very different issues.

Some refugees seem too quickly forget the horrors they have come through once they are here safe but without knowing those horrors it's difficult to suggest they shouldn't be here at all.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Surge - I know their story - they have told me enough for me to get the picture. I wont go into it in detail on a public forum.

ps - just because a family breaks up in Albania - with a very violent / criminally minded dad - does that mean they should come to the UK, and get a accommodated ? - I can think of more deserving cases in the UK - and even more deserving from camps (not in Calais).

When the UK has sorted out it's housing crisis, and (alleged) poverty amongst our own kids - then we should look problem families from Albania - just my opinion though, I do respect if others dont agree

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How would you want it to go down?

They turn up in the UK and live on the streets?
They turn up in the UK and get sent back to Albania to the abusive father?

Not providing them a safe place/housing them has consequences too.

The housing crisis should be used as a stick to beat successive governments with until they actually build enough houses, not an excuse for flushing our morals down the toilet.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

How would you want it to go down?

They turn up in the UK and live on the streets?
They turn up in the UK and get sent back to Albania to the abusive father?

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For them not to come to the UK at all would be good, or at least apply through the proper channels or get the picture that Britain is no longer a soft touch anymore and they should try Sweden instead.

I keep reading from the left about what horrible racists we all are and the country is heading closer towards fascism by the day yet we have queues and queues of people wanting to leave socialist France? Odd.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

For them not to come to the UK at all would be good, or at least apply through the proper channels or get the picture that Britain is no longer a soft touch anymore and they should try Sweden instead.

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How would she have gotten her accommodation for her young family if she didn't come through the proper channels?

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

I keep reading from the left about what horrible racists we all are and the country is heading closer towards fascism by the day yet we have queues and queues of people wanting to leave socialist France? Odd.

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Once again I will fruitlessly ask for a quote to back your whinging.

Also for someone who doesn't care about migrants in France you sure do go on about it.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

How would she have gotten her accommodation for her young family if she didn't come through the proper channels?



Once again I will fruitlessly ask for a quote to back your whinging.

Also for someone who doesn't care about migrants in France you sure do go on about it.

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Quotes for what?

This thread is about migrants in France.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Quotes for what?

This thread is about migrants in France.

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But the post you replied to was about an Albanian woman who moved to the UK to escape a brutal relationship. Do you need me to book you in for some computer training at the library?

Quotes for all these lefty's attacking you at every turn? Apparently they call you a racist 15 times a day just because you are a normal bloke expressing your concerns. Quotes for all the things you have accused me of saying in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

But the post you replied to was about an Albanian woman who moved to the UK to escape a brutal relationship. Do you need me to book you in for some computer training at the library?

Quotes for all these lefty's attacking you at every turn? Apparently they call you a racist 15 times a day just because you are a normal bloke expressing your concerns. Quotes for all the things you have accused me of saying in this thread.

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They've cancelled the computer training courses, they needed the extra space to house all these refugees.

Lineker called people "hideously racist" for expressing views that raised concern about allowing refugees into the country. Diane Abbot blasted all leave voters as "wanting less foreign looking people on the streets". Lilly Allen apologising on behalf of the nation (thanks for that, love) for how we are treating those stuck in Calais as if we should all be ashamed of ourselves. And then there's second rate politicans like Leanne Wood and Emily Thornberry who have both recently insisted on Question Time that leave voters didn't know what they were voting for and were motivated by the fear of migrants whipped up by the press.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

They've cancelled the computer training courses, they needed the extra space to house all these refugees.

Lineker called people "hideously racist" for expressing views that raised concern about allowing refugees into the country. Diane Abbot blasted all leave voters as "wanting less foreign looking people on the streets". Lilly Allen apologising on behalf of the nation (thanks for that, love) for how we are treating those stuck in Calais as if we should all be ashamed of ourselves. And then there's second rate politicans like Leanne Wood and Emily Thornberry who have both recently insisted on Question Time that leave voters didn't know what they were voting for and were motivated by the fear of migrants whipped up by the press.

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we should. we are a nation of 63m people and we are talking about a few thousand refugees from a war torn country. it s a disgrace that we can't take in another town the size of Cowbridge (or whatever)

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Never mind him for now. Wednesday, October 26th, 2016. Circle it in your diary. A world-changing event cometh.

Post Scriptum, that bet is down to 5-2 from 5-1 last week.

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Not long now.......

I think people are confusing two issues here.

Migration from EU countries (as part of the free movement of people)

Refugees (which most in Calais seem to be) from war zones.

Two completely different things.

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Originally Posted by TH63

I think people are confusing two issues here.

Migration from EU countries (as part of the free movement of people)

Refugees (which most in Calais seem to be) from war zones.

Two completely different things.

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I think you'll find they're all the same. They just want to rape our women.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Surge - I know their story - they have told me enough for me to get the picture. I wont go into it in detail on a public forum.

ps - just because a family breaks up in Albania - with a very violent / criminally minded dad - does that mean they should come to the UK, and get a accommodated ? - I can think of more deserving cases in the UK - and even more deserving from camps (not in Calais).

When the UK has sorted out it's housing crisis, and (alleged) poverty amongst our own kids - then we should look problem families from Albania - just my opinion though, I do respect if others dont agree

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You can blame Jesus and Marx for that. Their precepts seem to be guiding Government social policy.

As a Christian country we are guided by Jesus's Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. If you have forgotten the parable is all about a bunch of workers who turn up late in the day and who get paid the same as the workers who have been there all day. As you might expect the first lot complain, but they are told "the last shall be first, and the first last". That's almost as ridiculous as "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

The distribution of welfare in this country is determined by Marx's slogan "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". In other words, welfare has nothing to do with merit.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

You can blame Jesus and Marx for that. Their precepts seem to be guiding Government social policy.

As a Christian country we are guided by Jesus's Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. If you have forgotten the parable is all about a bunch of workers who turn up late in the day and who get paid the same as the workers who have been there all day. As you might expect the first lot complain, but they are told "the last shall be first, and the first last". That's almost as ridiculous as "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

The distribution of welfare in this country is determined by Marx's slogan "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". In other words, welfare has nothing to do with merit.

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Be honest, you're that loon that used to post as Gwynedd Blue aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

Not long now.......

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I will put the kettle on..

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

Be honest, you're that loon that used to post as Gwynedd Blue aren't you?

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I'm not a loon. What have I written in that post that makes you think that? I've posted on here under a few names but as far as I can remember Gwynedd Blue wasn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

I'm not a loon. What have I written in that post that makes you think that? I've posted on here under a few names but as far as I can remember Gwynedd Blue wasn't one of them.

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Are you sure?

What names have you posted under then?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

I will put the kettle on..

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Old organ hasn't been on here for two days.

Probably loading all his gold into his fall out shelter.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

Are you sure?

What names have you posted under then?

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I don't believe in The Resurrection. I feel the same way about cyberdeath. Once you are gone, you are gone. My previous cyberlives are now forgotten.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

I don't believe in The Resurrection. I feel the same way about cyberdeath. Once you are gone, you are gone. My previous cyberlives are now forgotten.

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I was right then.

Thanks for confirming.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

Old organ hasn't been on here for two days.

Probably loading all his gold into his fall out shelter.

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We are both members of an exclusive Survivalist group. You are not invited and you will not get any of our gold.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

We are both members of an exclusive Survivalist group. You are not invited and you will not get any of our gold.

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If the club consists of you and organ then I'll take my chances with the zombie apocalypse.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

David Vincent sounds very much like truthpaste , the born again christian fella.

I'll duck out of the conversation at this point - as when people bring in stories about the men in clouds - that no one sees or hears - then it's time to shut the place down.

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Come back Ninianclark you have misread me. All I am trying to do is explain where this largesse to the migrants comes from. When people start acting against their own interests then that needs an explanation.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

If the club consists of you and organ then I'll take my chances with the zombie apocalypse.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Never mind him for now. Wednesday, October 26th, 2016. Circle it in your diary. A world-changing event cometh.

Post Scriptum, that bet is down to 5-2 from 5-1 last week.

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Did I miss something?


Over to you organ........