Emre racially abusing Didier Zokora and getting what was coming to him.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Ah. Penny dropped..Your one of them wind up merchants. Come here to cause trouble then post about football on your shiny new site. Ah ok.

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Oh and by the way, if this topic had come up on my forum rather than this one I would still have been happy to post my opinion on it.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Oh do piss off. You're not the first person in this thread to see a different opinion to yours and decide it's just "a wind up merchant".

It bothers me that there are so many people who think that "just a kick in the bollocks" is in ANY WAY an appropriate response to name calling. Thank Christ the law agrees with me on this rather than you lot.

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Call me ginger nuts (I'm not ginger but it's the first insult that popped into my head) and I'd laugh it off. You are a wind up. A huge ****ing clown if I'm honest.
I don't condone kicking anyone..but measuring the 2 I'd give the racism the worst of it in this instance.
Calling racism name calling is ****ing ignorant too.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I would answer you but judging by what you've written so far in you don't seem like you'd be too receptive to a differing opinion.

Perhaps call me some more names, that'll make you feel better. Oh and don't worry, I'm white, I don't have feelings. :thumbup:

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It's just name calling as you say

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

It's just name calling as you say

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Behave in your local and play up when you go elsewhere on the piss...he's only here to act a clown.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Call me ginger nuts (I'm not ginger but it's the first insult that popped into my head) and I'd laugh it off. You are a wind up. A huge ****ing clown if I'm honest.
I don't condone kicking anyone..but measuring the 2 I'd give the racism the worst of it in this instance.
Calling racism name calling is ****ing ignorant too.

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Not on a windup, clown is debatable, you don't condone kicking anyone but then you do.

Calling someone racist names is worse than just normal name calling and I wouldn't do it myself because I'm not a racist but that's what it is, name calling - fact.

Thanks again for the abuse for having a different opinion from you though. Good job.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

It's just name calling as you say

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Glad you agree.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Not on a windup, clown is debatable, you don't condone kicking anyone but then you do.

Calling someone racist names is worse than just normal name calling and I wouldn't do it myself because I'm not a racist but that's what it is, name calling - fact.

Thanks again for the abuse for having a different opinion from you though. Good job.

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Someone slapped your missus arse when your out, what do you do?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Not on a windup, clown is debatable, you don't condone kicking anyone but then you do.

Calling someone racist names is worse than just normal name calling and I wouldn't do it myself because I'm not a racist but that's what it is, name calling - fact.

Thanks again for the abuse for having a different opinion from you though. Good job.

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It's more than name calling it's pure ignorant hatred you can say it's only words all you want but it's much more than that.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Someone slapped your missus arse when your out, what do you do?

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I'll answer that if you can explain to me how it's relevant.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It's more than name calling it's pure ignorant hatred you can say it's only words all you want but it's much more than that.

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It is name calling though. Nasty names with weight behind them, but name calling nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I'll answer that if you can explain to me how it's relevant.

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Your trying to say he shouldn't have kicked him..emre offended him so he lashed out.
Would you lash out if someone offended you?

I'll go a bit further, **** it, someone walks past you and your kid and calls them a ****. It's just a word. Do you walk on?
(Used **** just to slap the point across a bit)

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

It is name calling though. Nasty names with weight behind them, but name calling nonetheless.

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It's does it a disservice calling it that.

A lot of bullying is only name calling but has lead to depression and suicide. Saying it's only name calling is an antiquated notion in my opinion, in the long term name calling can have just as much an effect as any sort of violence.

And is there much worse you can call someone that n*gger? Showing utter distain and disrespect for someone and seeing them as a lesser person based on the colour of their skin?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Your trying to say he shouldn't have kicked him..emre offended him so he lashed out.
Would you lash out if someone offended you?

I'll go a bit further, **** it, someone walks past you and your kid and calls them a ****. It's just a word. Do you walk on?
(Used **** just to slap the point across a bit)

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I don't know how I'd react in either of those situations.

What I do know is that if I was to lash out violently I would be in the wrong unless I was trying to protect myself or my kid/wife from physical harm.

If I did lash out, say kicking someone in the bollocks for example, I doubt I'd have the Internet cheering me on and I'd fully expect to be prosecuted by the law for assault and battery, possibly GBH. The police certainly wouldn't take "but he called me a name" as an excuse and rightly so.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It's does it a disservice calling it that.

A lot of bullying is only name calling but has lead to depression and suicide. Saying it's only name calling is an antiquated notion in my opinion, in the long term name calling can have just as much an effect as any sort of violence.

And is there much worse you can call someone that n*gger? Showing utter distain and disrespect for someone and seeing them as a lesser person based on the colour of their skin?

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I agree, it's a terrible name to call someone.

Doesn't give the person carte blanche to physically assault someone though, does it?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I agree, it's a terrible name to call someone.

Doesn't give the person carte blanche to physically assault someone though, does it?

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No it doesn't give carte blanche but a he got a couple of kicks up the arse and he had been asking for it.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I don't know how I'd react in either of those situations.

What I do know is that if I was to lash out violently I would be in the wrong unless I was trying to protect myself or my kid/wife from physical harm.

If I did lash out, say kicking someone in the bollocks for example, I doubt I'd have the Internet cheering me on and I'd fully expect to be prosecuted by the law for assault and battery, possibly GBH. The police certainly wouldn't take "but he called me a name" as an excuse and rightly so.

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Give over mate.

It's not as black and white as that.

If I called you a wanker repeatedly in front of your family and you lashed out, yes you'd get charged, but any reasonable person could justify it.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

No it doesn't give carte blanche but a he got a couple of kicks up the arse and he had been asking for it.

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I'm sure you're able to convince yourself that's a progressive opinion to hold.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Give over mate.

It's not as black and white as that.

If u called you a wanker repeatedly in front of your family and you lashed out, yes you'd get charged, but any reasonable person could justify it.

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Imagine the chaos if the world was actually the way you think it is.

If they had broken his legs or knocked his teeth out or had all surrounded him on the floor kicking him I'd have said different but they give him a couple of hard kicks during a football match because he'd racially abused one of their team mates.

You seem to be having trouble aggregating things. Like calling there is a spectrum of name calling just as there is a spectrum of violence. You wouldn't get charged with assault for booting someone up the arse in the street just as you wouldn't be charged for calling someone a fat git.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I'm sure you're able to convince yourself that's a progressive opinion to hold.

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I don't convince myself that it's falling in line with anything. That's just my opinion that racism is bad and you're asking for it.

Actions have consequences hence why free speech works. You can't say what you want with carte blanche either.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Imagine the chaos if the world was actually the way you think it is.

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And what way do I think it is?

If i call you a **** I deserve a slap.

Call someone ****** they deserve a slap.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

If they had broken his legs or knocked his teeth out or had all surrounded him on the floor kicking him I'd have said different but they give him a couple of hard kicks during a football match because he'd racially abused one of their team mates.

You seem to be having trouble aggregating things. Like calling there is a spectrum of name calling just as there is a spectrum of violence. You wouldn't get charged with assault for booting someone up the arse in the street just as you wouldn't be charged for calling someone a fat git.

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So a kick in the bollocks is a fine retort for calling some a racial name in your book?

And I'm the one "having trouble aggregating things"?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

And what way do I think it is?

If i call you a **** I deserve a slap.

Call someone ****** they deserve a slap.

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Well thankfully I (and the law) disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So a kick in the bollocks is a fine retort for calling some a racial name in your book?

And I'm the one "having trouble aggregating things"?

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Yep completely fine. Just as I wouldn't be against someone getting punched for calling someone a fat **** or slapped for calling someone a slut.

You can't wander through life saying what you want with no consequence.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Well thankfully I (and the law) disagree with you.

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Bore off you ****ing idiot.

There's no place for racism anywhere and his team did well to stand by him.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Well thankfully I (and the law) disagree with you.

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You aren't going to get any reaction from the law for kicking someone in the bollocks after being racially abused.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Bore off you ****ing idiot.

There's no place for racism anywhere and his team did well to stand by him.

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According to your own opinion, I owe you a smack in the mouth for all of the things you've called me in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Yep completely fine. Just as I wouldn't be against someone getting punched for calling someone a fat **** or slapped for calling someone a slut.

You can't wander through life saying what you want with no consequence.

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Yes, this is why we have the law.

As far as being called fat or a slut, luckily most adults can just shake that kind of childish name calling off rather than getting embroiled in violence over something so trivial.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

You aren't going to get any reaction from the law for kicking someone in the bollocks after being racially abused.

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I'm pretty sure you can get charged for assault and battery even if you've been called a nasty name beforehand.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Yes, this is why we have the law.

As far as being called fat or a slut, luckily most adults can just shake that kind of childish name calling off rather than getting embroiled in violence over something so trivial.

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The thing is there wouldn't be any retribution from the law in most cases of calling someone a n*gger hence why they'd get a punch for it.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I'm pretty sure you can get charged for assault and battery even if you've been called a nasty name beforehand.

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For kicking someone a couple of times in the legs and up the arse? You wouldn't get charged with anything.

I've been headbutted and had my nose broken and the guy got arrested and didn't get any charge for that even though it was for no reason at all.

Emre could have said other names but he chose the most offensive one. Expect the most offencive action back. He got off lightly

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The thing is there wouldn't be any retribution from the law in most cases of calling someone a n*gger hence why they'd get a punch for it.

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Well if you think someone deserves to be violently assaulted for calling someone a name then that's your lookout. Thankfully most black people know better than that despite people like you egging them on to do something ridiculous like that.

Here's a guide to reporting hate crime to the police by the citizens advice bureau: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/la...nd-hate-crime/

There's no part in there about giving someone a smack on the nose, surprisingly.

The thing is there are different levels of violent assault so I think someone deserves to be put in hospital for racially abusing someone? No

Would I have any sympathy for anyone who gets punched in the face for racially abusing someone? No

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Originally Posted by joecity

Emre could have said other names but he chose the most offensive one. Expect the most offencive action back. He got off lightly

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Yeah, a kick in the nuts is getting off lightly. He should have been burned at the stake for calling him that nasty name.

How Zokora was able to remain standing after being called that, what with all the weight of history behind it is a testament to how strong he is. Most people would have crumpled to the ground holding their sides in agony after hearing words like that.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The thing is there are different levels of violent assault so I think someone deserves to be put in hospital for racially abusing someone? No

Would I have any sympathy for anyone who gets punched in the face for racially abusing someone? No

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Nor would I. Doesn't make it the correct course of action though, despite what you think.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Yeah, a kick in the nuts is getting off lightly. He should have been burned at the stake for calling him that nasty name.

How Zokora was able to remain standing after being called that, what with all the weight of history behind it is a testament to how strong he is. Most people would have crumpled to the ground holding their sides in agony after hearing words like that.

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I think you just don't understand that calling people certain names is as bad as being assaulted for some people.

In your opinion it might only "be words" but for a lot of people it's more than that.

In my opinion you're making light of racial abuse and being a little ignorant by calling it that. I don't think you're an idiot or anything I just disagree completely with your point of view when it comes to racism.

Fair enough though we are just going round in circles and I don't think there's anything else to be discussed.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Nor would I. Doesn't make it the correct course of action though, despite what you think.

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In an ideal world Emre would have been properly punished for it, the violence came about the next match because he hadn't been punished, showed no remote and even denied saying it.

In the original match there was no violence towards Emre but after that the correct course of action wasn't taken by the authorities so I can understand the other team wanting a little bit of justice even if it wasn't exactly the correct way to go about it.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think you just don't understand that calling people certain names is as bad as being assaulted for some people.

In your opinion it might only "be words" but for a lot of people it's more than that.

In my opinion you're making light of racial abuse and being a little ignorant by calling it that. I don't think you're an idiot or anything I just disagree completely with your point of view when it comes to racism.

Fair enough though we are just going round in circles and I don't think there's anything else to be discussed.

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I see. Does anyone else think that being called certain names is as bad as being physically assaulted? Perhaps we could test it out by having a stranger call you your least favourite name and then kick you in the nuts and you can see for yourself which is worse.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

In an ideal world Emre would have been properly punished for it, the violence came about the next match because he hadn't been punished, showed no remote and even denied saying it.

In the original match there was no violence towards Emre but after that the correct course of action wasn't taken by the authorities so I can understand the other team wanting a little bit of justice even if it wasn't exactly the correct way to go about it.

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So if you don't like the decision of the authorities then you should take matters into your own hands?