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If May remains as PM her remainer pals (and she) will get their way eventually as Brexit will just wither on the vine until it just disappears.
Their worst nightmare is a new PM who is a brexiteer who will see it through.
I read though unless she resigns it’ll be the devils job getting her out.
How can you have been paying attention and think May doesn’t want to leave? Seriously she wants it and it’s happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cretin Hop
That’s not what people voted for though it’s disingenuous to say so. The whole campaign was how easy a good deal would be to get. Some even wanted to remain in the single market.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I don’t think people actually realise quite how bad a no deal could be.
I hope this isn’t going to come across as offensive but in a thread where people are proudly proving how little they know on a subject you’ve just topped the class.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I assume the way you get your news is by reading headline and looking at the picture then just making your mind up.
You are pig ignorant pal.
Why not use reason rather than insults?Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
I think a vote on the final deal (i.e. the reality brexit) is reasonable and probably the right course of action. However I have signed the petition because of how funny it would be to come back on this thread the day after A50 was revoked.
People have been trying that all thread, does it look like it’s worth it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Is this in the non-binding, advisory referendum?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Firstly, around half of leave voters want a deal and the other half don't want a deal. Which group of leave voters are right? I haven't come close to finding an answer to this question. I know no-deal supporters who would be most unhappy if we left with a deal. I know deal supporters who would be most unhappy if we left without a deal. What's the answer to that? May's deal tries to find some middle ground between both camps but fails spectacularly. This means we don't actually know what leave means and when people say all leave voters voted for the same thing, they are talking bollocks. No-deal was never promoted in any manifesto from any leave campaign, they all offered to get a deal that is better than our current deal. Because of this total mess and lack of definition of what leave means, and the warring factions between different groups of leave supporters, there can never be a consensus. Parliament cannot decide because of the lack of a definition of what Brexit means, other than leave.
If there ends up being another referendum, having a straight shootout between remain and leave would be utterly pointless. If leave wins again, we're back at square 1 with different leave voters wanting different flavours of Brexit.
Perhaps such a referendum needs to be a 2-part - remain vs leave, with 2 options for leave of deal vs no deal. That way MPs would have no excuse for not carrying out the will of the people. At present the will of leave voters is split.
Between them, this Government and the DUP have a majority in the house of commons. They can't agree on what Brexit should be. If they could, Brexit would have happened and there would be nothing the remaining parties and MPs could do. If the Government can't decide on what should happen, how can MPs of all parties?
It's interesting that there are no-deal leave voters who would rather us remain in the EU than leave with a deal. There are leave voters who want a deal that would rather remain than leave the EU without a deal.
All of this could have been sorted out had all the negotiations taken place before the referendum and a clear option presented to the electorate. Until leave gets a more specific definition, other than meaning 'leave', the merry-go-round will keep turning and the more people will get pissed off.
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Originally Posted by blue matt
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Originally Posted by rudy gestede
lets break it down for you, just so you can understand, please feel free to raise any issues with the points i have made
Leave or Remain, we voted Leave
the remain campaign told us ( many times ) we could leave without a deal and we would be doomed, Project fear was its nickname, we had it in every walk of life how the UK would crumble if we voted leave, you must have even read the threads on here about it
Leavers took that chance, the cold hard fact is that they did, you might not like it, but the UK voted leave
Oink Oink
shows such intelligent classQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
What benefits do you think leaving will bring us Matt?
You aren’t not remembering it correctly at all, people did not want a no deal because it’s going to be catastrophic for the country. Why do you want leave so bad? What good do you think it’s going to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
The referendum will be a simple one. Revoke A50 - yes or no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Blue passports and a 50p brexit coin, I win :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I cannot understand why people seem so set on it but can’t say why or name one benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
It’s like it’s a football team, people don’t care what happens they just want their team to win.
Let’s petition to get Cardiff playing in the league of wales instead of the premier league. We won’t be governed by the FA any more and for an added bonus we can win the league every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
If it is a no, we've still got the dilemma of what form Brexit should take.Quote:
Originally Posted by JennyWren
She may say she wants to leave (having voted against it initially) but is doing her damnedness to ensure if it is then it’s on remainers terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
If it's no we leave with no deal. The EU are making that clear tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
1) May's deal. IF no deal then
2) No deal or Revocation of Article 50.
Nothing else is on the table anymore unless there is a GE, but of the 650 bastards in there, 600 will be returned with the same agendas.
Have you seen her deal? If you have, then you will understand why leavers and remainers are united in voting against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cretin Hop
No she isn’t, the most likely outcome is no deal. Anyone who thinks she’s trying to stop it isn’t paying attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cretin Hop
We’ll be out by the end of April I’m sure of it. You only have to look what the civil servants and the MPs who work closely with her are saying.
She’s a dangerous arrogant woman who’s only interested in her career and he husband’s bank balance. No Brexit, no career.
She doesn’t have much of a career left after all of this gets sorted, whether that’s her choice or not. She is incredibly arrogant and incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Excellent. In a public vote off between no Brexit and no Deal. there's only one winner. Those whose livelihoods would be knackered by a no-deal Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JennyWren
She'll be in a position where her input is irrelevant and she has to act to save her party from destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
So you don't think leaving with no deal will be a disaster for the country? Serious question. And repeating "we voted leave" doesn't count as an answerQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
It’s not her deal you twats.
It’s the only deal the EU will offer.
Based on her red linesQuote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2
Based on the red lines put in place by her! The EU would happily give us a better deal but the deal she wants doesn’t work for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2
Especially with regards to Ireland.
Remainer's terms? What does that even mean? The brexit that remainer's wanted? What, leaving the customs union and single market?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cretin Hop
I think the media in this country have spun things so much that people genuinely believe stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
To gain controlQuote:
Originally Posted by rs3100
Step 1: Leave the EU
Step 2: Vote for a government that will serve it's citizens
What do you think the EU are stopping us doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
More reasoned debate...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2
The thread is full of reasoned debate, are you just quoting the 2 insult so you can have an air of superiority over the 2 people swearing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
It isn't just about what they are stopping us doing, its about having some other authority that has powers to prevent our government enacting laws for our people and having last say in our national affairs at different levels.
I do not like the fact that some foreign judges, some if not all of whom are political appointees can overrule judgements handed down in british courts by british judges to and for british people.
I don't like that fact that the common agricultural policy is in serious need of review but it never happens because the french are held to ransom by their farmers and veto changes.
I do not like the fact that France subsidises its major companies contrary to EU policy and no one stops them.
I do not like the fact that we put more money into the EU that we take out and we are subsidisiing countries that cannot or will not run their economies within manageable figures, like Italy and Greece..
Whilst on the subject, if we contribute more than we take out how can it be categorically untrue that they are just giving us our own money beck?
I don't like how the fishing regulations favours spanish ships fishing in our waters and that they have a bigger say in the policy because they eat a lot of fish.
I do not like the way that EU countries ignore the law that says refugeees must be registered for asylum in the first country they enter, and allow them to just cross the whole of Europe to get to UK. And the EU takes no action against them for doing it. In fact they tried to penalise Italy when as a Sovereign state they prevented refugee ships from docking. Hungary (I think it was) had to build a fence to keep them out because other countries weren't acting on the first country rule and they got into trouble with the EU for their actions to protect, as they saw it, their own country.
Exchanging insults debases any debate and achieves absolutely nothing. In fact, it detracts from valid points that could be made in a more reasonable manner. Calling each other twats or similar hardly wins an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Over 2 million signatures...
All this talk about why people voted and Project Fear, it makes me think how strange it is that illegal immigration went from being massive news, constantly on the front pages in the first half of 2016 to rarely mentioned at all I the second half.
Only 17million out of about 46m eligible to vote actually voted to leave and there was nothing in the bill that called the referendum saying it was binding. It was one of Cameron's cock ups. It is usual to have minimum turnouts and to specify that not only must the minimum turnout must met but there must be a majority of at least 60% for the referendum to be binding. If Cameron had enacted that we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
PS MPs don't normally vote as they see fit, they vote according to how they are whipped by their party.