Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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13-12-19, 03:52
NYCBlue

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

You seem to think very little of the public's ability to think for themselves.

Don't you?
13-12-19, 03:54
Organ Morgan.

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

And now Jo Swinson has gone!!

Sludge will be inconsolable about the Lib Dem leader's loss of her seat. He's no fan of her politics but he'll sorely miss the sight of her massive mammaries.
13-12-19, 06:19
The Bloop

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I reckon cardiff north will go tory and gower in swansea

Thankfully Anna McMorrin seemed to buck the trend and actually increased her majority.
13-12-19, 07:21
JDerrida

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

[QUOTE=Eric the Half a Bee;5028539]No, but they control the thoughts of

Vindec pretty much sums it up.

Accept the results like a man, like some of the decent Labour MP's who seem to realise where they have gone monumentally wrong, instead of blaming everyone else.

If Labour can rid themselves of their hard left and concentrate on some of the excellent, realistic and honest MP's they have and build around that, then they have grounds to rise from these ashes and take the Conservatives to task at the next elections.

The size of defeat could be the saving of the Labour party in the longer term.
13-12-19, 07:23
Jordi Culé

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

It's too early to make judgements yet, but if the exit poll is anything like right, then I'm not sure the result can be "blamed" on one generation. For an outcome like the predicted one to happen, I would have thought most age groups would have had to have favoured the Conservatives and there might have been more than expected remain voters who thought the Referendum vote had to be honoured no matter what.

I'll concede my opinion is more anecdotal than evidenced by statistics but I'll wager that it'll be the older age groups that have voted for a lying, racist buffoon to run the country.

I agree that the subject of Brexit has also influenced strongly the results. Personally, I'm a remainder but think the referendum result should have been honoured even though I think the campaign was littered with lies. Similarly the Tory campaign for the GE has also been littered with mistruths and avoiding scrutiny. Politics today seems to be more about populism than policies?

What a ****ing country.
13-12-19, 07:34
JDerrida

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Populism is about offering the people everything for free.
A lot of young people and gullible believed the false promises of Corbyn.
The vast majority can see that this country would be bankrupt in no time and inflation would have risen to above 15% within 2 years.
This along with reneging on the Brexit referendum.
Along with the vile creatures that are Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell.

Labour have had their worst results since the 1930's in spite of:

Johnson
9 years of mainly necessary austerity
Biased TV coverage in favour Labour and remain
Apparently Conservatives and Brexiteers being uncaring and as Steve Coogan said, ignorant and ill informed.

Used to like Coogan, but as his alter ego would say, we had the last laugh. Take your foot out of your mouth and shove it up your backside Steve 🤣

This morning I am so very proud of my Britain, our wonderful Britain 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
13-12-19, 07:44
WJ99mobile

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Nice to have politics back on the main board
13-12-19, 07:44
WJ99mobile

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Didn’t vote labour but I actually like Corbyn. Tried to make the country a better place but no one likes massive change
13-12-19, 07:57
Dave Blue

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by JDerrida

Populism is about offering the people everything for free.
A lot of young people and gullible believed the false promises of Corbyn.
The vast majority can see that this country would be bankrupt in no time and inflation would have risen to above 15% within 2 years.
This along with reneging on the Brexit referendum.
Along with the vile creatures that are Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell.

Labour have had their worst results since the 1930's in spite of:

Johnson
9 years of mainly necessary austerity
Biased TV coverage in favour Labour and remain
Apparently Conservatives and Brexiteers being uncaring and as Steve Coogan said, ignorant and ill informed.

Used to like Coogan, but as his alter ego would say, we had the last laugh. Take your foot out of your mouth and shove it up your backside Steve 🤣

This morning I am so very proud of my Britain, our wonderful Britain 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

I don’t agree with anything you have said but biased TV coverage in favour of Labour and Remain has got to be the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard.
13-12-19, 08:14
BLUETIT

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Thankfully Anna McMorrin seemed to buck the trend and actually increased her majority.

Her voting numbers were actually down, she only increased her % win because of people voting for Lib Dem’s and the Brexit party.

The ,Conservative fellas numbers were up
13-12-19, 08:28
goats

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Didn’t vote labour but I actually like Corbyn. Tried to make the country a better place but no one likes massive change

Nice people don’t fit in in politics here, or in society maybe? We are too brutal and greedy here these days
13-12-19, 08:33
dml1954

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I'll concede my opinion is more anecdotal than evidenced by statistics but I'll wager that it'll be the older age groups that have voted for a lying, racist buffoon to run the country.

I agree that the subject of Brexit has also influenced strongly the results. Personally, I'm a remainder but think the referendum result should have been honoured even though I think the campaign was littered with lies. Similarly the Tory campaign for the GE has also been littered with mistruths and avoiding scrutiny. Politics today seems to be more about populism than policies?

What a ****ing country.

And presumably you don't think that Corbyn is a racist or liar, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
13-12-19, 08:36
dml1954

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Because of his policies or because people have been swayed by the media opinions on his policies, especially tax evasion and making the most wealthy pay?

You really have fallen hook, line and sinker for all the crap pedalled by Momentum, Corbyn and Mcdonnell haven't you.
13-12-19, 08:53
Hilts

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by dml1954

You really have fallen hook, line and sinker for all the crap pedalled by Momentum, Corbyn and Mcdonnell haven't you.

Or in your case the Daily Mail.
13-12-19, 08:58
Hilts

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Corbyn has to resign. Talk of a time of quiet reflection is worrying. The hard left of the party need to be removed urgently.

Labour put up a good leader and there can be a massive turnaround by the next election. Another from the hard left and the party could be finished.

We are going to have 5 more years of austerity and cuts. Labour need to fight back now.
13-12-19, 09:00
the other bob wilson

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I'll concede my opinion is more anecdotal than evidenced by statistics but I'll wager that it'll be the older age groups that have voted for a lying, racist buffoon to run the country.

I agree that the subject of Brexit has also influenced strongly the results. Personally, I'm a remainder but think the referendum result should have been honoured even though I think the campaign was littered with lies. Similarly the Tory campaign for the GE has also been littered with mistruths and avoiding scrutiny. Politics today seems to be more about populism than policies?

What a ****ing country.

I see Corbyn loyalists are blaming Brexit for the election outcome. I'd say they are right to do so, but what they are not comprehending is that it is their Brexit policy which has cost them. All the Conservatives did was increase their vote by around 1.5%, a far bigger contribution to the result was Labour's decline from 40% of the vote in 2017 to 32.2% this time around. I think Corbyn should go much sooner rather than later because his strategy (and the public perception is that it was his strategy) saw his party losing support among remainers as well as leavers.

What I failed to understand in 2016 and still don't understand now is that the difference makers in the Referendum were working class people in what were Labour strongholds. It seems to me that they voted Leave because of a "my life is shit" sentiment, but it baffles me why they would hold the EU and the main opposition party responsible for that, rather than the Government of this country in which the Conservative party had been a constant factor for six years at the time of the vote.

However, that's what they did and what they have done again, so I think those of us in England and Wales especially who want to get the Conservative party out have to try and find out why ex mining communities see the need to "get Brexit done" as a higher priority than getting rid of a party that has historically been despised in such areas.

Like you, I voted Remain in 2016, albeit reluctantly, but although I'm convinced that the 17.4 million voted for stacks of different versions of Brexit in the Referendum, the democracy being denied argument they came out with was, for me, a very hard one to counter, so I had made up my mind to vote Leave in the event of a second vote.

I'm extremely disappointed with the election result, but the truth is that my main motivation was to try and keep the Torys out and that was the reason I voted Labour rather than a desire to see them win - if I had been living in Scotland, I would definitely have voted SNP and, if Corbyn outstays his welcome in a bid to get more of the same in terms of the party leadership, then Plaid will start looking an increasingly attractive option for me.
13-12-19, 09:02
life on mars

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Thankfully Anna McMorrin seemed to buck the trend and actually increased her majority.

I knew should she would win Anna is what I view a Labour MP should look and sound like .
13-12-19, 09:02
The Bloop

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Her voting numbers were actually down, she only increased her % win because of people voting for Lib Dem’s and the Brexit party.

The ,Conservative fellas numbers were up

She got 17 just fewer votes this time. The Tory vote didnt go up - it fell by almost 3000 with the Brexit party candidate just getting 1311. The Lib Dem candidate endorsed Anna McMorrin a few days ago, but I think it was too late to have a big impact.
Mo Ali was the only candidate not to turn up at last weeks hastings which didn't do him any favours.
13-12-19, 09:03
The Lone Gunman

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

The Conservative fellas numbers were up

In the 2017 election, the Conservatives got 21,907 votes in Cardiff North.

In the 2019 election, the Conservatives got 19,082 votes in Cardiff North.

In summary, the Conservative fella's numbers weren't up. On the contrary, they were down.
13-12-19, 09:07
JDerrida

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Or in your case the Daily Mail.

17.4 million Daily Mail readers in 2016 and similar today?

Learn from the catastrophic mistakes regarding your party
13-12-19, 09:07
life on mars

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Corbyn has to resign. Talk of a time of quiet reflection is worrying. The hard left of the party need to be removed urgently.

Labour put up a good leader and there can be a massive turnaround by the next election. Another from the hard left and the party could be finished.

We are going to have 5 more years of austerity and cuts. Labour need to fight back now.

If Boris deploys that austerity tactic he knows he's done in the next election , as he stated he has borrowed Labour votes not on his popularity, but on the dislike of Corbynism and ignoring a democratic vote .

We await to see what happens ??

Bring on Yvette Cooper, pick a lady to lead , change your tact, you have my and many others votes back .
13-12-19, 09:10
goats

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In the 2017 election, the Conservatives got 21,907 votes in Cardiff North.

In the 2019 election, the Conservatives got 19,082 votes in Cardiff North.

In summary, the Conservative fella's numbers weren't up. On the contrary, they were down.

He was never going going to pull the many old and well off in north Cardiff, if they’d had a more traditional Tory boy they prob would have flown it, as they have win it before.
13-12-19, 09:12
Hilts

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by life on mars

If Boris deploys that austerity tactic he knows he's done in the next election , as he stated he has borrowed Labour votes not on his popularity, but on the dislike of Corbynism and ignoring a democratic vote .

We await to see what happens ??

Bring on Yvette Cooper, pick a lady to lead , change your tact, you have my and many others votes back .

The austerity will continue. If Corbyn is allowed time to reflect , blame brexit for this result and allow the unions and membership to elect someone else from the hard left then 5 years will turn to 10.

To blame brexit as well is pathetic. Under his watch Labour heartlands voted on mass to leave. The campaign to remain under him was pathetic.
13-12-19, 09:14
blue matt

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

This Election was always going to be about Brexit, Leave won the 1st Vote and they have won this general Election

I have spoken to Die hard Lib Dem voters, they still talk of Paddy ashdown as the greatest PM that never was, the choice around here is Lib dems or Tories, last time around i voted Lib Dems to try and keep the Tories out, most of these people voted Remain, but they are elderly and hated this Brexit fiasco, they think the county voted leave, so lets leave, democracy was more important to then, they voted for the Tories
13-12-19, 09:15
The Lone Gunman

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by goats

He was never going going to pull the many old and well off in north Cardiff, if they’d had a more traditional Tory boy they prob would have flown it, as they have win it before.

They had a more traditional Tory boy last time out. He was soundly beaten. Anna has proved popular in Cardiff North. Plenty of people (including me) have voted for her this time around despite Corbyn. The fact that she's opposed him on several occasions has helped.
13-12-19, 09:15
BLUETIT

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In the 2017 election, the Conservatives got 21,907 votes in Cardiff North.

In the 2019 election, the Conservatives got 19,082 votes in Cardiff North.

In summary, the Conservative fella's numbers weren't up. On the contrary, they were down.

My bad, I saw all the + signs on the other 4 parties and with only just getting up and no coffee down me, made a boo boo.

Labour % down though
13-12-19, 09:18
blue matt

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

What I failed to understand in 2016 and still don't understand now is that the difference makers in the Referendum were working class people in what were Labour strongholds. It seems to me that they voted Leave because of a "my life is shit" sentiment, but it baffles me why they would hold the EU and the main opposition party responsible for that, rather than the Government of this country in which the Conservative party had been a constant factor for six years at the time of the vote.

When people have had enough, they want a change, just like the US did, the status quo wasnt working for them, thats why they voted in Trump

Now I am not saying its right, but it appears to me that is the way it went
13-12-19, 09:20
Hilts

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by JDerrida

17.4 million Daily Mail readers in 2016 and similar today?

Learn from the catastrophic mistakes regarding your party

I wasnt referring to the referendum more the wind up ID account of DML on his Corbyn comments.

In fact I believe most of the hard left wanted to leave.
13-12-19, 09:23
Hilts

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by blue matt

When people have had enough, they want a change, just like the US did, the status quo wasnt working for them, thats why they voted in Trump

Now I am not saying its right, but it appears to me that is the way it went

You are correct. My worry is Corbyn will hang on while a suitable candidate from his wing of the party is found and they convince themselves they can win after what will be 5 years of hardship.
13-12-19, 09:25
Feedback

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

That's utter shit. There's lots of support for Labour policies but the media and the establishment runs the country.

you've got your head up your arse if you believe that. Labour support has collapsed.

The UK is right leaning, it always has been. The best Labour have ever done was under Blair with centrist/centre left policies. Hard left policies in the UK just don't cut it.
13-12-19, 09:27
Feedback

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I'm not. Blind policy tests keep showing that Labour policies are more popular than Tory policies. Most of the print media is owned by Tory donors. The Tories are the establishment.

What bits of this do you disagree with?

all of it. the polls don't lie.
13-12-19, 09:28
Feedback

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

No it doesn't, it proves it. Policies don't matter. If they were allowed to matter, different story.

you do the electorate a disservice bu suggesting that they aren't intelligent enough to form their own opinion. That's quite a conceited viewpoint you have there.
13-12-19, 09:31
Feedback

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Maybe true, but are you saying that has got nothing to do with a 4 year media demolition campaign?

I think its more to do with his courting of terrorists, his lack of action regarding the rampant anti-semitism within his party and the hard left policies taken straight from the 1970s, which most people wish to steer clear of
13-12-19, 09:32
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Get corbyn and momentum out

If labour doesn't learn from this hammering then they are finished

In my opinion I think there is room for an anything but conservative party , a sort of rainbow coalition

But what can you do about people who are going to be shafted by the conservatives .......voting conservative ?

getting rid of corbyn is only the start

One of the leaders of momentum is on TV now , she's in denial
13-12-19, 09:33
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by blue matt

This Election was always going to be about Brexit, Leave won the 1st Vote and they have won this general Election

I have spoken to Die hard Lib Dem voters, they still talk of Paddy ashdown as the greatest PM that never was, the choice around here is Lib dems or Tories, last time around i voted Lib Dems to try and keep the Tories out, most of these people voted Remain, but they are elderly and hated this Brexit fiasco, they think the county voted leave, so lets leave, democracy was more important to then, they voted for the Tories

and there's me thinking that all those leave voters had been duped 3 yrs ago and had now been 'enlightened' to the errors of their ways.
Probably election result had a lot to do with a creepy old man handing out 'sweets' to the electorate every day for 12 weeks and expecting ordinary folk who have to budget monthly to believe him..
13-12-19, 09:35
City123

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Blyth valley , former mining town has gone tory

Fecking disaster

They should be ashamed of themselves
13-12-19, 09:37
the other bob wilson

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue matt

When people have had enough, they want a change, just like the US did, the status quo wasnt working for them, thats why they voted in Trump

Now I am not saying its right, but it appears to me that is the way it went

I understand that, but why is the EU and Labour considered the establishment and not the Government of this country?
13-12-19, 09:42
City123

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I understand that, but why is the EU and Labour considered the establishment and not the Government of this country?

I'm inclined to say its the pro-Tory bias in our media

The idea that Eton educated, former Bullingdon Club member Boris Johnson isn't the establishment is laughable
13-12-19, 09:43
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I see Corbyn loyalists are blaming Brexit for the election outcome. I'd say they are right to do so, but what they are not comprehending is that it is their Brexit policy which has cost them. All the Conservatives did was increase their vote by around 1.5%, a far bigger contribution to the result was Labour's decline from 40% of the vote in 2017 to 32.2% this time around. I think Corbyn should go much sooner rather than later because his strategy (and the public perception is that it was his strategy) saw his party losing support among remainers as well as leavers.

What I failed to understand in 2016 and still don't understand now is that the difference makers in the Referendum were working class people in what were Labour strongholds. It seems to me that they voted Leave because of a "my life is shit" sentiment, but it baffles me why they would hold the EU and the main opposition party responsible for that, rather than the Government of this country in which the Conservative party had been a constant factor for six years at the time of the vote.

However, that's what they did and what they have done again, so I think those of us in England and Wales especially who want to get the Conservative party out have to try and find out why ex mining communities see the need to "get Brexit done" as a higher priority than getting rid of a party that has historically been despised in such areas.

Like you, I voted Remain in 2016, albeit reluctantly, but although I'm convinced that the 17.4 million voted for stacks of different versions of Brexit in the Referendum, the democracy being denied argument they came out with was, for me, a very hard one to counter, so I had made up my mind to vote Leave in the event of a second vote.

I'm extremely disappointed with the election result, but the truth is that my main motivation was to try and keep the Torys out and that was the reason I voted Labour rather than a desire to see them win - if I had been living in Scotland, I would definitely have voted SNP and, if Corbyn outstays his welcome in a bid to get more of the same in terms of the party leadership, then Plaid will start looking an increasingly attractive option for me.

Bl**dy hell. You want to get off those hills and come back to civilization..
13-12-19, 09:46
Hilts

Re: Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Get corbyn and momentum out

If labour doesn't learn from this hammering then they are finished

In my opinion I think there is room for an anything but conservative party , a sort of rainbow coalition

But what can you do about people who are going to be shafted by the conservatives .......voting conservative ?

getting rid of corbyn is only the start

One of the leaders of momentum is on TV now , she's in denial

This. Couldnt agree more.

I cant watch the news. If this woman has retained her seat she should resign and allow someone like Caroline Flint who has lost her seat to stand in a by election.

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