It is often funny when a self-confessed wind up merchant goes all in playing snowflake poker!
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Not everything has to have a point.
I wind up, also on the receiving end of wind ups, not everything has to be 100 % serious but ocassionly it is, I would like the Iranians set free from their brutal regime. If its orange man bad that gets the ball rolling then so be it. Who was on the plane that the Iranians didn't want leaving? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
God knows who was on the plane I wish I knew as , there was newlyweds, a family of four, a mother and her daughters, students.
I just feel sorry for the innocent, and the real people of Iran , who are now bravely on the streets protesting , they have my upmost respect and admitation , and lets be fair (hope you agree ) they are braver than any of us , and our casual throw away comments and judgements . 👍
Is that all you got ,come on add some substance ,wtf is snowflake poker, is it a thing , surely you can apply more depth to your response .
I know the election is over and your hurting ,Insee fruit loop Trump is still lingering , you must have something in yer anti western locker ?
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...ran-planned-to
Pentagon chief says he 'didn't see' intelligence suggesting Iran planned to attack four US embassies
This is the intel that we keep hearing about from the experts on here. The Secretary of Defence - I repeat - THE SECRETARY OF DEFENCE says that he didn't see any intelligence about attacks on embassies, but Trump said that there "probably" "could" have been attacks... and that's now enough proof to order a strike on a foreign target and send troops to the Middle East (the region that the resident Trumpists praised him for removing troops from a few months ago when he stabbed the Kurds in the back in order to suck up to Turkey).Quote:
“What the president said was he believed there probably and could've been attacks against additional embassies. I shared that view. I know other members of the national security team shared that view. That’s why I deployed thousands of American paratroopers to the Middle East to reinforce our embassy in Baghdad and other sites throughout the region,” Esper said.
He added that Trump did not cite a “specific piece of evidence.”
“Are you saying there wasn't one?” host Margaret Brennan asked.
“I didn't see one with regard to four embassies,” Esper responded. “What I’m saying is I share the president's view.”
In the words of our resident nutter... this is just the beginning. Get ready for the real show.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...k-in-politics/
Yikes. That's damning.
(in before WB and Nelson - "CNN :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: " even though it's an interview with Esper :hehe:)
I wonder if, on a Tehran FC message board, there's someone desperately trying to convince that the current protestors have been bussed in and given expenses for the day.
So were the protesters bussed in to protest about the shooting down of the plane? :sherlock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNG3masj1Ek
Let's take it all at face value and assume everything to be true.
There were four embassies under threat. At Wednesdays security briefing with the 'Gang of Eight' members of Congress, this was deemed so secret that it shouldn't be shared with them in case it revealed sources and methods to them. (As Esper said in a CBS interview https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ntv/index.html)
But by Friday, it was fine for Trump to tell the world?
Surely even the most gullible and sycophantic of Trump's fans (maybe we have one or two here who could help out) can't see this doesn't add up.
There is a reasonable bit of meat there to get your teeth into. You said intelligence sources from NATOME countries provided the evidence of the imminent threat that Suleimani was posing which justified his assassination. Trump went on Fox News to say that this imminent threat involved attacks on four US embassies.
His own Secretary of Defense said he had no evidence of this. Congressmen and Senators from both sides of the aisle said that nowhere in the inadequate intelligence briefings that they received from the Trump administration did this appear.
Until now you have railed against flimsy or false reasons for warlike acts. You said you stopped voting Labour after Blair and Iraq. This follows a similar pattern and we know how your truffle hound mind loves a pattern. Why not do some digging and put your sceptical mind at rest rather than superficial responses that sit 180 degrees from your previous reactions?
Without a sense of irony, the guy who used to trawl the depths of the internet for his information now says if you challenge something in a white house press release or trump speech you should move to Tehran.
18 months since I last engaged with him, but I see my stalker's fascination with me continues.
I post and he replies in three minutes, then again 11 minutes later.
I post once more and he replies in ten minutes.
How long will he take this time? Let's start the clock.
The orange fruit loops actions might bring an end to a state that clearly breaches human rights breaches recognized by Iranians , international human right activists, historians scholars and writers all around the world .
I'm sure the current protesters in the streets of Iran wont be voting for Trump or singing his name anytime soon ,they just seek a decent life away for a controlled state , anyone with a decent heart and mind woudl recognise and wish for that .
Iran is criticized for restrictions and punishments that follow the Islamic Republic's constitution and law, and for actions by state actors such as the torture, rape, and killing of political prisoners, and the beatings and killings of dissidents and other civilians.
Restrictions and punishments in the Islamic Republic of Iran violates international human rights , it has very include harsh penalties for crimes, punishment of victim less crimes ,such as fornication and homosexuality, execution of offenders under 18 years of age, restrictions on freedom of speech and the press (including the imprisonment of journalists), restrictions on freedom of religion and gender equality in the Islamic Republic's Constitution (especially attacks on members of the Bahá'í religion).
Abuses falling outside of the laws of the Islamic Republic that are condemned by most people , include the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988, and the widespread use of torture to extract repudiations by prisoners of their cause and comrades on video for propaganda purposes.[3] Also condemned has been firebombings of newspaper offices and attacks on political protesters by "quasi-official organs of repression," particularly "Hezbollahi," and the murder of dozens of government opponents in the 1990s, allegedly by "rogue elements" of the government.
There has actually been celebration in Syria , Iraq and within the region , to the killing of Qasem Soleimani s Iran regional expansion is not universally liked its like the old days of SAVAK secret police and torture has been reborn In outside Iran.
How anyone cannot see the awful regime that exists , run by a barbaric leaders , is beyond me , they make Trump look sane ,and god that takes some doing
You disappoint me. I thought you were above this kind of comment?
Oh sorry you just tell everyone that you're above it.
Do you have any thoughts on why Trump was telling all and sundry intelligence that was deemed far too sensitive to disclose to those with high clearance?
If you do, your little buddy would love some help.
By any standards the Iranian regime scores pretty low when it comes to political freedom and the civil liberties of its citizens. Indeed this is borne out by the annual evaluation done by the US-based organisation Freedom House which classifies Iran as one of the least free countries globally.
https://freedomhouse.org/report/coun...d-freedom-2019
Interestingly when you look regionally then it scores higher than most of its neighbours such as Yemen, Bahrain, UAE and of course Saudi Arabia. I recall your reaction to a punishment by the world's policemen for the murder of the US/Saudi journalist recently by a regime considered to have a worse record on human rights and freedoms for its citizens as a little more muted. Something along the lines of:
Do agree, big spying partner in that area as well as trade and oil supply , need to be careful what we wish for .
Presumably based on the conclusion that they may be sons of bitches but their our sons of bitches. So once you strip away the crocodile tears for the plight of the Iranian people you are left with whether the decision to take out Suleimani was forced because of an identified imminent threat or not.
Since Trump's derided 4 embassy justification then the language coming out of the Trump administration is changing. There are reports that it had been sanctioned in principle since June 2019. We have Trump saying now that it didn't matter whether he posed an imminent threat or not and Pompeo briefing that it was part of a wider strategy of deterrent.
If you don't care whether the assassination was worth the escalation of regional tension and the perpetrators have not been able to stick to a straight story in its justification fair enough. Just try not to bleat about the plight of the Iranian people when you seem happy that their next door neighbours have fewer rights and freedoms but its ok because they spy and buy arms and Harrods hampers off us!
Well its hard to see you mention the poor Iranian people until now ?? lots of anti western shit though
The assassination was worth ,was worth it , however in your eyes it was carried out be the wrong president and political party which is obvious you dislike and clouds your every judgement and comment along with your TDS Issues.
Interesting development .
Another wait and see moment happening
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51104579
European powers have triggered a formal dispute mechanism over Iran's breaches of key parts of the 2015 nuclear deal - a move that could spell its end.
Iran has gradually lifted all limits on its production of enriched uranium, which can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear weapons.
It has said it is entitled to do so in response to sanctions reinstated by the US when it abandoned the deal in 2018.
France, Germany and the UK said they did not accept Iran's argument.
The mechanism, set out in article 36 of the deal, involves the dispute being referred to a Joint Commission that will have a minimum of 15 days to resolve the issue.
If the complainants are still not satisfied, they can refer the matter to the UN Security Council, which could vote to reimpose any sanctions lifted under the deal.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and...anian-missiles
Guess we wont get much hysteria over this report , as we need to point the finger at a country that zapped a terrorists .