A challenge to Organ Morgan

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

That isn't respectful at all.

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Hurrah! At last! The sound of a dropping penny.....

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Plenty of crackpots are intelligent individuals who have been successful in life, but then you didn't need me to tell you that.

Plenty of ***** are also intelligent individuals who have been successful in life, but then you didn't need me to tell you that either.

Incidentally, like millions of other people in this country and beyond, I have no faith in Boris Johnson's administration whatsoever. I'm not sure what has led you to believe that anyone has to have faith in the Tories in order for them to acknowledge the threat posed by the Coronavirus and to act accordingly. That's another weird leap you've made.

Why hasn't the British government done what the Chinese government did? I don't know. I'm not a Number 10 insider.

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You advocate for social distancing, the closure of pubs, restaurants and other businesses deemed not essential and restrictions imposed upon citizens' liberties, which includes yours of course. Not unnaturally I presumed you were a true believer in whatever .gov deem necessary as you haven't criticised anything they have done and offer no opinion on masks which appeared to be astonishingly successful in China with just 3.5K deaths from a population of 1.4 billion.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Hurrah! At last! The sound of a dropping penny.....

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You've gone back to being incoherent again. Either that, or you take pride in being a disrespectful person.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You advocate for social distancing

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Not quite, he has been inconsistent in this as he is with many other things.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

You've gone back to being incoherent again. Either that, or you take pride in being a disrespectful person.

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So everybody should automatically be respected?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You advocate for social distancing, the closure of pubs, restaurants and other businesses deemed not essential and restrictions imposed upon citizens' liberties, which includes yours of course. Not unnaturally I presumed you were a true believer in whatever .gov deem necessary as you haven't criticised anything they have done and offer no opinion on masks which appeared to be astonishingly successful in China with just 3.5K deaths from a population of 1.4 billion.

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It's a massive leap to presume somebody who is in fact heeding the scientific advice from experts all over the world, is instead listening to Boris and his cast of Tory twats. You've got me mixed up with our friend CCFCC3PO, which is not only unfortunate but it's more insulting than anything I've said to you in recent days.

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

So everybody should automatically be respected?

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That should be the default position surely?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You advocate for social distancing, the closure of pubs, restaurants and other businesses deemed not essential and restrictions imposed upon citizens' liberties, which includes yours of course. Not unnaturally I presumed you were a true believer in whatever .gov deem necessary as you haven't criticised anything they have done and offer no opinion on masks which appeared to be astonishingly successful in China with just 3.5K deaths from a population of 1.4 billion.

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I wouldn’t believe figures China put out but they locked down wuhan and implemented social distancing after death “30”.

Even though they’re lying about their numbers they still started the process a lot earlier than we did. As mentioned previously we were told to start measures at the start of February and we didn’t.

I don’t criticise the government’s current measures as they are the only thing stopping a very high number of deaths. I criticise them waiting so long to do something that these totalitarian measures were needed.

Heading towards the worst hit country in Europe. The so called lockdown probably came too late. Time for more restrictions?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

You've gone back to being incoherent again. Either that, or you take pride in being a disrespectful person.

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Here's an idea for you: stop attempting to engage with me. The truth is I have no interest in you whatsoever. I think you're an utter fool and a really, really boring one at that. This thread wasn't intended for your attention, so why not go and post on a thread where people do want to engage with you? There are plenty of them.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I'd forcibly quarantine those adjudged to be at severest risk if it was a HCID rather than this present route. I read earlier - but haven't researched as yet whether it's accurate - that 95% of UK dead thus far have been those aged over 65.

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You said a week ago that you would only quarantine those showing symptoms of the virus. Why the change?

Even with this route the number of infections and people needing hospital treatment would be high enough to have way more people needing hospital treatment than could be treated surely?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It's a massive leap to presume somebody who is in fact heeding the scientific advice from experts all over the world, is instead listening to Boris and his cast of Tory twats. You've got me mixed up with our friend CCFCC3PO, which is not only unfortunate but it's more insulting than anything I've said to you in recent days.

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I don't think he has. I think I have passed an opinion on masks (not much scientific evidence on their effectiveness, and they are best kept for people on the front line). The fact that isolation has been used as a tool to defeat pandemics throughout history, and is the advice of scientific experts means that I think this is the best way forward. Judging by your outcry over people visiting parks, and people cycling I think it is something we agreed on, although I suspect the concept that we can agree on some subjects and not others may be one that you will be unable to grasp

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Heading towards the worst hit country in Europe. The so called lockdown probably came too late. Time for more restrictions?

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I think at this rate they are going to have to do something. Probably something similar to France.

People keep quoting that it’s mostly only 65s dying. My questions to those are:

Does that mean they think we should be able to go around as normal as people over 65 are old enough to die?

Do they not realise that lots of people under 65 need ICU admittance and would still over whelm the hospitals?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

That should be the default position surely?

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Not really, no. You earn respect.

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

Not really, no. You earn respect.

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Not to get into this ridiculous argument, but you don’t treat anyone with respect unless you know them if you take this approach.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Here's an idea for you: stop attempting to engage with me. The truth is I have no interest in you whatsoever. I think you're an utter fool and a really, really boring one at that. This thread wasn't intended for your attention, so why not go and post on a thread where people do want to engage with you? There are plenty of them.

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You are jibbering now. You have "no interest" in me, yet have gone through my posting history, the date I've joined and so on. I'll carry on posting in this thread, if it is all the same with you. Why? Because I am interested in why Organ Morgan has the views he does have. I am also interested in why you have very few views on anything, other than character assassinations, at all. Hopefully the football will start soon, and you can get back to boycotting the football club from the Bob Bank.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Not to get into this ridiculous argument, but you don’t treat anyone with respect unless you know them if you take this approach.

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Not at all. Just because you don't point out someone is a blithering cockwomble from day one doesn't mean you respect them.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

You said a week ago that you would only quarantine those showing symptoms of the virus. Why the change?

Even with this route the number of infections and people needing hospital treatment would be high enough to have way more people needing hospital treatment than could be treated surely?

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You're mistaken. I didn't state that last week or any other week.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You're mistaken. I didn't state that last week or any other week.

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Well....

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

So we would be better off not having a quaratine and everyone going about their daily business as usual then?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I'd go for isolating the already ill - whether elderly or not - route rather than the path being taken. To me it's the lesser of two evils. I'm amongst a small minority though.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

But there is a good chance people who aren't showing symptoms have the virus and are contangeous though, you're going to end up with loads more ill and loads more needing to use the ICU in that case.

Italy and Spain isolated anyone showing symptoms initially and it didn't do any good there, why would it work here?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

As I said, lesser of two evils. Trump's been struggling to convey the same message re the cure being worse than the disease.

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Even if we change what you’re saying to “high risk” there are still so many flaws that we’d end up with a load of deaths.

You’d end up with a massive amount of people infected and hospitals being overwhelmed meaning already ill people couldn’t be treated.

Can you just please tell me you understand that direct death rate isn’t the reason behind the lockdown?

Also Trump was struggling to convey the same message and they’re the only country more ****ed than us.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Well....

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Well, it's plain it's in the context as was explicitly stated, the lesser of two evils and better than reducing the economy to a smoking ruin.

Can you imagine what that would look like? Desperate people commit violent crimes. Once every business premises had been looted, or too well guarded by the military (as Martial Law would have been enforced by then), gangs would form to kick in the doors of their neighbours to rob them and Christ knows what else.

It's great to bang on about saving lives by doing what has never been done before holds far greater risks (my opinion) but few are prepared to consider what life would become for themselves and theirs with a shell of an economy. Do you think you'll be sat at home unemployed with a stoic stiff upper lip with the power grid either down or outages every day and afraid to venture out in search of food?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Well, it's plain it's in the context as was explicitly stated, the lesser of two evils and better than reducing the economy to a smoking ruin.

Can you imagine what that would look like? Desperate people commit violent crimes. Once every business premises had been looted, or too well guarded by the military (as Martial Law would have been enforced by then), gangs would form to kick in the doors of their neighbours to rob them and Christ knows what else.

It's great to bang on about saving lives by doing what has never been done before holds far greater risks (my opinion) but few are prepared to consider what life would become for themselves and theirs with a shell of an economy. Do you think you'll be sat at home unemployed with a stoic stiff upper lip with the power grid either down or outages every day and afraid to venture out in search of food?

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But you did say, repeatedly, the thing you claimed you've never said, right?

There has been an interview aired by the BBC a few times today (it was just on) perhaps it been on many times before its just unusual for me to be listening to the BBC. Bill Gates wants a world vaccination, a vaccine would normally take 5 years (he wants it in 18 months) and accepts the quality control wouldn't be as it should!!!, and would like indemnification of the companies (his) who would produce his vaccine. Are you all prepared to bend over and permit his maybe dodgy vaccine jammed in your harris ? and possible a yearly booster.
I can post this now, as his interview was with the BBC and thus non conspiratoral.
Bill Gates, totally incapable of producing a virus beating operating system since MSDOS version 1.1 released in 1981.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

There has been an interview aired by the BBC a few times today (it was just on) perhaps it been on many times before its just unusual for me to be listening to the BBC. Bill Gates wants a world vaccination, a vaccine would normally take 5 years (he wants it in 18 months) and accepts the quality control wouldn't be as it should!!!, and would like indemnification of the companies (his) who would produce his vaccine. Are you all prepared to bend over and permit his maybe dodgy vaccine jammed in your harris ? and possible a yearly booster.
I can post this now, as his interview was with the BBC and thus non conspiratoral.
Bill Gates, totally incapable of producing a virus beating operating system since MSDOS version 1.1 released in 1981.

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Why do you say the vaccine (not yet created) is dodgy?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Why do you say the vaccine (not yet created) is dodgy?

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He accepted, that to do it quickly, quality control maybe compromised and is why i said MAYBE DODGY


So will you bend over for it ?

Yes. But only of you continue to choose to be wilfully blind.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

He accepted, that to do it quickly, quality control maybe compromised and is why i said MAYBE DODGY


So will you bend over for it ?

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I'd expect it to be in the arm, to be honest, but I would take it yes.

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

But you did say, repeatedly, the thing you claimed you've never said, right?

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You are not stupid. But if for whatever reason you choose to remain wilfully blind then I'll concede you are correct.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You are not stupid. But if for whatever reason you choose to remain wilfully blind then I'll concede you are correct.

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I realised we're all unenlightened compared to our good self...

I tend to agree with the "civil disobedience" view tbh. I think if we'd gone full lockdown day one there's a high chance of what you predicted may have happened - imo any lockdown needed to be phased in. As people understood the nature of the virus better then a full lockdown becomes more acceptable, minimising the number of idiots arguing against it due to youtube videos.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

There has been an interview aired by the BBC a few times today (it was just on) perhaps it been on many times before its just unusual for me to be listening to the BBC. Bill Gates wants a world vaccination, a vaccine would normally take 5 years (he wants it in 18 months) and accepts the quality control wouldn't be as it should!!!, and would like indemnification of the companies (his) who would produce his vaccine. Are you all prepared to bend over and permit his maybe dodgy vaccine jammed in your harris ? and possible a yearly booster.
I can post this now, as his interview was with the BBC and thus non conspiratoral.
Bill Gates, totally incapable of producing a virus beating operating system since MSDOS version 1.1 released in 1981.

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To be fair, the way I heard it, he said that if the world wanted the vaccine quicker than the expected 18 months, then they might have to accept less stringent quality control than otherwise would be the case. This is slightly different from what you said above and I think that Gates was making the point that there is a trade off between desperation to get a vaccine and the need to follow usual procedures.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

To be fair, the way I heard it, he said that if the world wanted the vaccine quicker than the expected 18 months, then they might have to accept less stringent quality control than otherwise would be the case. This is slightly different from what you said above and I think that Gates was making the point that there is a trade off between desperation to get a vaccine and the need to follow usual procedures.

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I don't think its slightly different, it is if you want it to be :thumbup:
Will you take the Jab ?

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

I realised we're all unenlightened compared to our good self...

I tend to agree with the "civil disobedience" view tbh. I think if we'd gone full lockdown day one there's a high chance of what you predicted may have happened - imo any lockdown needed to be phased in. As people understood the nature of the virus better then a full lockdown becomes more acceptable, minimising the number of idiots arguing against it due to youtube videos.

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We'd gone? I'm sure I read a post of yours recently in which you stated you're resident in Sweden. Should have been you'd... or are you fibbing and really living somewhere like Caerphilly?

Why are you so interested in UK lockdowns? If you are as concerned over the Covid-19 threat as you make out then why remain in a country that has no social distancing and all the rest of it? Are you suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome, or are you considerably less intelligent than I had thought?

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

There has been an interview aired by the BBC a few times today (it was just on) perhaps it been on many times before its just unusual for me to be listening to the BBC. Bill Gates wants a world vaccination, a vaccine would normally take 5 years (he wants it in 18 months) and accepts the quality control wouldn't be as it should!!!, and would like indemnification of the companies (his) who would produce his vaccine. Are you all prepared to bend over and permit his maybe dodgy vaccine jammed in your harris ? and possible a yearly booster.
I can post this now, as his interview was with the BBC and thus non conspiratoral.
Bill Gates, totally incapable of producing a virus beating operating system since MSDOS version 1.1 released in 1981.

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I didn't hear the interview but is the claim a vaccine would normally take 5 years yours, or his, or someone else's?

For the past 2 months all the expert opinion I have heard has been that a vaccine will probably take 12-18 months. In the past week there has been a lot of media speculation (based on research update reports) that it may be possible to get a vaccine out in 6 months if the various research centres around the world continue to collaborate. If that is possible it may be on the basis of cutting some normal stages in testing. It would also likely take a long time for the vaccine to get out to all parts of the world - especially Africa, south Asia and large parts of Latin America. I haven't heard anyone saying we should expect it to take 5 years!

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

I don't think its slightly different, it is if you want it to be :thumbup:
Will you take the Jab ?

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Would did you make of the announcement by Oxford University about potential accelerated production of their vaccine before it was proven?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I didn't hear the interview but is the claim a vaccine would normally take 5 years yours, or his, or someone else's?

For the past 2 months all the expert opinion I have heard has been that a vaccine will probably take 12-18 months. In the past week there has been a lot of media speculation (based on research update reports) that it may be possible to get a vaccine out in 6 months if the various research centres around the world continue to collaborate. If that is possible it may be on the basis of cutting some normal stages in testing. It would also likely take a long time for the vaccine to get out to all parts of the world - especially Africa, south Asia and large parts of Latin America. I haven't heard anyone saying we should expect it to take 5 years!

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Gates mentioned 5 years, incidentally, AIDS was identified in 1984 (this is a web site statement not mine) but we still do not have a vaccine, additionally AIDS is/was Dr Fauci's speciality and the work that gave him his reputation.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Would did you make of the announcement by Oxford University about potential accelerated production of their vaccine before it was proven?

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cannot comment not seen/read heard it :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

cannot comment not seen/read heard it :thumbup:

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https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11/...sarah-gilbert/

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I didn't hear the interview but is the claim a vaccine would normally take 5 years yours, or his, or someone else's?

For the past 2 months all the expert opinion I have heard has been that a vaccine will probably take 12-18 months. In the past week there has been a lot of media speculation (based on research update reports) that it may be possible to get a vaccine out in 6 months if the various research centres around the world continue to collaborate. If that is possible it may be on the basis of cutting some normal stages in testing. It would also likely take a long time for the vaccine to get out to all parts of the world - especially Africa, south Asia and large parts of Latin America. I haven't heard anyone saying we should expect it to take 5 years!

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The fastest vaccine produced took about 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

We'd gone? I'm sure I read a post of yours recently in which you stated you're resident in Sweden. Should have been you'd... or are you fibbing and really living somewhere like Caerphilly?

Why are you so interested in UK lockdowns? If you are as concerned over the Covid-19 threat as you make out then why remain in a country that has no social distancing and all the rest of it? Are you suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome, or are you considerably less intelligent than I had thought?

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Scrub all the above. A case of mistaken identity. :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Would did you make of the announcement by Oxford University about potential accelerated production of their vaccine before it was proven?

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She puts chances of success at 80%. That isn't a high figure, but the press have gone ahead and inflated its chances.