Golf clubs reopening in Wales

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Originally Posted by trampie09

You guess wrong then, lol.

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You are right. In 800 posts, you have provided links to your claims a grand total of twice. Each time, the link backed up the claim you were making. And yes, I was bored enough to check it out, currently home alone with my partner out working.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Not the real deal then, the flag pole might cost a golfer a couple of shots and the same if golfers end up in an unraked bunker.

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This will sort the flag issue out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwJVXx3nw10

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Originally Posted by Michael Morris

This will sort the flag issue out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwJVXx3nw10

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That'll put a lot of minds at ease on here.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

You are right. In 800 posts, you have provided links to your claims a grand total of twice. Each time, the link backed up the claim you were making. And yes, I was bored enough to check it out, currently home alone with my partner out working.

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Thanks for the compliment, lol.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

Maybe the only way of dealing with this would have been a complete lock down for a month or more with one member of the household allowed out for essential shopping. But if you can queue up for some essential paint at a DIY store then the idea of stopping someone exercising is completely bollocks as far as I'm concerned

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Exactly. I agree 100%. The lockdown guidelines and the way in which they have been implemented has been nonsense from day one and they've got more ridiculous as time has progressed.

Some examples (imagine that social distancing is being observed in all cases):

I can't go and sit in a garden with members of my family or my friends for half an hour, but I can go and queue up outside a DIY superstore while surrounded by complete strangers for several hours.

I can't go into a bookshop and browse the books, but I can go and browse the books in Asda, Morrisons or Sainsburys.

I can't drive a relatively short distance to my local mountain range and go for a walk, but a cyclist can ride for miles to said mountain range and ride around them to his or her's heart's content.

I can't go into Primark and buy clothes, but I can go into M&S a couple of doors away and buy clothes.

A surfer can't drive a short distance to a beach and go surfing, but a golfer can drive a short distance to a course and play golf.

I'm told I shouldn't leave my home unless it's essential to do so, but I'm also told I can go to a garden centre if I want to.

A golfer can play with a friend at Lydney Golf Club in Gloucestershire, but can't do so less than nine miles away at St Pierre Golf Club.

This one I discovered the other day and it really made me laugh (store policy not government policy): a married couple cannot enter Sainsburys and do their shopping at the same time, but two complete strangers can.

I appreciate this situation has not be easy to deal with, but common sense has been lacking from the outset.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Exactly. I agree 100%. The lockdown guidelines and the way in which they have been implemented has been nonsense from day one and they've got more ridiculous as time has progressed.

Some examples (imagine that social distancing is being observed in all cases):

I can't go and sit in a garden with members of my family or my friends for half an hour, but I can go and queue up outside a DIY superstore while surrounded by complete strangers for several hours.

I can't go into a bookshop and browse the books, but I can go and browse the books in Asda, Morrisons or Sainsburys.

I can't drive a relatively short distance to my local mountain range and go for a walk, but a cyclist can ride for miles to said mountain range and ride around them to his or her's heart's content.

I can't go into Primark and buy clothes, but I can go into M&S a couple of doors away and buy clothes.

A surfer can't drive a short distance to a beach and go surfing, but a golfer can drive a short distance to a course and play golf.

I'm told I shouldn't leave my home unless it's essential to do so, but I'm also told I can go to a garden centre if I want to.

A golfer can play with a friend at Lydney Golf Club in Gloucestershire, but can't do so less than nine miles away at St Pierre Golf Club.

This one I discovered the other day and it really made me laugh (store policy not government policy): a married couple cannot enter Sainsburys and do their shopping at the same time, but two complete strangers can.

I appreciate this situation has not be easy to deal with, but common sense has been lacking from the outset.

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Can I drive to Weston to walk on the beech, or will I get stopped and fined when I drive back into wales for making an unnecessary journey that was legal in England?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Can I drive to Weston to walk on the beech, or will I get stopped and fined when I drive back into wales for making an unnecessary journey that was legal in England?

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Today's traffic news: All quiet on the Weston front.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Today's traffic news: All quiet on the Weston front.

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It coming back when you're not expecting it, that's when the sneck up on you :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Can I drive to Weston to walk on the way BEECH, or will I get stopped and fined when I drive back into wales for making an unnecessary journey that was legal in England?

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Why do you wanna walk on a tree ????

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Why do you wanna walk on a tree ????

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Why woodn't I?

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Originally Posted by Michael Morris

This will sort the flag issue out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwJVXx3nw10

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ooh that's a satisfying bit of engineering isn't it, I like that

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Originally Posted by delmbox

ooh that's a satisfying bit of engineering isn't it, I like that

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Good, innit. When i was a youngster (Before TV Remote control) You had to switch the TV over by walking up to the TV-Four Buttons, Five if you were loaded. My old man Taped together 2 lengths of Bamboo Cane and a thimble on the end so that we could switch the TV over from the comfort of our Sofa. The issues were very similar to today, it still ended up down the back of the sofa.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Good, innit. When i was a youngster (Before TV Remote control) You had to switch the TV over by walking up to the TV-Four Buttons, Five if you were loaded. My old man Taped together 2 lengths of Bamboo Cane and a thimble on the end so that we could switch the TV over from the comfort of our Sofa. The issues were very similar to today, it still ended up down the back of the sofa.

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My Dad was the opposite. we bought him a remote control TV. he always worked early mornings so he was home at 3 Pm and like to watch the Racing on TV. I was home one day and he was sitting there and wanted to change the channel. The remote was on top of the TV. He got up, went to the tele, picked it up, sat down again and changed the channel. Then he got up again and put the remote back on top of the TV. Crazy!!!! Apparently it was so the remote wouldn't go down the side of the chair and he might miss a race looking for it. lol

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

My Dad was the opposite. we bought him a remote control TV. he always worked early mornings so he was home at 3 Pm and like to watch the Racing on TV. I was home one day and he was sitting there and wanted to change the channel. The remote was on top of the TV. He got up, went to the tele, picked it up, sat down again and changed the channel. Then he got up again and put the remote back on top of the TV. Crazy!!!! Apparently it was so the remote wouldn't go down the side of the chair and he might miss a race looking for it. lol

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Fair play, that's proper Dad Logic :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

My Dad was the opposite. we bought him a remote control TV. he always worked early mornings so he was home at 3 Pm and like to watch the Racing on TV. I was home one day and he was sitting there and wanted to change the channel. The remote was on top of the TV. He got up, went to the tele, picked it up, sat down again and changed the channel. Then he got up again and put the remote back on top of the TV. Crazy!!!! Apparently it was so the remote wouldn't go down the side of the chair and he might miss a race looking for it. lol

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my grandparents used to have a " remote control caddy " , great idea, worked well, except this caddy was kept by the side of the TV and the remote used to have to return to it when you had changed over the channel, so like your dad, you would have to get up and down as you would to turn over anyway, as a youngster it used to annoy the life out of me
One sunday after our family sunday roast i moved the caddy to the side table between the sofa and chair, pointed out people didnt need to get up now, i was told the side table was for the radio times and cups of tea, so i was told to return it to the side of the TV, bloody mental

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Originally Posted by blue matt

my grandparents used to have a " remote control caddy " , great idea, worked well, except this caddy was kept by the side of the TV and the remote used to have to return to it when you had changed over the channel, so like your dad, you would have to get up and down as you would to turn over anyway, as a youngster it used to annoy the life out of me
One sunday after our family sunday roast i moved the caddy to the side table between the sofa and chair, pointed out people didnt need to get up now, i was told the side table was for the radio times and cups of tea, so i was told to return it to the side of the TV, bloody mental

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got it in 1!!! :hehe: When my Dad was watching boxing we used to have to move the furniture behind his chair because he moved backwards as he watched each round and got "involved". Then in the break he'd pull it forward again, completely oblivious to what was happening. lol (It was a Parker Knoll armchair with castors. Id it hadn't been he'd probably have ripped the carpet up lol

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

got it in 1!!! :hehe: When my Dad was watching boxing we used to have to move the furniture behind his chair because he moved backwards as he watched each round and got "involved". Then in the break he'd pull it forward again, completely oblivious to what was happening. lol (It was a Parker Knoll armchair with castors. Id it hadn't been he'd probably have ripped the carpet up lol

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:hehe: quality My mum and dad used to both smoke (mother doesn't now) and we had a small council house where we'd all be in the living room watching TV while they both puffed away, early 80s, you couldn't even see the TV for the smoke. The old man would open the window every hour or so to let it all bellow out.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

:hehe: quality My mum and dad used to both smoke (mother doesn't now) and we had a small council house where we'd all be in the living room watching TV while they both puffed away, early 80s, you couldn't even see the TV for the smoke. The old man would open the window every hour or so to let it all bellow out.

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My mother used to light the cigarette in her mouth and instead of taking puffs, used to let it smoulder away, till the ash was about the full length of the cigarette.
Couldn’t happen today with the cheap tobacco in cigarettes

If people want to play golf to get out of the house, I have no problem with it. It's tailor-made for social distancing. As long as those playing follow the rules and take the right precautions, it can't be any more dangerous than going for a walk.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I would rather one set of guidelines, but to be honest I wouldn't have any confidence in them being any more realistic.

I watched a short debate on the news channel earlier regarding reopening the schools but with social distancing measures being applied. Are these people serious? What planet are they on?

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I listened to discussion on the same subject . One of the teachers union people was concerned about the time needed for planning a return. The interviewer pointed out that they’d already had 8 weeks. After all, they knew they were going to return at some point why hadn’t they been preparing.

Then the interviewer brought up the subject of the summer holidays and asked why teaching couldn’t continue through the usual 6 week off period. The union person went ballistic about the rights of teachers, the need to prepare, how unfair this all was on them, how under valued they were... etc

Some interesting perspectives

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Good, innit. When i was a youngster (Before TV Remote control) You had to switch the TV over by walking up to the TV-Four Buttons, Five if you were loaded. My old man Taped together 2 lengths of Bamboo Cane and a thimble on the end so that we could switch the TV over from the comfort of our Sofa. The issues were very similar to today, it still ended up down the back of the sofa.

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We had a remote control TV that would change channels if you shook a handful of coins or a dog chain close to it.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Exactly. I agree 100%. The lockdown guidelines and the way in which they have been implemented has been nonsense from day one and they've got more ridiculous as time has progressed.

Some examples (imagine that social distancing is being observed in all cases):

I can't go and sit in a garden with members of my family or my friends for half an hour, but I can go and queue up outside a DIY superstore while surrounded by complete strangers for several hours.

I can't go into a bookshop and browse the books, but I can go and browse the books in Asda, Morrisons or Sainsburys.

I can't drive a relatively short distance to my local mountain range and go for a walk, but a cyclist can ride for miles to said mountain range and ride around them to his or her's heart's content.

I can't go into Primark and buy clothes, but I can go into M&S a couple of doors away and buy clothes.

A surfer can't drive a short distance to a beach and go surfing, but a golfer can drive a short distance to a course and play golf.

I'm told I shouldn't leave my home unless it's essential to do so, but I'm also told I can go to a garden centre if I want to.

A golfer can play with a friend at Lydney Golf Club in Gloucestershire, but can't do so less than nine miles away at St Pierre Golf Club.

This one I discovered the other day and it really made me laugh (store policy not government policy): a married couple cannot enter Sainsburys and do their shopping at the same time, but two complete strangers can.

I appreciate this situation has not be easy to deal with, but common sense has been lacking from the outset.

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Put yourself forward as common sense advisor .

I just hope some of this silliness saves lives.

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Originally Posted by light up the darkness

I listened to discussion on the same subject . One of the teachers union people was concerned about the time needed for planning a return. The interviewer pointed out that they’d already had 8 weeks. After all, they knew they were going to return at some point why hadn’t they been preparing.

Then the interviewer brought up the subject of the summer holidays and asked why teaching couldn’t continue through the usual 6 week off period. The union person went ballistic about the rights of teachers, the need to prepare, how unfair this all was on them, how under valued they were... etc

Some interesting perspectives

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I spoke to one of my kids teachers yesterday, she lives a few doors up the rd. I assumed she had been busy but in fact she said she has hardly been in to any school since lockdown began. There’s only 40 kids in the hub and with all the teachers from so many schools available in a rota she’d only been called in 3 times. Sounds like most are sitting around do F all. Another fellow parent who happens to be a Doctor and school guvnor cannot understand why they haven’t been getting the schools ready all this time? Apparently they are following the Danish model, yet they went back to school 3 weeks ago and have had no issues. She reckons we are about 30 years behind most Scandinavian countries, having spent quite a bit of time in Norway I can only agree.....wtf are cardiff city council and The Welsh Government doing?

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I spoke to one of my kids teachers yesterday, she lives a few doors up the rd. I assumed she had been busy but in fact she said she has hardly been in to any school since lockdown began. There’s only 40 kids in the hub and with all the teachers from so many schools available in a rota she’d only been called in 3 times. Sounds like most are sitting around do F all. Another fellow parent who happens to be a Doctor and school guvnor cannot understand why they haven’t been getting the schools ready all this time? Apparently they are following the Danish model, yet they went back to school 3 weeks ago and have had no issues. She reckons we are about 30 years behind most Scandinavian countries, having spent quite a bit of time in Norway I can only agree.....wtf are cardiff city council and The Welsh Government doing?

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Did you ask her what she was doing at home? If you didn't, maybe ask her if she has to do lesson planning, setting work online and marking the work for all of the age groups that she teaches, responding to all of the questions that students (and their parents) have in regards to the work - and, if she teaches GCSE and A-Level classes, whether she is going over all of their work to work out their average grades?

If she isn't doing all of that, then I reckon all of the other teachers (whether they are on rota for the hubs or not) are doing f**k all too.

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Did you ask her what she was doing at home? If you didn't, maybe ask her if she has to do lesson planning, setting work online and marking the work for all of the age groups that she teaches, responding to all of the questions that students (and their parents) have in regards to the work - and, if she teaches GCSE and A-Level classes, whether she is going over all of their work to work out their average grades?

If she isn't doing all of that, then I reckon all of the other teachers (whether they are on rota for the hubs or not) are doing f**k all too.

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If I see her again I will, she’s primary school level mind and prob ks1. Maybe she’s not required at mo. I really don’t understand why they aren’t in school getting things sorted. I see in Denmark schools have brought in mobile sink units for kids to wash hands, no doubt such an idea is light years away from our drake****wit and co.....they’ll decide to try and get it sorted mid august a few weeks until kids go back after almost 6 months out of school

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If I see her again I will, she’s primary school level mind and prob ks1. Maybe she’s not required at mo. I really don’t understand why they aren’t in school getting things sorted. I see in Denmark schools have brought in mobile sink units for kids to wash hands, no doubt such an idea is light years away from our drake****wit and co.....they’ll decide to try and get it sorted mid august a few weeks until kids go back after almost 6 months out of school

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You want teachers to go into schools to get "things sorted" when there hasn't even been an agreed plan of action on what a safe return for the kids and staff will look like. What would you be expecting teachers to do while they're there - moving desks so that they're 2 metres apart and going "I reckon that's done it"? Genuine question... what do you think they should be doing?

From what I've heard from people I know in education, there have been lots of discussions behind the scenes and whatever you make of Drakeford, it looks like Kirsty Williams is doing an excellent job as Education Minister (she's Lib Dem by the way).

Have a read of this before you respond: https://gov.wales/education-minister...return-schools
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When they do decide that it is safe to go back why do they then have to have 6 weeks off for summer holidays? Wouldn't it make more sense for the kids to be in school if they can be?

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Originally Posted by goats

If I see her again I will, she’s primary school level mind and prob ks1. Maybe she’s not required at mo. I really don’t understand why they aren’t in school getting things sorted. I see in Denmark schools have brought in mobile sink units for kids to wash hands, no doubt such an idea is light years away from our drake****wit and co.....they’ll decide to try and get it sorted mid august a few weeks until kids go back after almost 6 months out of school

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Ive been asked to go in and clean the windows of my local primary school, caretaker ( or whatever he is called these days ) said it'll be instead of the clean i normally do at the start of the summer holidays as the school do not see themselves opening again ( they use the other school in the group for the " hub " )

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

When they do decide that it is safe to go back why do they then have to have 6 weeks off for summer holidays? Wouldn't it make more sense for the kids to be in school if they can be?

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teachers need a rest dude, oh and planning for the next year :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

teachers need a rest dude, oh and planning for the next year :thumbup:

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lol, couldn't they be planning for next year now? But shirley it is basically the same as last year? The curriculum doesn't change every year at every level does it?

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Originally Posted by goats

I spoke to one of my kids teachers yesterday, she lives a few doors up the rd. I assumed she had been busy but in fact she said she has hardly been in to any school since lockdown began. There’s only 40 kids in the hub and with all the teachers from so many schools available in a rota she’d only been called in 3 times. Sounds like most are sitting around do F all. Another fellow parent who happens to be a Doctor and school guvnor cannot understand why they haven’t been getting the schools ready all this time? Apparently they are following the Danish model, yet they went back to school 3 weeks ago and have had no issues. She reckons we are about 30 years behind most Scandinavian countries, having spent quite a bit of time in Norway I can only agree.....wtf are cardiff city council and The Welsh Government doing?

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She's probably been working from home.

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You want teachers to go into schools to get "things sorted" when there hasn't even been an agreed plan of action on what a safe return for the kids and staff will look like. What would you be expecting teachers to do while they're there - moving desks so that they're 2 metres apart and going "I reckon that's done it"? Genuine question... what do you think they should be doing?

From what I've heard from people I know in education, there have been lots of discussions behind the scenes and whatever you make of Drakeford, it looks like Kirsty Williams is doing an excellent job as Education Minister (she's Lib Dem by the way).

Have a read of this before you respond: https://gov.wales/education-minister...return-schools
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Read that waffle, doesn’t really tell us anything does it? The five points bla bla which were all met 2 weeks ago?
I’m sure there is plenty to do in schools, so much so in fact that three weeks probably isn’t enough time according to our education secretary? Everything they use needs cleaning for a start, rotation systems worked out, mobile sinks for washing hands brought in and set up with a rota system like in Denmark.
Don’t get me wrong we have a very good relationship with all the teachers at my kids school, my wife runs the PTA, they are all really good teachers. Knowing this I’m sure they are well keen to get back asap. It’s those above, as ever being all political causing the issues in 1980’s Wales.
Next we will here there isn’t enough time to do all that needs doing and they can’t do all this over the summer as they need there holidays to, which is ironic as they’ve been doing nowt mainly for the last 8 weeks.....
Getting quite used to having them home now, maybe I’ll home school them from now on :hehe:

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Read that waffle, doesn’t really tell us anything does it? The five points bla bla which were all met 2 weeks ago?
I’m sure there is plenty to do in schools, so much so in fact that three weeks probably isn’t enough time according to our education secretary? Everything they use needs cleaning for a start, rotation systems worked out, mobile sinks for washing hands brought in and set up with a rota system like in Denmark.
Don’t get me wrong we have a very good relationship with all the teachers at my kids school, my wife runs the PTA, they are all really good teachers. Knowing this I’m sure they are well keen to get back asap. It’s those above, as ever being all political causing the issues in 1980’s Wales.
Next we will here there isn’t enough time to do all that needs doing and they can’t do all this over the summer as they need there holidays to, which is ironic as they’ve been doing nowt mainly for the last 8 weeks.....
Getting quite used to having them home now, maybe I’ll home school them from now on :hehe:

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So... You want teachers in the schools to start cleaning? The other things you've said doesn't require them to be there.

You've mentioned "Denmark" and how Wales would never look to do anything like they have done. Did you notice that the framework said " In addition, we are considering international evidence around learning and child health and well-being. We are drawing on a range of international examples of response to disruptions to learning. For example, we are considering practice in Denmark around the use of other buildings to increase capacity; regular handwashing and cleaning; staggering arrivals and departures; and use of floor markings. " :hehe:

I'm sure you'll now congratulate them on this way of thinking.

Goats, I just don't understand what your point is. It sounds like you just think something/anything should be happening to get the kids back in school asap. It is happening, you just can't see it with your own eyes which seems to be annoying you for some reason.

Do you want your child going back even if it's unsafe, just because you think teachers have been "doing nowt"? You said that you didn't ask the teacher in question if she has had to do any work from home. I know secondary school teachers are busy (the ones I know are as busy as ever at the moment) and my friends with kids of primary school age are having work set for them at the moment too... So I assume the teachers are setting it and not Denmark.

What is it that you want to happen? You just sound pissed off that the teacher you spoke to isn't moonlighting as a cleaner in your child's school.

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So... You want teachers in the schools to start cleaning? The other things you've said doesn't require them to be there.

You've mentioned "Denmark" and how Wales would never look to do anything like they have done. Did you notice that the framework said " In addition, we are considering international evidence around learning and child health and well-being. We are drawing on a range of international examples of response to disruptions to learning. For example, we are considering practice in Denmark around the use of other buildings to increase capacity; regular handwashing and cleaning; staggering arrivals and departures; and use of floor markings. " :hehe:

I'm sure you'll now congratulate them on this way of thinking.

Goats, I just don't understand what your point is. It sounds like you just think something/anything should be happening to get the kids back in school asap. It is happening, you just can't see it with your own eyes which seems to be annoying you for some reason.

Do you want your child going back even if it's unsafe, just because you think teachers have been "doing nowt"? You said that you didn't ask the teacher in question if she has had to do any work from home. I know secondary school teachers are busy (the ones I know are as busy as ever at the moment) and my friends with kids of primary school age are having work set for them at the moment too... So I assume the teachers are setting it and not Denmark.

What is it that you want to happen? You just sound pissed off that the teacher you spoke to isn't moonlighting as a cleaner in your child's school.

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Spoiling for one as ever....
Yes ironic they are looking at Denmark, more just like gazing at them in ore that they can actually do something.
I don’t think it’s unsafe either, I’m not even sure kids can carry the virus let alone get it. As for the work given, I’d imagine I could put that together in a day, we get through their weeks work in about two days so we also use the many other online activities which are better than the schools to be honest.
I think they they need to go in a few times at least before they have another 6 weeks off, else come September they will have been out of the loop for almost 6 months so telling them what to do will be even more difficult. Trial run is def needed. You say it’s happening and I can’t see it, what am I missing then?

Yes, kids can get the virus and kids can pass it on. They just seem, generally, to be less badly affected.

I thought this was fairly common knowledge

[QUOTE=goats;5077761]Spoiling for one as ever....
Yes ironic they are looking at Denmark, more just like gazing at them in ore that they can actually do something.
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Aye, they’re on their metal in Denmark!

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Spoiling for one as ever....
Yes ironic they are looking at Denmark, more just like gazing at them in ore that they can actually do something.
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Aye, they’re on their metal in Denmark!

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They are on Coppergagen.

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Spoiling for one as ever....
Yes ironic they are looking at Denmark, more just like gazing at them in ore that they can actually do something.
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Aye, they’re on their metal in Denmark!

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Who was it that said they were keeping count of how many times you messed up a quote? :hehe:

Delmbox I think.

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Who was it that said they were keeping count of how many times you messed up a quote? :hehe:

Delmbox I think.

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[QUOTE=splott parker;5077769]

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Spoiling for one as ever....
Yes ironic they are looking at Denmark, more just like gazing at them in ore that they can actually do something.
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Aye, they’re on their metal in Denmark!

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I don’t think it’s unsafe either, I’m not even sure kids can carry the virus let alone get it.

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What on earth has made you think this?