"Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

Who else is bloody fed up with this???
I have no problem with people of different race...but you cannot change history...it is what it is.
Why bow down to a different race....white to black...black to white....whatever.

This tearing down of statues is appalling.....times were different.......you regret but you do not destroy.....

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Check your privilege 🙄

I have been fed up of racism and racists my whole life. I imagine the black community would be feeling worse than me. Doing the knee is not bowing down to a different race.

And ‘bow down to a different race’? It was the Brits that colonised and made the people think they were superior. And that mentality is still ongoing.

And with tearing down statues... colonialism and slavery should not be celebrated. The statues celebrated these things. And it is a biased history - doesn’t show the effects of these thing on people then and on people now.

Again, check your privilege 🙄

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Check your privilege ��

I have been fed up of racism and racists my whole life. I imagine the black community would be feeling worse than me. Doing the knee is not bowing down to a different race.

And ‘bow down to a different race’? It was the Brits that colonised and made the people think they were superior. And that mentality is still ongoing.

And with tearing down statues... colonialism and slavery should not be celebrated. The statues celebrated these things. And it is a biased history - doesn’t show the effects of these thing on people then and on people now.

Again, check your privilege ��

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ADZ did you read Darren Lewis's column in the Mirror on Monday,a very powerful piece on whats it is like to be black.
So many things non blacks take for granted.

At 11:58am this Sunday, can a caring compassionate fellow of this board please check on ole Maurice Swann to ensure he doesn’t self combust into a human inferno, due to apoplectic rage when he sees the City players ‘Take the knee’?

Alternatively let him burn.

I’m not bothered either way.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Raab isn't getting criticised because it's "not PC" - he's getting criticised because he's the foreign secretary of a major world power during a time when people have been protesting en masse worldwide about a huge issue (including in his own country) and he hasn't got a clue about the origin of one of the modes of protest, and the dismissive tone he spoke about it in was awful. I'm not sure if it's arrogance or incompetence but I suspect, with this government, it's a combination of both

And also, it's not going to become anti social not to take part, the footballers are only doing it in the first round of games, protesters are doing it, people who want to show solidarity with the BML cause have done it.

What situation do you possibly envisage finding yourself in where people are taking the knee and criticising you for not?

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I wasn't necessarily talking about myself but can you not envisage a situation where someone e.g. a footballer or a politician did not "take the knee" when everyone around him/her did so? That person would be immediately be in the spotlight with all the unwanted media attention that that would bring. If I was not isolated in rural west Wales but lived in Swansea or Cardiff I probably would have attended one of the demos but if I had, I would have undoubtedly felt under pressure to join in.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I wasn't necessarily talking about myself but can you not envisage a situation where someone e.g. a footballer or a politician did not "take the knee" when everyone around him/her did so? That person would be immediately be in the spotlight with all the unwanted media attention that that would bring. If I was not isolated in rural west Wales but lived in Swansea or Cardiff I probably would have attended one of the demos but if I had, I would have undoubtedly felt under pressure to join in.

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My reluctance to take the knee stems from the fact that these days I might have more than a few problems untaking it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

My reluctance to take the knee stems from the fact that these days I might have more than a few problems untaking it.

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Me too! :-)

Is it just me or is "taking the knee" a bit weird considering that the police guy did exactly that on george floyds neck?

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

Is it just me or is "taking the knee" a bit weird considering that the police guy did exactly that on george floyds neck?

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Watch it, you’ll have the tinternet police knocking on your door !!!!!!

PS:——- I thought the same :shrug:

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Settling lawsuits isn't an admission of anything.

Kaepernick was offered a contract by Baltimore, pulled by his contract demands and actions of his girlfriend.
Kaepernick's QBR the last two seasons was poor, leading team to 3-16 record.
Kapernic was approached by AAF and XFL - wanted guaranteed $20m when both leagues were paying $250k per QB.

Still, it must be his protest and skin colour preventing him being in NFL not his wage demands or poor play...

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Off the top of my head, CK was rated about 26th out of 32 starting QBs so while not a world beater, he was decent enough to start for some teams. There are worse QBs who keep finding employment. The 3-16 record might have had a number of factors. He would've found work if it wasn't for the protests.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Watch it, you’ll have the tinternet police knocking on your door !!!!!!

PS:——- I thought the same :shrug:

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Note to self: "you must not put a smiley on this post...you must not put a smiley on this post...... you must not put a smiley on this post.... you must no..............."

[QUOTE=BLUETIT;5088722]Watch it, you’ll have the tinternet police knocking on your door !!!!!!

PS:——- I thought the same :shrug:[/h

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Note to self: "you must not put a smiley on this post...you must not put a smiley on this post...... you must not put a smiley on this post.... you must no..............."

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:hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

Off the top of my head, CK was rated about 26th out of 32 starting QBs so while not a world beater, he was decent enough to start for some teams. There are worse QBs who keep finding employment. The 3-16 record might have had a number of factors. He would've found work if it wasn't for the protests.

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He was decent enough to start for shit teams wanting to tank a season to draft a better QB the next.

He had zero finesse on his passes, everything was rifled in, even short dump passes to RBs. He was unable to effectively read defences, relying on his first read and then taking off with the ball.

He was replaced by Blaine ****ing Gabbert for god sake.

Contrary to claims, he wasn't cut by 49ers. He would have been, but he opted out of a $13m per year deal. Since then, despite claims, there has been interest but he's priced himself out of the market. He wants starter money when he'd be, at best, a backup. No franchise would pay that.

Let's not forget he was offered a deal by Baltimore which was pulled. Why was it pulled? Maybe because his girlfriend intimated Ray Lewis was an "uncle Tom" and stated Baltimore's owner was a "slave owner". No franchise wants to put up with that shit.

As for 49ers record, good QBs lead and inspire. Kaepernick failed to do so.

He wouldn't have found work without the protests. He'd have been cut and price himself out of the market due to his overgrown ego. Why would he want to work anyway given the money he's making through Nike as chief SJW?

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I wasn't necessarily talking about myself but can you not envisage a situation where someone e.g. a footballer or a politician did not "take the knee" when everyone around him/her did so? That person would be immediately be in the spotlight with all the unwanted media attention that that would bring. If I was not isolated in rural west Wales but lived in Swansea or Cardiff I probably would have attended one of the demos but if I had, I would have undoubtedly felt under pressure to join in.

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Just by attending the demos you're showing your support, if you don't want to take the knee there you don't have to and no one says a thing. Plenty of people not kneeling, their reasons are their own, and I say that as someone who did go.

In terms of your other point, it's not as if we're all expected to start taking the knee now. Like I said, footballers are doing it this round of games. If 10 of them did it and the other 1 didn't I think you're probably right there'd be questions asked. Not least by their black teammates I suspect, as to why they don't support racial equality.

I'd wonder why black teammates were equating not taking the knee with not supporting racial equality.

Smacks of the whole clapping for NHS crap, don't do it and you're automatically viewed as scum.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

He wouldn't have found work without the protests. He'd have been cut and price himself out of the market due to his overgrown ego. Why would he want to work anyway given the money he's making through Nike as chief SJW?

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He'd have been cut? You said he was offered a contract. Overgrown egos often go with the territory. There are reports that the Ravens and Seahawks are favourites to sign him, all despite the lay-off, so he can't be that bad.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

I'd wonder why black teammates were equating not taking the knee with not supporting racial equality.

Smacks of the whole clapping for NHS crap, don't do it and you're automatically viewed as scum.

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Because taking the knee for ten seconds is a symbol of supporting racial equality and if 10 of your teammates are doing it and you're refusing to there's got to be a specific reason as to why. I think it's understandable that your black teammates would wonder what that is.

How long before 'Men of Harlech' is attacked for being a celebration of white colonial bully boys massacring brave black Africans?

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Originally Posted by The Gifaffe

How long before 'Men of Harlech' is attacked for being a celebration of white colonial bully boys massacring brave black Africans?

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Eternity?

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

He'd have been cut? You said he was offered a contract. Overgrown egos often go with the territory. There are reports that the Ravens and Seahawks are favourites to sign him, all despite the lay-off, so he can't be that bad.

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I did say that. He was given a restructured contract by 49ers, no way they were paying top dollar starting QB money for a backup. He walked away from $13m.

Ravens were looking at a deal, backing up Flacco. Pulled that after his girlfriends comments - and rightly so.

Seattle, well Carroll has always claimed interest but pulling Russell Wilson to play Kaepernick? Never. Going. To Happen.

Kaepernick could easily be on a team if he was willing to accept he'd be a backup, on backup money.

It's amazing that him taking a knee has magically made him into the best QB since Montana, Marino et al. 59% accuracy over his last two seasons isn't going to make GMs rush to hire you.

Kaepernick played his little stunt when given that unprecedented workout - never done for any other player. Moving it 30 minutes before due to start because he wanted his camera crew there to film a Nike commercial? Complaining at the last minute about the waiver when they'd known the details well in advance? he knows he's done as a starting QB so is happy to moan and take the Nike money...

If any NFL team was dumb enough to sign him on the bloated money he wants and even worse start him, the only reason would be that they are tanking for Trevor Lawrence in next draft.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Because taking the knee for ten seconds is a symbol of supporting racial equality and if 10 of your teammates are doing it and you're refusing to there's got to be a specific reason as to why. I think it's understandable that your black teammates would wonder what that is.

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It's virtue signalling that achieves basically nothing.

Would teammates for example, think worse of Bellamy not doing it knowing the work he was doing in Sierra Leonne?

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

I'd wonder why black teammates were equating not taking the knee with not supporting racial equality.

Smacks of the whole clapping for NHS crap, don't do it and you're automatically viewed as scum.

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or don't be the only house in the street without a 'rainbow' picture.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

or don't be the only house in the street without a 'rainbow' picture.

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The only use for those rainbow pictures was exposing how many people have zero clue as to the number of colours and colours in a rainbow

To be fair, its not really black people asking for it.

Mainly white middle class people to make them feel good

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

The only use for those rainbow pictures was exposing how many people have zero clue as to the number of colours and colours in a rainbow

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The number of colours in a rainbow is an interesting subject:
https://www.languagesoftheworld.info...9;light%20blue').

And did you know that Japanese traffic lights are red, amber and......blue?
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...nfinitescroll1

The first one is pseudo-babble, they missed Indigo out. ROYGBIV.

As for the second, I suddenly feel like buying an air conditioner for some strange reason.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Because taking the knee for ten seconds is a symbol of supporting racial equality and if 10 of your teammates are doing it and you're refusing to there's got to be a specific reason as to why. I think it's understandable that your black teammates would wonder what that is.

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All total bollox. Do you think for one minute any racists are gonna take notice of all this “taking the knee” nonsense?
There will always be racists. The answer in football is for all non racist fans to have the balls to stand up to them in the crowds. You cant stop people thinking as racists, but you sure as hell can stop them from spouting the shite.
Clubs need to identify these cu*ts, put their pictures up on the big screens identifying them as the scum they are and ban them for life.
Outside of football, then thats a matter for society to be brave and again challenge them at every point.

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Originally Posted by The Gifaffe

How long before 'Men of Harlech' is attacked for being a celebration of white colonial bully boys massacring brave black Africans?

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I was rather surprised that at the Native American pow-wows I attended many years ago (including the biggest one in the States) the Star-spangled banner was played at each of them. After reading 'I Buried My Heart At Wounded Knee' I expected less respect for the anthem adopted by those who persecuted the indigenous people and, even to this day, has left a huge proportion of them in a less than wealthy state.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

All total bollox. Do you think for one minute any racists are gonna take notice of all this “taking the knee” nonsense?
There will always be racists. The answer in football is for all non racist fans to have the balls to stand up to them in the crowds. You cant stop people thinking as racists, but you sure as hell can stop them from spouting the shite.
Clubs need to identify these cu*ts, put their pictures up on the big screens identifying them as the scum they are and ban them for life.
Outside of football, then thats a matter for society to be brave and again challenge them at every point.

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I like your train of thought here.

Although I still correctly maintain Cantona dealt with racists in the right manner back in 95.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The number of colours in a rainbow is an interesting subject:
https://www.languagesoftheworld.info...9;light%20blue').

And did you know that Japanese traffic lights are red, amber and......blue?
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...nfinitescroll1

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And if any of you are interested in the nature of the perception of colour and the linguistics used to express it (and I am probably boring you all to death, as usual) a Namibian tribe has an interesting take on such things:
https://www.gondwana-collection.com/...as-see-colour/

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

And if any of you are interested in the nature of the perception of colour and the linguistics used to express it (and I am probably boring you all to death, as usual) a Namibian tribe has an interesting take on such things:
https://www.gondwana-collection.com/...as-see-colour/

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Can trump you for boring facts, once had to produce a range of screen colour setups to cover colour blindess. Did you know there are over 100 different types of colour blindness?

Been following this Fred, but reading the HEADING, I can’t get the old Grangetown End song, out of my head !!!!!

“We’re going to, jump down, turn around, kick ‘um in the bollocks”
“We’re going to jump down, turn around, kick ‘um in the head”
Etc, etc, etc

It’s just that phrase “ Giving the Knee”

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Been following this Fred, but reading the HEADING, I can’t get the old Grangetown End song, out of my head !!!!!

“We’re going to, jump down, turn around, kick ‘um in the bollocks”
“We’re going to jump down, turn around, kick ‘um in the head”
Etc, etc, etc

It’s just that phrase “ Giving the Knee”

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You forgot 'Oh, Lordy'.

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

It's virtue signalling that achieves basically nothing.

Would teammates for example, think worse of Bellamy not doing it knowing the work he was doing in Sierra Leonne?

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He'd do it though wouldn't he

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You forgot 'Oh, Lordy'.

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Grey matter is drying up :hehe:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

All total bollox. Do you think for one minute any racists are gonna take notice of all this “taking the knee” nonsense?
There will always be racists. The answer in football is for all non racist fans to have the balls to stand up to them in the crowds. You cant stop people thinking as racists, but you sure as hell can stop them from spouting the shite.
Clubs need to identify these cu*ts, put their pictures up on the big screens identifying them as the scum they are and ban them for life.
Outside of football, then thats a matter for society to be brave and again challenge them at every point.

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Lawsuit waiting to happen

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Originally Posted by delmbox

He'd do it though wouldn't he

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It's a hypothetica example.

And no, he probably wouldn't have during his playing days, given the state of his knees might never have got back up again.

Considering stopping the England egg fans singing 'swing low' as well I've read.

Wasn't aware of the songs origins.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Lawsuit waiting to happen

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So that stops it does it? Things need to change big time, and a law suit is one of those things. Thats if we as a nation are gonna get serious about this poison.
Its the sane in Scottish football with sectarianism Clubs, especially the old firm have just paid lip service to the problem for decades.
Weed the *****res out, and ban them for life. Or carry on as normal, and moan about it every time it rears its ugly head..

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You forgot 'Oh, Lordy'.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Grey matter is drying up :hehe:

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Bloody hell, I’m surprised you didn’t pick up on “Grangetown End” instead of what it should have been “GRANGE-END”

Norwich v Southampton doing my head in

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

All total bollox. Do you think for one minute any racists are gonna take notice of all this “taking the knee” nonsense?
There will always be racists. The answer in football is for all non racist fans to have the balls to stand up to them in the crowds. You cant stop people thinking as racists, but you sure as hell can stop them from spouting the shite.
Clubs need to identify these cu*ts, put their pictures up on the big screens identifying them as the scum they are and ban them for life.
Outside of football, then thats a matter for society to be brave and again challenge them at every point.

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It's very intimidating standing up to racists at football matches , I have shopped people doing nazi salutes in front on me on the Bob bank , it was a relief when the stewards came in and took him out , my mate said I " shouldn't have got involved " What he really meant was he was shit scared of people like that and a lot of people feel the same .