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life on mars
Hopefully Dominic Cummings will sort all this out , he dislikes governments , civil services , posh eton toffs , shirts /ties , red tape , bureaucratic nonsense , loves to purge the Sir's ( 3 gone already )
Corbyn missed a chance to align himself to him or appoint as a lot of Labour voters lapped up his Brexit view , and they and JC hate the political posh and establishments systems as does the Dom
Hate to shatter your eloquent thought process But Cummings literally works for an Eton Toff.
I’d think about that line of argument before posting it next time.
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CardiffIrish2
Hate to shatter your eloquent thought process But Cummings literally works for an Eton Toff.
I’d think <s>about that line of argument before posting it</s> next time.
FTFY
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Shes still going to get hauled in for an assessment
So welcome to tory britain
Ten years they have been in , a disabled person is awarded a benefit , after having to fill in a dreadful stressful form , more than likely attend an interview
Then forced to fill in another form and probably face another assessment to prove she isnt disabled
Who brought this increased testing in and mandatory reconsideration in ?
I will give you a clue , it was Iain Duncan Smith , tory
If you need any help riverside advice centre in cardiff are the place to go or speakeasy law centre
Good luck
We've been through the assessment Sludge.
The next one is in 2029!
That is why we had the mandatory reconsideration, because the woman who did it only gave her 10 points and standard benefit rate rather than the 12 points for the enhanced rate (they gave here the full 12 mobility, she could only walk a couple of yards at the assessment).
The mandatory reconsideration gave her the extra 2 points so she now gets full PIP. Should never have gone that far as she should have got at least 30 points by my reckoning as some of the assessment comments are a nonsense. The council and care agency care plans both clearly qualify her for extra points under the Departments own guidelines to assessors but the assessment and mandatory reconsideration both ignored this. Still 12 points is enough,but she would have had a clear case at a Tribunal if it had come to it.
It's only one form by the way although I had to write a page of notes for the mandatory reconsideration.
And as I said Labour opened the door when they brought in more testing for the ESA.
You kindly mentioned before that you knew someone who could help if we had problems and I was going to ask if she had had to go to appeal.
Luckily turned out OK in the end.
Thank you anyway.
Apologise for calling you a fool incidentally
Regards Elwood
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the other bob wilson
Yes I did, sorry about that, but I notice you did not comment on what else I said - I think it was something like 15,000 out of almost 114,000 in the latest figures that were traced by the 25,000 new recruits.
The impression given, which seems a fair one to me, is of a Government obsessed by targets, but with little in place to co-ordinate things efficiently once they are reached.
No I didn't comment because I don't know how the contact tracing works. In particular who passes the cases to the tracers.
If is PHE then could it be that they pass the cases on to their own staff next and only pass them onto the new tracers only when their tracers have too many to cope with.
Panorama should really have gone into detail on this.
They were right to point out that details were not being passed onto hospitals and GP's was a good one and should really be done although didn't this something PHE should do.
As to the other main point as to testing being done by unqualified staff compared to Germany using Doctors and medical students,again there wasn't enough detail
Should we have more medical staff? Or is Germany's system overdoing it.
It has been known for weeks what our system is,yet I can't recall seeing any experts outside this program criticising this.
My daughter works in a care home. They are doing regularly tested but everyone, including carers like my daughter,cleaning staff and kitchen staff test themselves. Yes,there are qualified nurses there but they don't supervise the tests.
She has done four so far with no problems. I know last week's was back in 24 hours, not sure about the previous weeks and she has done this weeks today.
I saw somewhere that most countries have problems with invalid tests
Panorama didn't give any figures to show whether our accuracy of tests are better or worse than Germany. We have actually done substantially more tests than Germany at the moment, but don't know how the accuracy compares
Oh and yes the government do like their headline figures.
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Vindec
No doubt the Welsh tests are being undertaken by highly qualified staff.
Yes been a wonderful success in our socialist utopia, we must be the envy of everyone as our education, health ,transport, business ,roads , wealth growth shocks the world .
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Re: This government is a complete shambles
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Vindec
I note your selective extract from my post. You conveniently omitted the following:
"The evidence is clear from the Labour Party itself. So let's stop the name calling and just let people vote how they vote without criticising individuals for their decisions.
I could vote Labour again but will have to see how things will pan out over the next 4 years. Starmer's made a good start even though I thought he was a bad choice."
There are a couple of things in there. Firstly I have been a Labour voter in the past and secondly I believe Starmer has made a good start even though his appointment defied logic given that he was the architects of one of the main reasons for Labour's failure. Political parties do make strange choices though including the decision by the Conservatives to appoint Boris.
My post doesn't therefore focus on one side of the argument as you state so you are patently wrong in your belief that I am a part of the problem. I wish you would read my entire post before sounding off.
Will Starmer lose the black vote ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You think the bbc is left wing ?
Nick Robinson political editor........tory
Laura Kuennesberg ......tory
That's the last two political editors
The big political heavyweight on the beeb was Andrew Neil and he was chairman of the federation of young Conservatives.
The Beeb has always been right wing, Welsh uni profs came out with the data proving it a few years back, they didn't prove it to me mind you as I always knew they were right wing it was obvious if you watch their news in a neutral fashion you can see how biased they are.
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the other bob wilson
That's pretty small beer compared to what Panorama was talking about though isn't it. This thread has just become the usual tory v labour stuff with those taking an anti labour position ignoring the findings of the Programme.
Ive now watch the programme and thought it the usual biased tripe served up by the BBC. The programme slammed the government for poor tracing and tracking but this is the responsibility of an autonomous quango Public health England.
The government can tell it what to do but not how....so all the downsides about our poor tracking and tracing, how it was done, where it was done, who saw the reports, who did the testing was down to PHE.
In my opinion PHE should be scrapped, they've spent years telling the public to avoid obesity whilst getting fat themselves. They are just about to build a new HQ in Harlow!
As for Weston hospital what a load of rubbish. OK PHE offered poor tracing but this hospital had one floor devoted to Covid patients and another floor to non-covid patients and the junior doctors looking after each floor were rotated every week. You couldn't make it up!!! Of course this was not reported in the Panorama programme
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lisvaneblue
Ive now watch the programme and thought it the usual biased tripe served up by the BBC. The programme slammed the government for poor tracing and tracking but this is the responsibility of an autonomous quango Public health England.
The government can tell it what to do but not how....so all the downsides about our poor tracking and tracing, how it was done, where it was done, who saw the reports, who did the testing was down to PHE.
In my opinion PHE should be scrapped, they've spent years telling the public to avoid obesity whilst getting fat themselves. They are just about to build a new HQ in Harlow!
As for Weston hospital what a load of rubbish. OK PHE offered poor tracing but this hospital had one floor devoted to Covid patients and another floor to non-covid patients and the junior doctors looking after each floor were rotated every week. You couldn't make it up!!! Of course this was not reported in the Panorama programme
Are PHE responsible for the 25,000 tracers who have contacted an average of less than two people each since test, track and trace was introduced?
A simple "yes" or "no" answer would suffice.
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Heisenberg
Are PHE responsible for the 25,000 tracers who have contacted an average of less than two people each since test, track and trace was introduced?
A simple "yes" or "no" answer would suffice.
No. This guy is
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...avirus-crisis/
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Heisenberg
Are PHE responsible for the 25,000 tracers who have contacted an average of less than two people each since test, track and trace was introduced?
A simple "yes" or "no" answer would suffice.
Currently yes.
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Heisenberg
Are PHE responsible for the 25,000 tracers who have contacted an average of less than two people each since test, track and trace was introduced?
A simple "yes" or "no" answer would suffice.
Have look at their website. " We are responsible for preparing for and responding to public health emergencies'
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lisvaneblue
Have look at their website. " We are responsible for preparing for and responding to public health emergencies'
PHE is an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care not an autonomous quango as you state i.e it is part of the Civil Service and staffed by civil servants and Matt Hancock is directly responsible for it, its responsibilities, budgets and plans. Though to be fair if you got your information on its governance from, say the Daily Mail then you could be forgiven for thinking it is a quango sitting far more outside the control of Ministers.
Fortunately there are more informative sources such as the Institute for Government which explain its relationship, how it was established by the Cameron government and how its integration within and accountable to a government department abolished about 70 of those nasty autonomous quangos you reference.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...health-england
That seems less pertinent than who is responsible for the testing and tracing programme though. As previously discussed this is led by Dido Harding. She reports directly to Boris Johnson and the Cabinet Secretary (if we had one) and not to the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. (see Government Announcement). She is supported in this role by John Newton of PHE.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...amme-appointed
Other than Newton's supportive role it is not clear where PHE fits in the testing and tracing governance. What is clear is that it is not responsible for it. That sits fully in the hands of a Tory Peer reporting directly to the Prime Minister.
If you want to change your view that PHE is responsible for the 25,000 tracers who have contacted an average of less than two people each since test, track and trace was introduced from a simple yes to a simple no now would be a good time I guess.
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lisvaneblue
Have look at their website. " We are responsible for preparing for and responding to public health emergencies'
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cyril evans awaydays
PHE is an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care not an autonomous quango as you state i.e it is part of the Civil Service and staffed by civil servants and Matt Hancock is directly responsible for it, its responsibilities, budgets and plans. Though to be fair if you got your information on its governance from, say the Daily Mail then you could be forgiven for thinking it is a quango sitting far more outside the control of Ministers.
Fortunately there are more informative sources such as the Institute for Government which explain its relationship, how it was established by the Cameron government and how its integration within and accountable to a government department abolished about 70 of those nasty autonomous quangos you reference.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...health-england
That seems less pertinent than who is responsible for the testing and tracing programme though. As previously discussed this is led by Dido Harding. She reports directly to Boris Johnson and the Cabinet Secretary (if we had one) and not to the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. (see Government Announcement). She is supported in this role by John Newton of PHE.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...amme-appointed
Other than Newton's supportive role it is not clear where PHE fits in the testing and tracing governance. What is clear is that it is not responsible for it. That sits fully in the hands of a Tory Peer reporting directly to the Prime Minister.
If you want to change your view that PHE is responsible for the 25,000 tracers who have contacted an average of less than two people each since test, track and trace was introduced from a simple yes to a simple no now would be a good time I guess.
Another :hehe:
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Re: This government is a complete shambles
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cyril evans awaydays
PHE is an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care not an autonomous quango as you state i.e it is part of the Civil Service and staffed by civil servants and Matt Hancock is directly responsible for it, its responsibilities, budgets and plans. Though to be fair if you got your information on its governance from, say the Daily Mail then you could be forgiven for thinking it is a quango sitting far more outside the control of Ministers.
Fortunately there are more informative sources such as the Institute for Government which explain its relationship, how it was established by the Cameron government and how its integration within and accountable to a government department abolished about 70 of those nasty autonomous quangos you reference.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...health-england
That seems less pertinent than who is responsible for the testing and tracing programme though. As previously discussed this is led by Dido Harding. She reports directly to Boris Johnson and the Cabinet Secretary (if we had one) and not to the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. (see Government Announcement). She is supported in this role by John Newton of PHE.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...amme-appointed
Other than Newton's supportive role it is not clear where PHE fits in the testing and tracing governance. What is clear is that it is not responsible for it. That sits fully in the hands of a Tory Peer reporting directly to the Prime Minister.
If you want to change your view that PHE is responsible for the 25,000 tracers who have contacted an average of less than two people each since test, track and trace was introduced from a simple yes to a simple no now would be a good time I guess.
You are a pedantic individual.
PHE is responsible as I mentioned earlier. Dido Harding was brought in to supposedly sort out T&T but that does not take the overall accountability away from PHE who are responsible for' preparing for and responding to public health emergencies. There is no other organisation in England with this responsibility.
PHE has been sadly lacking in this pandemic but that does not take away its responsibilities. In late April England Health Minister Jo Churchill told PHE that it needed to adjust its organisational activities and resourcing of priority activities in line with the scale of response to Covid-19'
A spokesperson for PHE very recently replied to the PMs non specific comments about sluggish response by some organisations said..' PHE is playing a key role in our response working on important issues such as detection, surveillance, contact tracing and testing. Were have made changes to our structure already, for instance WE HAVE SET UP FROM SCRATCH NHS TEST & TRACE and the Joint Bio-security centre'
So its not just me that say PHE is responsible, they are saying it themselves
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lisvaneblue
You are a pedantic individual.
PHE is responsible as I mentioned earlier. Dido Harding was brought in to supposedly sort out T&T but that does not take the overall accountability away from PHE who are responsible for' preparing for and responding to public health emergencies. There is no other organisation in England with this responsibility.
PHE has been sadly lacking in this pandemic but that does not take away its responsibilities. In late April England Health Minister Jo Churchill told PHE that it needed to adjust its organisational activities and resourcing of priority activities in line with the scale of response to Covid-19'
A spokesperson for PHE very recently replied to the PMs non specific comments about sluggish response by some organisations said..' PHE is playing a key role in our response working on important issues such as detection, surveillance, contact tracing and testing. Were have made changes to our structure already, for instance WE HAVE SET UP FROM SCRATCH NHS TEST & TRACE and the Joint Bio-security centre'
So its not just me that say PHE is responsible, they are saying it themselves
If I was being pedantic I would have pointed out that the quote you mentioned appeared in a Guardian article about Ministers seeking to transfer blame and responsibility to PHE. Rather than the selective quote you seem to give it was the Prime Minister's spokesman who made the quote.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ovid-19-errors
Asked whether PHE was under threat, the prime minister’s spokesman praised its role in the coronavirus crisis, but also stressed the need to ensure that institutions were “fit to cope” with future emergencies.
“Public Health England are playing a key role in our response, working on important issues such as detection, surveillance, contact-tracing and testing,” he said. “They have been working hard to help protect the country and to provide insight in our efforts to beat the virus.”
The spokesman added: “We’ve made changes to structures already, for instance we have set up, from scratch, NHS test and trace, and the joint biosecurity centre. Any future changes that we might make would be aimed at further strengthening our public health capability.”
When seen in that context it is obvious that the Prime Minister's spokesman when using the term we is referencing Boris Johnson's government and not PHE. This perfectly fits with the governance in which Dido Harding set up the test and trace system from scratch reporting directly to the Prime Minister.
I am sure you did not intentionally try to mislead to make your point though.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
That means nothing
You are not a doctor and as you seem to suggest anyone could carry out these tests
But that's your non medical opinion , watch the programme , you will gain more knowledge than just believing your own , non medical hyperbole
The opinion of the medical experts is that testing needs close medical supervision
And what it also doesnt need is the sister of the disgraced dominic cummings being a top cheese in the company involved in rolling out the test app , which ended up being bollocks
I may have missed something.
But no figures were provided to show that Germany's testing regime provided more accuracy because it was done by doctors.
It has been done this way in the UK for weeks and I can't recall seeing any reports from medical experts saying it was wrong doing it that way.
One german expert said that they used medical staff in case there was a problem taking a swab but again no figures were provided showing how often this happened.
The program doesn't seem to have generated much if anything in the media in the following days so doesn't seem to be the scandal this thread suggests.
I do agree that it doesn't look particularly good Dominic Cummings sister being involved in the app company.
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Elwood Blues
I may have missed something.
But no figures were provided to show that Germany's testing regime provided more accuracy because it was done by doctors.
It has been done this way in the UK for weeks and I can't recall seeing any reports from medical experts saying it was wrong doing it that way.
One german expert said that they used medical staff in case there was a problem taking a swab but again no figures were provided showing how often this happened.
The program doesn't seem to have generated much if anything in the media in the following days so doesn't seem to be the scandal this thread suggests.
I do agree that it doesn't look particularly good Dominic Cummings sister being involved in the app company.
To be fair, Sludge has got that completely wrong.
Alice Cummings is no relation whatsoever to Dominic Cummings. That was just a rumour that was started online.
The company that she works for also has nothing to do with the app or anything of it's sort.
https://fullfact.org/online/not-domi...mmings-sister/
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Heisenberg
To be fair, Sludge has got that completely wrong.
Alice Cummings is no relation whatsoever to Dominic Cummings. That was just a rumour that was started online.
The company that she works for also has nothing to do with the app or anything of it's sort.
https://fullfact.org/online/not-domi...mmings-sister/
In that case I must apologise to Mr Cummings.
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cyril evans awaydays
If I was being pedantic I would have pointed out that the quote you mentioned appeared in a Guardian article about Ministers seeking to transfer blame and responsibility to PHE. Rather than the selective quote you seem to give it was the Prime Minister's spokesman who made the quote.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ovid-19-errors
Asked whether PHE was under threat, the prime minister’s spokesman praised its role in the coronavirus crisis, but also stressed the need to ensure that institutions were “fit to cope” with future emergencies.
“Public Health England are playing a key role in our response, working on important issues such as detection, surveillance, contact-tracing and testing,” he said. “They have been working hard to help protect the country and to provide insight in our efforts to beat the virus.”
The spokesman added: “We’ve made changes to structures already, for instance we have set up, from scratch, NHS test and trace, and the joint biosecurity centre. Any future changes that we might make would be aimed at further strengthening our public health capability.”
When seen in that context it is obvious that the Prime Minister's spokesman when using the term we is referencing Boris Johnson's government and not PHE. This perfectly fits with the governance in which Dido Harding set up the test and trace system from scratch reporting directly to the Prime Minister.
I am sure you did not intentionally try to mislead to make your point though.
I apologise for the misquotation. Not intentional.
However I still maintain that ultimately PHE must be responsible. The fact that they were so off the mark that Bojo had to outsource Track and trace does not relinquish them of their responsibilities.
Faced with the most important thing they have been asked to manage for decades they have been found wanting and I doubt t they will survive in their present form for much longer
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lisvaneblue
I apologise for the misquotation. Not intentional.
However I still maintain that ultimately PHE must be responsible. The fact that they were so off the mark that Bojo had to outsource Track and trace does not relinquish them of their responsibilities.
Faced with the most important thing they have been asked to manage for decades they have been found wanting and I doubt t they will survive in their present form for much longer
I think your original response to the Panorama programme was to place most of the responsibility for the performance of NHS Track and Trace at PHE's door. I think we now both understand that this is a Dido/Johnson accountability and PHE are a bit player.
It may be that it did not perform brilliantly or have the capacity to do so whhen testing and tracing was dropped in favour of herd immunity as the virus took hold. I don't know enough about who made the recommendations and decisions around the go it alone app to know whether PHE had any culpability or whether the decision to "buy British" was political.
I think you are being a bit unfair in saying it was found wanting on its most important challenge for decades as I think I pointed out earlier it was formed by the Cameron government in 2013 and has been in existence for just over seven years.
I am reminded a it of one of the mantras of some of the change programmes I was involved in. Success has many parents....failure is an orphan!
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lisvaneblue
Ive now watch the programme and thought it the usual biased tripe served up by the BBC. The programme slammed the government for poor tracing and tracking but this is the responsibility of an autonomous quango Public health England.
The government can tell it what to do but not how....so all the downsides about our poor tracking and tracing, how it was done, where it was done, who saw the reports, who did the testing was down to PHE.
In my opinion PHE should be scrapped, they've spent years telling the public to avoid obesity whilst getting fat themselves. They are just about to build a new HQ in Harlow!
As for Weston hospital what a load of rubbish. OK PHE offered poor tracing but this hospital had one floor devoted to Covid patients and another floor to non-covid patients and the junior doctors looking after each floor were rotated every week. You couldn't make it up!!! Of course this was not reported in the Panorama programme
I think we may see the Dom take a sword to PHE along with other quangos and bloated ineffective organisations.
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cyril evans awaydays
I think your original response to the Panorama programme was to place most of the responsibility for the performance of NHS Track and Trace at PHE's door. I think we now both understand that this is a Dido/Johnson accountability and PHE are a bit player.
It may be that it did not perform brilliantly or have the capacity to do so whhen testing and tracing was dropped in favour of herd immunity as the virus took hold. I don't know enough about who made the recommendations and decisions around the go it alone app to know whether PHE had any culpability or whether the decision to "buy British" was political.
I think you are being a bit unfair in saying it was found wanting on its most important challenge for decades as I think I pointed out earlier it was formed by the Cameron government in 2013 and has been in existence for just over seven years.
I am reminded a it of one of the mantras of some of the change programmes I was involved in. Success has many parents....failure is an orphan!
I don't think Im being unfair on PHE. There was a test run on handling an epidemic in 2016 and no lessons seemed to be learned. I know the pandemic is a big challenge for it, but same goes for supermarkets, the UK medicines supply chain, and of course the NHS, plus many others that kept essentials going.
They stepped up to the plate but PHE barely got off the starting blocks.
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lisvaneblue
I apologise for the misquotation. Not intentional.
However I still maintain that ultimately PHE must be responsible. The fact that they were so off the mark that Bojo had to outsource Track and trace does not relinquish them of their responsibilities.
Faced with the most important thing they have been asked to manage for decades they have been found wanting and I doubt t they will survive in their present form for much longer
Yes they may not be directly responsible now but it would appeared that it was only the fact that they were so off the pace that a new track and trace system had to be set up.
But as I have said before,and I know it gets boring, but it will need a proper enquiry to see exactly where the problems were.
We are all (and I include myself of course) guilty of not seeing the full picture and tainting our response with our own point of view,often because there is so much information out there that it is hard to see the wood from the trees.
And we all tend toselect those bits that suit our view.
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Elwood Blues
Yes they may not be directly responsible now but it would appeared that it was only the fact that they were so off the pace that a new track and trace system had to be set up.
But as I have said before,and I know it gets boring, but it will need a proper enquiry to see exactly where the problems were.
We are all (and I include myself of course) guilty of not seeing the full picture and tainting our response with our own point of view,often because there is so much information out there that it is hard to see the wood from the trees.
And we all tend toselect those bits that suit our view.
I broadly agree with the points you make but what we are getting from Boris Johnson is "now is not the time" for such an enquiry.
This does not seem to have stopped either he or the team at No 10 feeding little drips of poison into the media against who they think should be the scapegoats for the failures (i.e not them).
In this regard it also suits that PHE, rightly or wrongly, are one of the main targets of these negative briefings as, pointed out earlier, they report directly to DHSC, whose Secretary of State, Matt Hancock is surely being lined up as one of the fall guys to take a bullet for Johnson and Cummings.
Where the truth is in all of this heaven knows but in modern populist politics that seems to be one of the last concerns.
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cyril evans awaydays
I broadly agree with the points you make but what we are getting from Boris Johnson is "now is not the time" for such an enquiry.
This does not seem to have stopped either he or the team at No 10 feeding little drips of poison into the media against who they think should be the scapegoats for the failures (i.e not them).
In this regard it also suits that PHE, rightly or wrongly, are one of the main targets of these negative briefings as, pointed out earlier, they report directly to DHSC, whose Secretary of State, Matt Hancock is surely being lined up as one of the fall guys to take a bullet for Johnson and Cummings.
Where the truth is in all of this heaven knows but in modern populist politics that seems to be one of the last concerns.
I tend to agree that now is not the time for an enquiry but it shouldn't be too long
probably one should be set up in the autumn or early in the new year at the latest.
Number 10 is always doing negative briefings under any Prime Minister.
I note though that Boris Johnston is apparently going to set up a daily press briefing from the autumn, with an experienced broadcaster running it
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Elwood Blues
I tend to agree that now is not the time for an enquiry but it shouldn't be too long
probably one should be set up in the autumn or early in the new year at the latest.
Number 10 is always doing negative briefings under any Prime Minister.
I note though that Boris Johnston is apparently going to set up a daily press briefing from the autumn, with an experienced broadcaster running it
Maybe the government can publish a Covid Enquiry Report at the same time as the Russia Interference Report. Some time after 2035 is now looking favourite!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hensible-delay
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jon1959
That soon ??????
Doesn't make me full of confidence that Chris Fayling (sorry finger slipped meant Grayling of course. Oh and I left the r out. How careless of me)
is likely to be the Chair of the committee that will review the report!!
You and I have some different political views but I think we can agree that Chris G hasn't been the finest Cabinet Minister in the world.
You might say that is an understatement.
You might be right!
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Elwood Blues
That soon ??????
Doesn't make me full of confidence that Chris Fayling (sorry finger slipped meant Grayling of course. Oh and I left the r out. How careless of me)
is likely to be the Chair of the committee that will review the report!!
You and I have some different political views but I think we can agree that Chris G hasn't been the finest Cabinet Minister in the world.
You might say that is an understatement.
You might be right!
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