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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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ninian opinian
Funny, but I also found it moving - these are hard times to maintain a faith in the belief that people are fundamentally decent, but they are, we’re not all like those some of us have put into power.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Lie after lie. Then you get the people who parrot these lies on social media (like the one about how without Brexit the vaccine rollout would have been delayed) without doing their own research.
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Originally Posted by
Swiss Peter
Lie after lie. Then you get the people who parrot these lies on social media (like the one about how without Brexit the vaccine rollout would have been delayed) without doing their own research.
The very serious problem is that if these lies are shouted loudly enough and often enough
they become deeply etched in people's memory. Try shifting them then: it becomes virtually impossible.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Lied about Starmer regarding Savile.
Lied about crime statistics.
Lied about employment figures.
"I believed, the party I obviously didn't attend was a work meeting, the bottle of chateauneuf du pape I was carrying was a birthday present given to me by an adoring staff member. Honest. Would I lie to you? I'm the Prime Minister for ****s sake!"
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
So he's been caught out by a photo taken by an official photographer who was also at the shindig?
Fuucking howling, you wouldn't do an armed robbery with these dull fuuckers would you.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
So he's been caught out by a photo taken by an official photographer who was also at the shindig?
Fuucking howling, you wouldn't do an armed robbery with these dull fuuckers would you.
Apart from being an unscrupulous, lying b**t"rd he should be defenestrated for being too thick to qualify as a PM. Please, to just what depths is our beloved country prepared to trawl?
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
If that report is correct, the Chancellor, who is already acting as if the election for a successor to Johnson has begun, broke the law of the time as well.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
So one of the changes made by the Prime Minister who tells us he gets it, is to appoint a Cabinet member as Chief of Staff - El Presidente Johnson moves ever closer.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
So one of the changes made by the Prime Minister who tells us he gets it, is to appoint a Cabinet member as Chief of Staff - El Presidente Johnson moves ever closer.
Apparently he had problems finding an outsider to do the job.
Perhaps they didn't fancy a short term contract!!
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Apparently he had problems finding an outsider to do the job.
Perhaps they didn't fancy a short term contract!!
Which self respecting professional would want to be contaminated by him?
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
Boris Johnson really is a role model!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-boris-johnson
An inspiration!
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
That unsavoury little spectacle will generate a few more letters to Graham Brady one would think. He might be channeling his Gloria Gaynor but a few more Tories will be singing "The Party's Over".
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
It's disgusting how many MP's are treated now. But it is no use only being upset when it happens to your side. This has been going on for several years and to all MPs.
This same lot (Piers Corbyns crowd) are the ones who targeted Michael Gove last year.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
Rees-Mogg becomes Minister for Brexit Opportunities - he’ll get plenty of chances for another kip on the Government benches with that job.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's disgusting how many MP's are treated now. But it is no use only being upset when it happens to your side. This has been going on for several years and to all MPs.
This same lot (Piers Corbyns crowd) are the ones who targeted Michael Gove last year.
Quite right, although it's fair to say in the case of Keir Starmer being harrassed/attacked, the loopers carrying out the harrassment/attack were stoked up with lies that were stated by the country's PM only days before.
Unless of course, I've missed Starmer, Raynor or anyone else suggesting Gove covered for paedophiles in a previous parliamentary questions session and that was the reason he was attacked? If so, I'll stand corrected.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Rees-Mogg becomes Minister for Brexit Opportunities - he’ll get plenty of chances for another kip on the Government benches with that job.
That's one job created by Brexit.
Got to start somewhere.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Rees-Mogg becomes Minister for Brexit Opportunities - he’ll get plenty of chances for another kip on the Government benches with that job.
An oxymoron led by a proper moron!
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Quite right, although it's fair to say in the case of Keir Starmer being harrassed/attacked, the loopers carrying out the harrassment/attack were stoked up with lies that were stated by the country's PM only days before.
Unless of course, I've missed Starmer, Raynor or anyone else suggesting Gove covered for paedophiles in a previous parliamentary questions session and that was the reason he was attacked? If so, I'll stand corrected.
I think that's the point though; they weren't. If you listen to the video, they are shouting abuse at him for a variety of things; not challenging the government, supporting masks etc. It's a real political stew of consipiracy theorists and the far left and far right. The 'Jimmy Savile' thing has been thrown at Starmer for many years. I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture.
I genuinely find it repulsive how people talk about politicians. I find some of the comments on here repulsive, I find many of them on twitter repulsive, and I find a lot of them in parliament itself repulsive. Politicians are getting targeted all the time, and one was stabbed to death a few months ago.
But claiming that the group that verbally abused Starmer were only there cos of what Johnson said was borderline Orwellian and some seriously bad reporting from the BBC. It just wasn't true. This was an established group saying the same nasty shit they have to many politicians for many months.
I think Johnson should resign, but twisting the truth on what happened isn't the way to get it to happen.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I think that's the point though; they weren't. If you listen to the video, they are shouting abuse at him for a variety of things; not challenging the government, supporting masks etc. It's a real political stew of consipiracy theorists and the far left and far right. The 'Jimmy Savile' thing has been thrown at Starmer for many years. I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture.
I genuinely find it repulsive how people talk about politicians. I find some of the comments on here repulsive, I find many of them on twitter repulsive, and I find a lot of them in parliament itself repulsive. Politicians are getting targeted all the time, and one was stabbed to death a few months ago.
But claiming that the group that verbally abused Starmer were only there cos of what Johnson said was borderline Orwellian and some seriously bad reporting from the BBC. It just wasn't true. This was an established group saying the same nasty shit they have to many politicians for many months.
I think Johnson should resign, but twisting the truth on what happened isn't the way to get it to happen.
You make it sound like politics being where we are today came out of the ether. For all their frailties I cannot recall Cameron or May creating a culture of overt populism and cultural confrontation.
Boris Johnson may not be single-handedly responsible for things. He is responsible for setting the tone and structure of government that unashamedly lies, protects people who have gone way beyond resignation norms and elevates third raters and sycophants for their loyalty to the cult. Leaders can take steps to address the poison in society rather than ride its wave.
As Lord Heseltine said of him:
"A man who waits to see which way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says ‘follow me’"
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I think that's the point though; they weren't. If you listen to the video, they are shouting abuse at him for a variety of things; not challenging the government, supporting masks etc. It's a real political stew of consipiracy theorists and the far left and far right. The 'Jimmy Savile' thing has been thrown at Starmer for many years. I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture.
I genuinely find it repulsive how people talk about politicians. I find some of the comments on here repulsive, I find many of them on twitter repulsive, and I find a lot of them in parliament itself repulsive. Politicians are getting targeted all the time, and one was stabbed to death a few months ago.
But claiming that the group that verbally abused Starmer were only there cos of what Johnson said was borderline Orwellian and some seriously bad reporting from the BBC. It just wasn't true. This was an established group saying the same nasty shit they have to many politicians for many months.
I think Johnson should resign, but twisting the truth on what happened isn't the way to get it to happen.
"I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture."
Jesus fuuck buddy... Are you being nuanced or trying to polish a turd?
So fuelling the fire for complete loopers to act impulsively and harass opposition is now seen as a legitimate strategy?
I know you're not personally endorsing thus behaviour but you don't seem to be condemning it either, more like a half soaked admission that perhaps it shouldn't have happened?
You are right in saying, the group who had a pop at Starmer are made up of a myriad of groups but they feel empowered to act as they do when a PM willingly repeats lies which they feel supports their cause and justifies their actions.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
"I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture."
Jesus fuuck buddy... Are you being nuanced or trying to polish a turd?
So fuelling the fire for complete loopers to act impulsively and harass opposition is now seen as a legitimate strategy?
I know you're not personally endorsing thus behaviour but you don't seem to be condemning it either, more like a half soaked admission that perhaps it shouldn't have happened?
You are right in saying, the group who had a pop at Starmer are made up of a myriad of groups but they feel empowered to act as they do when a PM willingly repeats lies which they feel supports their cause and justifies their actions.
Think the vileness was out there already ,even Whitty was attacked
Gove was targeted by anti-lockdown protesters
And the journalists Nick Watt and Jeremy Vine been targeted.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
"I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture."
Jesus fuuck buddy... Are you being nuanced or trying to polish a turd?
So fuelling the fire for complete loopers to act impulsively and harass opposition is now seen as a legitimate strategy?
I know you're not personally endorsing thus behaviour but you don't seem to be condemning it either, more like a half soaked admission that perhaps it shouldn't have happened?
You are right in saying, the group who had a pop at Starmer are made up of a myriad of groups but they feel empowered to act as they do when a PM willingly repeats lies which they feel supports their cause and justifies their actions.
1 / No, he shouldnt have said it.
2/ I don't think the protestors abusing Starmer were motivated by what he said at all - they have form.
3 / He receives constant personal abuse. Many politicians are endlessly on the receipt of it. He didnt start that, and unless people condemn it all then they are tolerating it.
We need to remember that even someone like David Lammy doubled down on calling some Tory MPs 'Nazis'. It may not be nice for Starmer to be linked to a paedophile, but it's worse to be linked to a death cult from 70 years ago who threw children in gas chambers.
Thats my point, this stuff has been put out into the political discourse for several years now and I have to say the silence when it happens to one side is pretty notable.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ys-david-lammy
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
1 / No, he shouldnt have said it.
2/ I don't think the protestors abusing Starmer were motivated by what he said at all - they have form.
3 / He receives constant personal abuse. Many politicians are endlessly on the receipt of it. He didnt start that, and unless people condemn it all then they are tolerating it.
We need to remember that even someone like David Lammy doubled down on calling some Tory MPs 'Nazis'. It may not be nice for Starmer to be linked to a paedophile, but it's worse to be linked to a death cult from 70 years ago who threw children in gas chambers.
Thats my point, this stuff has been put out into the political discourse for several years now and I have to say the silence when it happens to one side is pretty notable.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ys-david-lammy
David Lammy is just as bad as Boris with this dreadful comment sadly its part of the bigger problem of nasty politics.
You could argue Trump politics exists in both parties , if you point a finger at Boris and his language surely the same goes for this comment by Lammy comparing ERG Brexit group to Nazis and he backs it up with ‘not strong enough’ dear lord how does that sound to Jewish people whose relatives died at the hands of the Nazis in gas chambers and they get compared too Brexiteers , nasty ,nasty socialist comments up there with nasty Right wing politics .
What shocks me Lammy even after this comment Labour think fit to promote him , dear lord we say Tories are bankrupt .
Its sits with the fact anti-Semitism existed in the Labour Party equally a disgusting poor behaviour.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
dear lord we say Tories are bankrupt .
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Agreed.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
David Lammy is just as bad as Boris with this dreadful comment sadly its part of the bigger problem of nasty politics.
You could argue Trump politics exists in both parties , if you point a finger at Boris and his language surely the same goes for this comment by Lammy comparing ERG Brexit group to Nazis and he backs it up with ‘not strong enough’ dear lord how does that sound to Jewish people whose relatives died at the hands of the Nazis in gas chambers and they get compared too Brexiteers , nasty ,nasty socialist comments up there with nasty Right wing politics .
What shocks me Lammy even after this comment Labour think fit to promote him , dear lord we say Tories are bankrupt .
Its sits with the fact anti-Semitism existed in the Labour Party equally a disgusting poor behaviour.
I'm choughed you're mentioning this. There's plenty to crow about.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Think the vileness was out there already ,even Whitty was attacked
Gove was targeted by anti-lockdown protesters
And the journalists Nick Watt and Jeremy Vine been targeted.
Correct LoM the loopers are out there which is why they shouldn't be condoned, supported or given justification by anyone but especially by the bloke masquerading as the PM.
Dan Hodges made a point mind that he thinks Johndon is repeating the conspiracy theorists rather than them being stoked by Johnson.
If so, it's the first thing the bumbling cuuntwaffle has paid attention to apart from perhaps the Christmas quiz held at number 10?
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
I'm choughed you're mentioning this. There's plenty to crow about.
I’d leave it there if I were you, we don’t want him to Carrion like he usually does.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Correct LoM the loopers are out there which is why they shouldn't be condoned, supported or given justification by anyone but especially by the bloke masquerading as the PM.
Dan Hodges made a point mind that he thinks Johndon is repeating the conspiracy theorists rather than them being stoked by Johnson.
If so, it's the first thing the bumbling cuuntwaffle has paid attention to apart from perhaps the Christmas quiz held at number 10?
You make a reasonable point. Starmer was head of the organisation that failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile, but he didn't personally have any involvement. I don't know how common it is for the head of the organisation to intervene, but I would suggest it's unreasonable to expect it.
As such, do you think people who personally blame Johnson for things like '150,000' deaths, or Teresa May for Grenfell is equally inappropriate?
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
You make a reasonable point. Starmer was head of the organisation that failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile, but he didn't personally have any involvement. I don't know how common it is for the head of the organisation to intervene, but I would suggest it's unreasonable to expect it.
As such, do you think people who personally blame Johnson for things like '150,000' deaths, or Teresa May for Grenfell is equally inappropriate?
:hehe:
Are you honestly and really comparing Starmer apparent failure to prosecute Savile, May being PM whilst a tragedy took place on a single day to Johnson's numerous mistakes, absences of leadership leading up and alleged parties during the pandemic?
Fair play to you but that's a bit of a reach:biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
:hehe:
Are you honestly and really comparing Starmer apparent failure to prosecute Savile, May being PM whilst a tragedy took place on a single day to Johnson's numerous mistakes, absences of leadership leading up and alleged parties during the pandemic?
Fair play to you but that's a bit of a reach:biggrin:
Sorry, is it not the same principle? I've those at the head of an organisation not being personally responsible for it? That's your argument isn't it?
Can you please clarify what the rules are here?!🤣
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Sorry, is it not the same principle? I've those at the head of an organisation not being personally responsible for it? That's your argument isn't it?
Can you please clarify what the rules are here?!🤣
Use that self proclaimed ability of yours by looking at the three situations in a nuanced manner.:biggrin:
I’m sure you can spot subtle differences between them?
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Jordi Culé
Use that self proclaimed ability of yours by looking at the three situations in a nuanced manner.:biggrin:
I’m sure you can spot subtle differences between them?
Ha, thanks.
Look, I get it. Johnson shouldn't have said it.
My point is applying this consistently. It's a fact that Starmer was head of an organisation that (with hindsight) made a huge error.
The same goes for a lot in government. Is it not common to us we phrases such as 'the fish rots from the head down' and 'the person at the top is ultimately responsible' etc?
Will we not be doing that going forward then?
I think a huge stupid fuss was made over it. He shouldn't have said it but then again the reaction was OTT.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Ha, thanks.
Look, I get it. Johnson shouldn't have said it.
My point is applying this consistently. It's a fact that Starmer was head of an organisation that (with hindsight) made a huge error.
The same goes for a lot in government. Is it not common to us we phrases such as 'the fish rots from the head down' and 'the person at the top is ultimately responsible' etc?
Will we not be doing that going forward then?
I think a huge stupid fuss was made over it. He shouldn't have said it but then again the reaction was OTT.
Hmmm...
I'm not sure you do get the point or you're deliberately obfuscating the point?
You're comparing the CPS not prosecuting Savile whilst Starmer was top dawg and May being PM whilst the Grenfell tragedy occurred with Johnsons mistakes made during the Covid pandemic.
Come on buddy, you can do it.
We're in agreement that Johnson shouldn't have said it but let's be honest, he feels its a legitimate strategy for deflecting shiit away from him.
You are right though, that's where politics is at the moment. Embarrassing and extremely worrying.
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Re: Mike Bassett: England Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Hmmm...
I'm not sure you do get the point or you're deliberately obfuscating the point?
You're comparing the CPS not prosecuting Savile whilst Starmer was top dawg and May being PM whilst the Grenfell tragedy occurred with Johnsons mistakes made during the Covid pandemic.
Come on buddy, you can do it.
We're in agreement that Johnson shouldn't have said it but let's be honest, he feels its a legitimate strategy for deflecting shiit away from him.
You are right though, that's where politics is at the moment. Embarrassing and extremely worrying.
It's all shit. Lets just have a beer yeah 😘