NML came from League 1. So did Moore. He's here to do a job until the end of the season - Just like McCarthy.
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We signed Moore from Wigan after he had a good season for them and had scored a decent amount of goals in the Championship. Wigan only got relegated because they went into administration and had a huge points deduction. They were mid-table before the points deduction came into play after the final whistle of their last game of the season.
Also, if you think Williams would only be here until the end of the season then why are we allegedly spending £200k on him? That would be even worse business than I already think it is.
The point is that Wales managers have picked him in front players with big reputations who have commanded and would command far bigger fees than £250k - straight away that makes him someone worth considering.
Your definition of the term crock is different to mine.
The point is that he's not better than what we have already in midfield and I don't rate our midfield at all.
Ralls, Vaulks, Pack and Bacuna would likely walk into any team in League One yet Williams isn't starting for Charlton.
Saying we need someone in midfield might as well say we need to sign "anyone" in midfield. Let's just sign Darren Pratley, I think he's getting more games than Williams at Charlton.
Some of the arguments on here today are honestly baffling to me.
If that is the argument: if they can't last 90mins then they surely must have the required quality to influence a game when they do play?
Williams has never shown that in League football.
I mentioned Wilshere earlier. I can see why Bournemouth took a punt on him as he's shown that he can perform in the Premier League despite his injury problems. Williams hasn't even looked a good quality Championship player when he's played in the division.
There's too many reasons not to sign him imo.
And some of the closed minds in this thread aren’t baffling me at all. The attitude already remarked upon about anybody who is more willing to consider the prospect of signing Williams only doing so because he is Welsh is a bit childish isn’t it? I set out at some length what I thought was a logical argument as to why in this particular case for this particular player the fact that he is Welsh is relevant- so far, it’s been completely ignored.
**** me this forum :hehe:
Let's have Johnny Williams playing as a 10 in front of Harry Arter and Joe Ledley, some of you guys have to be Swansea fans on a wind up
God knows where Williams got his nickname from, I think Will Vaulks has more contributions than Williams and he's only played 3 seasons at this level! As for him being Welsh, he may represent us internationally but the guy was born in Kent, let's not trip over ourselves for some injury prone league 1 player cause he has a few caps for Wales
... But some people have claimed that they want him to sign because he's Welsh and another poster has said that he's defending the signing a lot more than he would have if Williams wasn't Welsh. You can look back for yourself should you wish.
The other reasons that have been given include his age, his position on the pitch and the fact that he's affordable. Those reasons are completely baffling.
Your argument that he's been picked over other players for Wales on a few occasions doesn't seem like much of an argument to me to either.
How many competitive games did he start for Wales last year? 1. When we were missing Ramsey, Lawrence and Brooks (Ben Woodburn was even in the squad for that one btw)
How many times did he come on as a sub? 0
So, even though it's not quite as baffling as some other reasons given,
it's stilll not a strong argument to be made either imo.
If it was a loan until the end of the season then not a terrible idea.
I think if I was Tan I'd be asking MM to get the most from Wilson and then Tomlin hopefully back in a few weeks.
With a new manager expected in the summer I don't really like the idea of injury prone players coming in and I do see him as a bit of a niche kind it player for a new manager.
Not totally against it but probably rather we didn't.
I remember when we signed Will Vaulks, there were a fair few who were spinning cartwheels over the signing. I didn't have a clue as i'd never seen him play. Whenever we pick up a bit of an unknown player there's an expert or two on here who must've watched the respective player at least six times, not only that, but must have obviously studied said player. When Arter signed people were bigging up his ability to play and his obvious football brain, again, i didn't have a clue. I does make me reach the conclusion that some people on here are completely full of shit.
The more I find out about this man, this story MUST be bollocks.
If it happened, on the back of dropping Harry Wilson and repeated Flint selection. I'd be worried about MMs state of mind.
I really hope this transfer doesn't happen, this guy doesn't offer too much in my opinion.
Also I hope we don't get into this syndrome of signing players because they're Welsh; that would be a disastrous move. We need players here solely on merit and affordability. In which case I'd be much happier if we sought better bargains from the foreign market.
I know we're in the minority here TOBW but I'm not completely against this deal either.
I think hes got something about him and appears to have avoided any significant injuries last few seasons; which would be my major concern.
Yes he's not setting the world alight at Charlton but his wages should be relatively low due to the League One wage-cap. The idea that he would be coming into a team of better players ( :hehe: ) would hopefully help him be at his best.
I don't have a huge amount to base around why I think he's worth a punt at what I understand is pretty much a free transfer; aside from what I've seen him do at international level. Does that mean I just want us to sign him because he's welsh? No. He's just someone I'm familar with.
I'm all for signing younger players and glad to see we're trying to restructure that side of our recruitment but thats never going to just change overnight. The signings of Watters and NG make me believe that our intentions are changing.
Sounds like it will happen anyway. 18 months with a years option on our behalf would be my guess.
Yes, to be fair, I should have had a look at Williams’ figures before getting so involved in this thread, but, having now done so, I was surprised to see that he’d made forty four appearances for Charlton in the last season and a half. So, that’s a figure that confirms he hasn’t been an automatic selection in a team that has been below us for most of that time, but hardly qualifies them as a “crock” - he’s also featured eight times for Wales in the last two years.
I can understand people having reservations about this possible signing and share them to a large degree when it comes to his injury record, but the degree to which people are against it surprises me - hostility is too strong a word to use, but I can’t remember this sort of reaction when we were signing Isaac Vassell for what could have been twelve times the fee that is being reported for Williams ( I note you saying it will be a lot less than that).
I'm not in favour of him signing either. But...McCarthy know him, and he is good running with the ball and creating things. He could play off the bench or in the middle with two from Bacuna, Ralls, Vaulks or Pack. We do need an extra body or two at the moment.
Having said that he is always injured and inconsistent when he plays, so he should fit in here fine! But surely there must be a promising 22/23 year old somewhere we could pick up for the same money. We'll be signing Adam Matthews, Tom Lockyer or Deji Oshilaja next.
I think it would be a crazy signing myself but I've seen plenty of those in recent years. I'd wish him luck and hope it comes off for us if it happens. Just surprised by your stance here. It took me about two minutes to find this quote, I'm sure I could find plenty more if I wanted.
With Sang, Evans, Waite and Colwill as young attacking midfielders here I'd have thought you'd be mortified to find the club blocking their pathway to the first team before the new manager has even seen them play an under 23 game.
I'm a bit bored of his press conferences already :hehe: so can't say I was paying full attention.
I thought he had said that he was discussing some targets with the scouting guys but didnt notice him allude to specifically signing a player we were already looking at. Certainly didnt mention it post-match (that conference was a lot shorter!!).
I'd be shocked if he has not brought Williams to the table.
I can understand why some people are being a bit sceptical, but I've seen enough of Williams in a Wales shirt to suggest he could offer us something that we need at the moment, a bit more energy and invention in midfield.
no he's not going to turn into a premier League creative midfielder, but for the money such a thing is very hard to find.
Williams was hauled off at half-time during his last appearance for Charlton against Swindon (23/01/21) with his side 2-0 behind. He was an unused sub in their latest game last Tuesday.
From a Charlton fan's blog report of the Swindon game:
"Our now weekly procession of early second-half substitutions started with Andrew Shinnie coming on for Jonny Williams. I love Jonny but he looks to me like he's been struggling this season with the pace of games. He can't do more than hour anyway and looks an older player than his 27 years. You could be forgiven for thinking he is a veteran of over 300 games, but in reality he has only made around 170-odd first-team appearances (60 for us) in his whole career."
Sounds perfect for a progressive, forward-thinking club like Cardiff.
I'm sure there are plenty of quotes of mine you could find to show what you think is a contradictory attitude, but what someone says at a certain time shouldn't automatically be what they say at another one because circumstances change and I would say they have at City.
For a start, let's look at the situation that is likely to face whoever is our manager when the transfer window opens in the summer. In particular, let's consider the position in which Jonny Williams is likely to play which I'd say is wing or attacking midfielder through the middle. This summer, the situation in those positions will, surely, be something like;-
Hoilett - out of contract and reaching the veteran stage
Wilson - pretty sure Liverpool would be looking to sell him and, even if we could afford him, is there any real chance of him signing for us given his experiences here this season?
Ojo - same as Wilson, but he could be within our price range, so it seems possible he could be back next season.
Murphy - going into the last year of his contract, so, for me, it would be sensible to try and sell him for a variety of reasons including he hasn't looked happy here since Warnock left him out of that Fulham game.
Whyte - could play so well at Hull that we'd love to have him back, but I doubt it, it seems more likely he'll be out on loan again or, possibly sold if, say, Hull get promoted.
Tomlin - fitness and age issues, I'd say it's unlikely that we'll see the Tomlin of 19/20 again, but he could still be an influence on games and I'd say it's likely he'll be here next season.
I could also go into details about likely issues at full back, centreback and goalkeeper (Smithies is another one I'd consider selling in the summer), while I think our midfield needs a clear out and complete rebuild. However, sticking to Williams' positions, if we sign him today on, say, the eighteen month contract that's been mentioned above that's one of what needs to be five or six players in that position covered for 21/22 - you make it sound as if his arrival slams the door for the four young players you mention, whereas it seems to me that the summer coming up should represent the best opportunity there's been for young players to break into the first team squad in ages in all areas of the pitch.
If it were my decision, James Waite would have played first team football by now and would be a regular member of the senior squad, but I think that train has left the station now so to speak. However, I'd say anyone who the players you name trusts when it comes to their careers should be telling them to keep their head down, train hard and play as they can in the next few weeks and months because they have a great chance of breaking through given what's likely to happen with the senior players in their positions currently at the club.
Welshlad is usually right when it comes to new signings and if he says Williams is "pretty much a free transfer" then I believe him - if we were paying £500k or above for him, my attitude would be different, but I think he's worth taking a chance on given the likely cost in terms of fee and wages.
Bowyer has confirmed he’s having a medical here
Mick McCarthy and Jonny Williams, would have been content with this about 7 years ago.
Looks like he's on his way from that link.
New player hopefully match fit, fresh face in the MF desperately needed albeit not the ideal profile, one who will be keen to impress.
I expect our fortunes to improve, short term at least and we will hopefully all get behind JW and wish him well.
If I was the parent of a promising u18/u23 player on the verge of breaking into the first team though, I'd be thinking a bit differently.
The fee and likely wage are more in keeping with the type of transfers we are likely to be making, but the player’s injury record plus lack of goals / assists for a creative player means he’ll be a squad player at best. I don’t see him as a regular starter in a team aiming for promotion at this level, whilst his performances at international level are no more significant than those of Gavin Whyte for example.