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Taken from Talksport:
"Manchester United have resigned from the European Club Association (ECA) and executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward has stepped down from his role on the UEFA Professional Football Strategy Council.
It is understood all 12 clubs have resigned from the ECA and their respective representatives from the ECA board.
This news comes after Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli resigned from his role as ECA chairman, with the founder clubs of the new European Super League set to forge their own future in the game.
Man City chief exec Ferran Soriano has also stood down from his role at UEFA."
Its happening isn't it. As other posters said above, these clubs (fanchises!) would have already gone through every scenario of potential backlash in anticipation before the announcements for the super league, and they don't give a damn.
Shocking.
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the other bob wilson
Strangely enough, this proposal brings to mind the autumn rugby internationals we get now which take up most of November. Time was, a Wales v New Zealand or Wales v South Africa match was a real event, but, with frequent summer tours to these countries as well, there’s been a degree of overkill and, although I don’t think this applies to matches with New Zealand, there have been games with Australia and South Africa in Cardiff that have not been sell outs. Now, I know this new league will be more about numbers watching at home, the sort of hype we’re bound to see accompanying it will be a bit hollow if matches begin to take place in front of empty seats.
As things stand, half of the teams to commit are English and it may be that one or more of the other permanent sides will be from that country as well- add in one or more English sides who are among the five qualifiers and people will have trouble differentiating between the ESL and the Premier League - I think the marketing men for this league could end up having a tougher task than they realise.
Lots of similarities. Especially with CVC's new involvement in the 6 nations and autumn nations Cup and JP Morgan being instrumental in the setup of this euro league.
The cvc deal was the main reason talk of Italy getting booted out the 6 nations went away. They're a joke but they're worth more than Georgia. In 10 years time. When Arsenal and Spurs have filled the bottom 2 spots for 8 years in a row, maybe similar conversations will be had in football 🤣
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Wait till they start having the pre season draft and player auction from the Sheiks Palace in Qatar only available Live on SKY Sports with Jim White and the team wearing Black and Yellow .
Who'll get the top reserve price?
All players will get a season long contract with a % of their auction fee and shirt sales,etc ... I am sure that will get player agents onside
Who'll get Mbappe, Haaland, Salah,De Bruyne?? Each team can have their marquee signing announced and paraded wearing next seasons shirt ...... " dont forget to kiss the badge , its good for sales "
So "do you want to sign for Leicester" Jamie Vardy or get picked up in ECL super League on £500k a week plus benefits ?? hmmm....
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The Super League represents the Americanisation of football: a world in which, however much you lose on the field, you are guaranteed to win off it.
Businesses loathe the meritocracy, jeopardy and randomness of sport. So the Super League removes these
https://twitter.com/timwig/status/1384055332251455488
The other classic Americanism of sport is moving franchises (sometimes overnight to avoid backlash) thousands of miles away to new markets.
Fans need to boycott any club that signs up to this, boycott the subscription service for the super league and boycott any sporting franchise owned by these owners. Otherwise the market in London or New York might be more attractive than staying in Liverpool...
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Liverpool Red Sox - playing 6 games at Fenway Park
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surge
The other classic Americanism of sport is moving franchises (sometimes overnight to avoid backlash) thousands of miles away to new markets.
Fans need to boycott any club that signs up to this, boycott the subscription service for the super league and boycott any sporting franchise owned by these owners. Otherwise the market in London or New York might be more attractive than staying in Liverpool...
This is the inevitable end point of it though isn't it? "Hmm, we've got 6 franchises in the English market but nobody in Scandinavia or America, lets move Spurs to Stockholm and Man City to New York"
There's been talk of clubs showing the games on their own subscription channels and Sky's reaction will hardly have endeared them to the breakaway clubs
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Rjk
boycott the 12 clubs, boycott their sponsors. do it TODAY
main sponsors: Emirates, Plus500, 3, Rakuten, pirelli, jeep, standard chartered, Etihad, Chevrolet, AIA
boycott them all
will it make enough difference? probably not, as has been said there are millions of fans in other countries who will make up the difference.
I will be doing it though, at least I'll know I tried
I'm going to find boycotting those very easy
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What would you regard as the highlights of Cardiff's 2013/14 Premier League campaign?
Signing Jo Inge Berget and Zaha.
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I'm going to find boycotting those very easy
I have been already for years.
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As British fans I think we are more emotionally attached to the historical element of our clubs but there is a world wide market of football fans who’ll buy into this without any of our concerns !! Remember it is only a televised game to them and do they follow a club or the star players ?
For example, Egyptian fans wear Liverpool shirts because Salah plays for them , if he moved to Real Madrid ..what do you think they will do ...follow Madrid or stay loyal to Liverpool? Messi signs for Manchester City , will these fans ditch their Barcelona shirt and get the new Manchester City one ....It’s just like the NBA ...people wearing LeBron shirts from whatever team he plays for ...
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I have been already for years.
No more jeeps for me, well obviously I'll take delivery of the one I've already ordered
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No more jeeps for me, well obviously I'll take delivery of the one I've already ordered
at least try to cut down if you can't quit them altogether
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Haven't factchecked but this has been suggested:
Basically what's happening is that these owners see more money in global fans, are scared that they can make bad decisions which loses them access to this market (Arsenal post-Wenger, Barcelona's massive debt, Juve when they get caught with illegal activity) and some are bored with dominating their domestic leagues despite already broken financial rules being the main contributor towards that. Potentially also fear "soccer" becoming a number 2 sport with NFL reaching out to new markets.
But if you're miffed at the ultra-capitalists' version of football wait until you see what it also does to food standards, access to health etc.
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Next time I fly etihad or Emirates I'm going to drink so much booze they lose on my ticket. Might even soil myself so they really get the message!!
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The Lone Gunman
I don't know what the alternative is, but as things stand this appears to be a power struggle between a cluster of mega-rich, unscrupulous football club owners and a couple of notoriously corrupt governing bodies. I've no idea how it will play out. All I know for sure is the notion that football in this country would somehow be better off without the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Liverpool is just nonsense.
The clubs haven't shown all their cards yet, they'll have answers to all these arguments, no doubt. Keep a side in the PL, albeit a slightly weaker one, with the other PL clubs now having a much easier route to the Champions League with these 6 out of the way. More money for the likes of Leicester, WHU, Everton, etc, so they won't object too strongly.
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The Lone Gunman
I don't know what the alternative is, but as things stand this appears to be a power struggle between a cluster of mega-rich, unscrupulous football club owners and a couple of notoriously corrupt governing bodies. I've no idea how it will play out. All I know for sure is the notion that football in this country would somehow be better off without the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Liverpool is just nonsense.
There's no good option here, unless you can forcibly sell the clubs and roll back the damage these parasites have done for the last 20/30 years.
There comes a time when enough is enough though. If they get this through, they're guaranteeing themselves 6 clubs 350m a season. What's the point in anyone else bothering? Time to take a stand. Whatever happens now, massive repercussions need to happen. Football will suffer. Kick them out, relegate them, I am past caring.
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Still laughing about spurs being in there. I'm guessing glamour, club history and current footballing ability weren't the criteria to be picked
They must have just looked at the stadiums
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they promised to sack Mouriniho if they could join ....
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There's no good option here.....
Any scenario in which FIFA, UEFA and the Premier League are seen as the good guys definitely has no good option.
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The news about Mourinho this morning is even more interesting given the ESL announcement because it highlights a situation which I think even those fans of the six clubs who are okay with the proposals may need to bear in mind. Out of the six English clubs whose involvement has been confirmed so far, how many would you say are run better and more successful now than they were under their previous ownership?
I'd answer that by saying that Chelsea and Man City are clearly more successful than they were even if there seems little evidence that this success is due to anything else but the vast amounts of money they now have compared to before. Spurs, while not winning a great deal in terms of trophies are probably in a better place, but, for now they have, at best, plateaued out (I'd say they've gone backwards myself) and the Mourinho appointment and inevitable sacking not so long afterwards hardly shows the decision makers in that club in a good light.
As for the other three, Liverpool's ownership is an improvement on the last lot, but that's not to say the current people in charge have been over burdened with trophies given how long they've been there, while at both Man United and Arsenal there can be little doubt that those clubs have regressed.
My point is, if I were a fan of any of those clubs, I wouldn't have full confidence in the judgement of the people running my team - in fact, them saying the plan was good for the club and for football would set alarm bells ringing for me because these people have not exactly been running things brilliantly so far have they.
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The Lone Gunman
Any scenario in which FIFA, UEFA and the Premier League are seen as the good guys definitely has no good option.
Exactly! PL playing the victim when they've just been building up to this for years takes the biscuit!
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Pedro de la Rosa
Exactly! PL playing the victim when they've just been building up to this for years takes the biscuit!
They aren't the good guys, they're the "Less Bad Guys"
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Football has been going down the piss hole since the Premier League formed
The top level of the game is full of rats
I hope the ship sinks and the rats drown
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Has it actually been referred to by the "founders" as the European Super League or just the Super League? I can see clubs like New York City and Al Sadd eventually joining if its the latter
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Rashford's going to come out, tell Woodward to get f**ked and sign for PSG, you mark my words
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delmbox
Rashford's going to come out, tell Woodward to get f**ked and sign for FC United of Manchester, you mark my words
FYP :thumbup:
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FYP :thumbup:
Even better!
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Pedro de la Rosa
Exactly! PL playing the victim when they've just been building up to this for years takes the biscuit!
Do you want to side with the guys chasing Qatar money where homosexuality is illegal and poor worker's rights have seen several thousand die to build the next world cup?
Or the energy drink corporation buying up multiple teams around the world and running traditions of pre-existing clubs into the ground?
Or the league where their primary complaint is that someone else did this instead of them?
Hard capitalism is ruining football (not just football - this is representation of what happens in multiple industries) no matter where you look. All a bit depressing really.
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Convenient that all this is happening when there aren’t any fans in the stadiums. Would have been interesting to say the least had the grounds been full this weekend, particularly how the fans of the 6 would have reacted.
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City123
Has it actually been referred to by the "founders" as the European Super League or just the Super League? I can see clubs like New York City and Al Sadd eventually joining if its the latter
The Super League. They'll end up playing games all over the world.
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City123
But you aren't removing the pyramid or the opportunity to progress up it, you're removing 6 clubs who have been sucking more and more of the money out of the game and away from the smaller clubs
This was always going to happen, its been proposed plenty over the past couple of years. It may not happen this time around, but it will at some point. These clubs are not what gives the pyramid its prestige or status, it is the pyramid that provides that for the clubs
Will there be less money? Of course there will, but do you think Everton fans will stop watching Everton and Sunderland fans will stop watching Sunderland because of this? No. They and the thousands of other fans will still watch their clubs regardless. I do think it will provide an opportunity to restructure the game, a restructuring that is needed
Spot on, yes it will be less money , yes fans will support it , perhaps a structure will appear that allows the fans to be part of each club instead of the endless search of greatest via debt ,perhaps terrestrial television will be allowed a bigger platform with it t broadings up the game to those who cant afford the hefty TV subscriptions ,what's not to like .
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Pedro de la Rosa
The Super League. They'll end up playing games all over the world.
That's that then, MLS teams will be in the frame soon enough, send some games to Qatar to get PSG on board and its all sorted. Dortmund have come out and rejected the idea but how long will that last?
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I find the 'rejections ' by bayern and dortmund quite interesting. This is obviously something that's been cooked up in secret. The German teams are 51% fan owned, so would presumably need to put any decision to a vote or at least subject it to fan scrutiny.
So rather than an outright rejection, I'm guessing it was the case that the German teams couldn't agree while keeping it secret from their fans and shareholders.
If this does end up being put to the fans as a proposition, I'd be very interested to see which way they vote. My heart tells me that the Dortmund fans especially will vote to tell them to f off
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So the gravy-train that is the European Greed League is with us. The clubs have sold their souls for a mess of pottage. Throw the kitchen sink at them.
StT.
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Don't you think that this is just a power play , with bigger clubs wanting changes to force the current structure to better fit these bigger clubs needs , and perhaps the inclusion of more and more clubs is maybe a step too far , and a shrinking of the format from its current format is now required rather than any more expansion ??
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How does this work with Barcelona? Aren't they fan owned?
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delmbox
How does this work with Barcelona? Aren't they fan owned?
I wonder if the idea seems less unpalatable in leagues where the champions League qualifiers are less variable.
real Madrid, Atletico and Barcelona are practically guaranteed a champions League position anyway, all this change will mean for them is they won't have to play any European minnows in the group stages.
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life on mars
Don't you think that this is just a power play , with bigger clubs wanting changes to force the current structure to better fit these bigger clubs needs , and perhaps the inclusion of more and more clubs is maybe a step too far , and a shrinking of the format from its current format is now required rather than any more expansion ??
They just want more money.
Thats it.
Greed.
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Rjk
I wonder if the idea seems less unpalatable in leagues where the champions League qualifiers are less variable.
real Madrid, Atletico and Barcelona are practically guaranteed a champions League position anyway, all this change will mean for them is they won't have to play any European minnows in the group stages.
It is deeply unpopular in Spain. Spanish football is rigged towards Real and Barca anyway (especially re TV deals), and they have been horrendously run for decades. All this Super League will do is give clubs free rein to run how they like as they'll never be in a position to lose money.