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It’s not what it seems in this case. Lisvane blue is a fair minded and generous friend of mine. Because of this, I was a bit surprised that he said what he did for what seemed to be no other reason than Priti Patel belonged to a particular party. I’m fairly sure I wouldn’t defend a Labour politician in the same way if they had a history like she has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I didn't defend her. As I said Im not that fond of her. I just pointed to Dorcus that she had a very normal upbringing and is not one of the privileged few. So his conclusion on what a horrible racist women he thinks she us is probably tainted because she also happens to be a Tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Stones and glass houses come to mind.
https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU
This idiot is our home secretary 🙄
As far as I am concerned she's a complete idiot , a career politician and a very dangerous woman
Keep voting tory and these little snakes will find their nest with the other vipers
She used the term gesture politics not to debate a very important topic but to appeal to the idiots who voted her in
Its more than possible for people from ethnic minorities to be racist towards others and it wouldn't surprise me if she was
Dreadful devious back stabbing woman
I think she's a horrible little racistQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
As bad as Jeremy Corbyn??Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Or perhaps your judgement is clouded as shes a Tory?Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
do you actually believe Corbyn is racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Many Jews seem to think so, and his reluctance to condemn anti-semitism would indicate that he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Standard defence but but but Jeremy Corbyn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
what do you think about her turning up to a raid on illegal immigrants home with police wearing a "home secretary" jacket, using people's misfortune as a photo opportunity? beaming with delight as someone is dragged away. is that behaviour becoming of one of the great offices of state? I can't imagine any of the previous incumbents doing that sort of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I was just stating facts...an ordinary upbringing in an ordinary family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
many other Jews don't think so too. and he's said "antisemitism is vile and wrong" that seems fairly straightforward to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Jeremy is the salt of the Earth: there's not an ounce of racism in his body.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I don't know: is it relevant? They certainly were afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
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Originally Posted by Rjk
with about as much conviction as me saying that I love Swansea FC.
It left a big stain on the Labour Party's credibility
I think your judgement is clouded as hes Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
You've just said it yourself: her family ran a Newspaper business! Very privaleged in my book! It's not as though she was born into a family of shop workers. Compare that to the millions of Asian people living in squalor who are not fortunate to live and work in Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I never said she was a racist. I portrayed her as a self serving turncoat.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Yes she was born into a family of shop workers....they ran a newsagents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
And the last time the party was in Government so was I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Ha ha that's a good one Lisvane, I like you better when you joke. My great aunt lived in a country mansion; she was a scullery maid!Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
And the last time (New) Labour were in government they were Red Tories and sold their soul.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
New Labour are extreme left wing compared to this lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Mussolini and Franco were extreme left wing compared to this evil lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Hate speech is a crime in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Erik Bloodaxe has entered the chatQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
So who do we believe? The Jews who say corbyn is racist, or the Jews who say he isn't? Should we dismiss the views of those who feel he is racist because someone somewhere counters their position?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
In this very thread we've had some say Patel is racist, and some say she isn't.
Weird how opinions differ.
do you think Corbyn is racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feedback
I'm not convinced Patel is on a personal level, but I think she's a despicable person, who is happy to pander to racists if she thinks it suits her
He's no fan of the zionist activities of Israel thats for sure .......she isQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
if he was racist he would dislike Jews and arabsQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
As they are the same race in the middle east
Or at least were until the west created Israel and ethnically cleansed the Palestinians from their own land
I don't think objecting to that is the action of a racist
I don't like corbyn but I don't think he's a racist
I think she is though , saying openly it was OK to boo the knee .....thats clearly taking sides with the goon squad
people can say what they want but there are consequences depending on what they sayQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I don't agree with mass immigration .......no problem , nothing to see here , move along
You black bastard ! ........racially motivated public order offence
I have no idea about Corbyn as I don't know the man, although I do know he is a ditherer who quite often skirts the issue instead of making direct statements. Its pretty obvious to all, other than those blinded by dogma, that Corbyn does himself no favours regarding this particular matter with his dithering. I'm also not going to let my judgement be clouded by what the press write about him as the press is always for and against and very rarely impartial. The same is with Priti Patel, none of us know her but some are more than happy to swallow whatever the press tell them without any kind of question as it suits a narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
what I am saying is that if it is written in the press its probably best ignored, unless you are so dogmatic you'll believe what is written because that is what you want to hear.
Both Patel and Crobyn are *****, imho. Why? because they are both politicians and the only thing they need is a guillotine.
If that's the case, then her behaviour is even worse than if she did come from a wealthy background.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
He's against the Israeli Fascist regime, the state of Apartheid. Many jews are as well. Corbyn has done plenty to show that he isn't anti semitic, just do some basic research. Fact is that the right wing media and the establishment, as well as right wingers in his own party, used it as a tool to attack him with.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Nah, it's because he's left wing. LB can probably get along with the likes if starmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts