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Supporters club have their say
"Cardiff City Supporters club (CCSC) are aware of the recent issues highlighted on social media by the Cardiff City Supporters Trust and of the football clubs response. CCSC are unaware of the details surrounding these issues and therefore are unable to make any direct comment.
However as an organisation, CCSC has always had a healthy working relationship with the football club which has been cemented over the years by regular meetings with board members and senior staff at the club. These meetings have always facilitated honest, frank and respectful exchanges of views from both parties. The football club has provided us with regular opportunities to convey the views and concerns of both our members and fans in general, and we believe that they have where possible, taken these views into account.
As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
Surely the question re what the trust has done is the wrong question. The question should be what could be the trust be?
Maybe the club aren't so worried about what the trust has done but at what it could be and what it could expose? :sherlock:
Or who the trust are in bed with
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Yeah but apart from all that what have they done ?
Wrote a letter
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Am I right in thinking the Trust has been given access to a room under the Ninian stand for several seasons?
Never many folk there, as I recall - but presumably the Club has continued to provide this facility (however small).
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
It’s true though.
It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.
Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.
Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?
You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
Supporters club have their say
"As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"
Can anyone recall CCSC ever making any public criticism of the football club or any of the club’s owners or officials?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.
Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.
Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?
You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.
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Originally Posted by
Captain_Sensible
Trust's letter seemed entirely reasonable to me and in no way "self-serving". Pathetic response from the club.
I don't think it's pathetic at all. The "Trust" just got ****ing schooled.
It's quite strange to see the club address something so swiftly and with such aplomb.
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I don't think it's pathetic at all. The "Trust" just got ****ing schooled.
It's quite strange to see the club address something so swiftly and with such aplomb.
Totally agree with you. I read the verbose, self righteous ‘trust’ thing and squirmed. I was more surprised the club even deigned it with a response.
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
Supporters club have their say
"Cardiff City Supporters club (CCSC) are aware of the recent issues highlighted on social media by the Cardiff City Supporters Trust and of the football clubs response. CCSC are unaware of the details surrounding these issues and therefore are unable to make any direct comment.
However as an organisation, CCSC has always had a healthy working relationship with the football club which has been cemented over the years by regular meetings with board members and senior staff at the club. These meetings have always facilitated honest, frank and respectful exchanges of views from both parties. The football club has provided us with regular opportunities to convey the views and concerns of both our members and fans in general, and we believe that they have where possible, taken these views into account.
As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"
Ronnie Corbett springs to mind here.........”I know my place”
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.
Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.
Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?
You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.
:thumbup: Supporting a football (other sports too) club is definitely a unique situation.
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
Supporters club have their say
"Cardiff City Supporters club (CCSC) are aware of the recent issues highlighted on social media by the Cardiff City Supporters Trust and of the football clubs response. CCSC are unaware of the details surrounding these issues and therefore are unable to make any direct comment.
However as an organisation, CCSC has always had a healthy working relationship with the football club which has been cemented over the years by regular meetings with board members and senior staff at the club. These meetings have always facilitated honest, frank and respectful exchanges of views from both parties. The football club has provided us with regular opportunities to convey the views and concerns of both our members and fans in general, and we believe that they have where possible, taken these views into account.
As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"
Hey supporters club ......write a press release praising us and slagging off the trust with a backhander
Supporters club .......OK great ones , does it need to be typed or handwritten ?
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Yep of course ccsc are unaware of the issues
🤣
This club is a fecking joke
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
Supporters club have their say
"Cardiff City Supporters club (CCSC) are aware of the recent issues highlighted on social media by the Cardiff City Supporters Trust and of the football clubs response. CCSC are unaware of the details surrounding these issues and therefore are unable to make any direct comment.
However as an organisation, CCSC has always had a healthy working relationship with the football club which has been cemented over the years by regular meetings with board members and senior staff at the club. These meetings have always facilitated honest, frank and respectful exchanges of views from both parties. The football club has provided us with regular opportunities to convey the views and concerns of both our members and fans in general, and we believe that they have where possible, taken these views into account.
As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"
Dear supporters club chaps
Please sign this letter as if you wrote it
Thanks
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'...unable to make any direct comment...however...' 😄
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
'...unable to make any direct comment...however...' 😄
🤣
What a bunch of idiots
Not a lot going on upstairs there
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
Am I right in thinking the Trust has been given access to a room under the Ninian stand for several seasons?
Never many folk there, as I recall - but presumably the Club has continued to provide this facility (however small).
Cubicle in the Gents toilet?
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I don't think it's pathetic at all. The "Trust" just got ****ing schooled.
It's quite strange to see the club address something so swiftly and with such aplomb.
Aplomb? At best it came a across as a completely triggered "I'm taking my ball home" knee-jerk response to criticism.
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Why is it called a Trust when it isn't?
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Trust Responds To Club Statement
admin May 10, 2022
Keith Morgan, Trust Chair
Fans may be aware that Cardiff City FC yesterday issued a statement in the wake of our letter sent to Vincent Tan. The link to the club statement is https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...se-open-letter
In view of the comments made by the club we have drafted the below statement.
Keith Morgan, chair of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, responding to the statement from Cardiff City said “We are very disappointed at the response from the club. We will not flinch from asking sometimes difficult but pertinent questions about the club we love and support.
“To suggest we are a group of self-serving individuals is not only insulting but patently wrong. Many of our board members have been fans of the club for more 50 years and we will continue to support our club long after the current directors have departed.
“Of course, we back supporter representation on the club’s board with a representative democratically elected. That is something recommended by the UK Government’s Fans’-led Review which will be implemented over the next few years. It was made perfectly clear in the review that clubs should no longer pay lip service to its supporters.
“The Trust is proud to have organised the fundraising for the iconic Fred Keenor Statue, surely an example of our love for the club, along with raising thousands of pounds for charity and in recent times organised two foodbank collections, with support from club staff, to help those in food poverty.
“We are always open for dialogue – something we have been crying out for – and we hope the powers that be will engage as we’ve been trying to do so for many months.
This has to be about the future of the club and its relationship with the people that matter most, the fans of this great club.
“The Trust was asked by the club – which we were happy to do –to handle the money donated from the Ukraine collections at the Cardiff City Stadium. The Trust has been liaising with local representatives of Ukrainian charities to target the funds collected at specific initiatives. It begs the question why the club then doesn’t consider us to be a ‘proper’ fans’ group?
“We can also confirm that we have continued to be recognised as a group by Football Supporters’ Association ever since we ceased to be a formal Mutual Society and that we are in the final stages of registration with the Financial Conduct Authority as a formal Community Society. The comment of not meeting the “minimum standards” of FSA membership is therefore just simply untrue.”
http://www.ccfctrust.org/
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Why is it called a Trust when it isn't?
What leads you to believe that it isn’t?
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
Trust Responds To Club Statement
admin May 10, 2022
Keith Morgan, Trust Chair
Fans may be aware that Cardiff City FC yesterday issued a statement in the wake of our letter sent to Vincent Tan. The link to the club statement is
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...se-open-letter
In view of the comments made by the club we have drafted the below statement.
Keith Morgan, chair of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, responding to the statement from Cardiff City said “We are very disappointed at the response from the club. We will not flinch from asking sometimes difficult but pertinent questions about the club we love and support.
“To suggest we are a group of self-serving individuals is not only insulting but patently wrong. Many of our board members have been fans of the club for more 50 years and we will continue to support our club long after the current directors have departed.
“Of course, we back supporter representation on the club’s board with a representative democratically elected. That is something recommended by the UK Government’s Fans’-led Review which will be implemented over the next few years. It was made perfectly clear in the review that clubs should no longer pay lip service to its supporters.
“The Trust is proud to have organised the fundraising for the iconic Fred Keenor Statue, surely an example of our love for the club, along with raising thousands of pounds for charity and in recent times organised two foodbank collections, with support from club staff, to help those in food poverty.
“We are always open for dialogue – something we have been crying out for – and we hope the powers that be will engage as we’ve been trying to do so for many months.
This has to be about the future of the club and its relationship with the people that matter most, the fans of this great club.
“The Trust was asked by the club – which we were happy to do –to handle the money donated from the Ukraine collections at the Cardiff City Stadium. The Trust has been liaising with local representatives of Ukrainian charities to target the funds collected at specific initiatives. It begs the question why the club then doesn’t consider us to be a ‘proper’ fans’ group?
“We can also confirm that we have continued to be recognised as a group by Football Supporters’ Association ever since we ceased to be a formal Mutual Society and that we are in the final stages of registration with the Financial Conduct Authority as a formal Community Society. The comment of not meeting the “minimum standards” of FSA membership is therefore just simply untrue.”
http://www.ccfctrust.org/
Well done, good, swift response:thumbup:
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I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Why is it called a Trust when it isn't?
Think the question is why isn’t the trust a trust and what steps does it need to take to become one
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?
The club don’t like being asked questions. There’s a reason we came about 87th in the league for fan involvement etc.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.
Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.
Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?
You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
The club don’t like being asked questions. There’s a reason we came about 87th in the league for fan involvement etc.
Correct and this club response is proof positive if ever we needed it. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?
I think it goes back to a meeting a few months ago when a disagreement happened and since then communications dried up.
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Originally Posted by
UNDERHILL1927
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Best post so far 👍
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Originally Posted by
UNDERHILL1927
👏👏👏👏👏👏
People don't support the cinema like people don't support the football stadium they watch the films and the team on the pitch.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What leads you to believe that it isn’t?
I presume you have read the letter from CCFC which seemed believable to me at least. In case you haven't read the letter the following extract may help:
"The organisation known as Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust was de-registered as a mutual organisation/Trust from the Financial Conduct Authority in 2016 and does not meet the Football Supporters Associations (FSA’s) basic minimum requirements."
Of course there is always the possibility the club is incorrect.
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
I presume you have read the letter from CCFC…..
I read the statement from CCFC. It was bollocks.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I read the statement from CCFC. It was bollocks.
So, in your view the Trust is a Trust. Fair enough but I'm not entirely sure that the "Trusts" response precisely contradicts the club's view as it states they are recognised as a group by the Football Supporters Association since it ceased to be a formal Mutual Society (whatever that means) and they are in the final stages of registration as a formal Community Society. No where does the "Trust" seem to actually deny that they are not a Trust but there is ambiguity because of the language used. In essence the club's original response (statement) is not "bollocks" in my view but is only "bollocks" in respect of the disrespect it shows to a group of fans.
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This club is full of shit
No wonder many walked away after the red episode
This sort of bullying bullshit from the clowns running our football club make me wonder how many other of our most hard-core fans will thrown in the towel
It's an amateurish way for a professional organisation to behave
And the supporters club ? ........stooges
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
So, in your view the Trust is a Trust. Fair enough but I'm not entirely sure that the "Trusts" response precisely contradicts the club's view as it states they are recognised as a group by the Football Supporters Association since it ceased to be a formal Mutual Society (whatever that means) and they are in the final stages of registration as a formal Community Society. No where does the "Trust" seem to actually deny that they are not a Trust but there is ambiguity because of the language used. In essence the club's original response (statement) is not "bollocks" in my view but is only "bollocks" in respect of the disrespect it shows to a group of fans.
Fair enough. In my view it’s just bollocks.
The club is now apparently refusing to recognise the Trust as an ‘official entity’ because of a deregistration that allegedly occurred in 2016. However, the club has had numerous dealings with the Trust since 2016. Also, I presume CCSC hold no such registration with the Financial Conduct Authority, and yet the club is content to recognise them as an official entity.
I wonder why that is?
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I have a generally favourable view of the trust, and I've got no doubt that a lot of the criticism of the club is entirely warranted.
However, writing an open letter to someone's boss complaining about a lack of response is probably not the best way of cultivating an ongoing relationship.
if someone did that to my boss I would understandably be pissed off.
I guess that it probably came out of frustration at a lack of engagement, but there are probably better ways of going about things.
I'm not really a fan of open letters in general tbh, they always come across as a bit self-important.
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Re: Trust..CCFC big row brewing
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.
Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.
Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?
You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.
That’s all very romantic, but you and i are still only customers at Cardiff City football club.
By the way, Cineworld are above the Odeon on goal difference 👍
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Fair enough. In my view it’s just bollocks.
The club is now apparently refusing to recognise the Trust as an ‘official entity’ because of a deregistration that allegedly occurred in 2016. However, the club has had numerous dealings with the Trust since 2016. Also, I presume CCSC hold no such registration with the Financial Conduct Authority, and yet the club is content to recognise them as an official entity.
I wonder why that is?
I think this exchange is over. You asked me "what leads you to believe that it isn’t" a Trust? I have hopefully answered your question.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I have a generally favourable view of the trust, and I've got no doubt that a lot of the criticism of the club is entirely warranted.
However, writing an open letter to someone's boss complaining about a lack of response is probably not the best way of cultivating an ongoing relationship.
if someone did that to my boss I would understandably be pissed off.
I guess that it probably came out of frustration at a lack of engagement, but there are probably better ways of going about things.
I'm not really a fan of open letters in general tbh, they always come across as a bit self-important.
So if you work in a bank and someone writes to you complaining about the boss you would be pissed off ?
Wouldn't you just send the letter to the boss to deal with it ?
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
So if you work in a bank and someone writes to you complaining about the boss you would be pissed off ?
Wouldn't you just send the letter to the boss to deal with it ?
no, I think you've misunderstood here.
if someone wrote to my boss complaining about me then I'd be pissed off.