Trump did not win the popular vote in either election. You need to look up gerrymandering, the GQP take it to new previously uncharted levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
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Trump did not win the popular vote in either election. You need to look up gerrymandering, the GQP take it to new previously uncharted levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
you think Texas is bigger than California or New York? If Texas seceded, then the US political landscape would change overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
This has been a long time in the making and will take a long time to undo - How the Christian right took over the judiciary and changed America | Abortion | The Guardian
The Christian right sound no better than the Taliban.
Y'allquaedaQuote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
Misguided would have been kinderQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
what a strange thing to say :frown: if we changed christian to another religion or maybe a race, you would be in melt down at the offence that might cause , yet you feel its ok to say it about christians, who must have many millions amongst them who do decent things every day, for example, many church groups run " food drops for the homeless " set up a few tables in a multi-storey car park and dish out warm soup and a bread roll, warm clothes etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I just listen to these Christians and am staggered
There's a faith show on BBC called Sunday Morning Live
There was a woman from Ukraine on there a few moments ago who was asked does what's happening in her country make her question God ? She replied......I never question God
And a mother whose young son was found collapsed at home and remains in a coma was thanking God for his help and guidance ?
I am afraid that whilst I can understand their faith may give them comfort they are clearly deluded .
And the pro life types in America are a classic example of the danger of promoting faith over science .
Christians do not have a monopoly on doing good work , in fact a lot of these good acts are done to get a place in paradise , are they notQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
As I said misguided and deluded would have been kinder but Christian, Muslim , Catholic , it's all crazy
thats the point, if it gives them comfort and happiness, doesn't hurt / harm anyone else, then surely its all good, a house down my lane are often in the local towns car park in the winter with a camping stove warming soup and giving the homeless a cuppa coffee / tea / hot chocolate, they wouldn't harm a fly, they know 100% they are going upstairs when they pass, it makes them happyQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
of course they do not, I never said they did, but if a Christian does good work in the name of faith, then surely thats a good thing ? ? ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well clearly religion is doing a whole lot of harm .......and not giving comfort but spreading hate ......in the American abortion debateQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
And all over the world in examples such as the persecution of homosexuals in Africa and The Middle East
If one goes they all go.Quote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
You said many of them did good thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I would argue people of no faith do plenty of good things which are completely altruistic
People do good things because they are good people ......not because they are religious or called to by God
I don't think all Christians, as is the same for all religions, should be tarred with the same brush. There's good and bad in all walks of life. Just as religious people don't have a monopoly on being able to do good.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
so we judge everyone on the actions of a minority , fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
so people who do good because of the faith they have would ultimately done the same good deed without faith, we of course can not prove that, they could well have done the same good deed, but if faith pushes / persuades them to do good / better themselves then surely you can see no harm in thatQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As I said , misguided would have been kinderQuote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
The question here is if religion wasn't such a force in right wing America......would yesterdays shocking decision have happened ?
Obviously not
It's certainly not a force for good in so many respects
I believe some people who are religious do good things because of their faith and their hoped for destination wherever that may be not because they want to do good things.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I bet the majority of Christians support the abolition of abortion in AmericaQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
And lots here too
It's certainly not a minority
Do you think it's just a few nutters ?
Did Jesus spread hate? I suggest the hate spreaders who claim to be Christians don’t understand Christianity any more than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well we can remove religion then and just all be goodQuote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
I have no idea wether he spread hate or not . All we have is written by people hundreds of years after his apparent death .that's if he existed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
It absolutely wouldn't have happened had some Christians not been able to galvanise a movement and effectively take over one of the two political parties in the US (and the courts).Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
People who use religion for their own gains causes so many problems (wars, persecution, division, etc). Greed is the other main cause.
Ok then. Do you think Robin Hood was a good man?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
What about Atilla the Hun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
The thing is , these people in many cases believe that their anti abortion stance is taught them by God .Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
I think the point I am trying to make here is the existence and influence of religion is the problem in American society , maybe not the stupidity of the American courts
Just get rid of all of it
After you’ve answered the other questions above, just pretend for a moment that what you have read about Jesus was about a real person, was he good or bad in your view? Or is your view so ignorant that you regularly pronounce on something you have absolutely no knowledge of?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Was he one of the disciples ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
What knowledge do you have of someone who ....apparently .....lived 2000 years ago .....that I don't have ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
How can I be ignorant of for example his miracles .....when there is no evidence they took place and there is no evidence of God carrying out his work to this day ? How can I be ignorant ? It's no good coming up with assertions that need to be based on fact ....when you have none .
I rest my case and give up. Good night.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Another ChristianQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Ah well
Enjoy your Sunday
What about Bale, now he’s let us all down. Is he a good man? 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
He is SatanQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I agree with you about dignity in dying by the way
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
This survey of public opinion on abortions by state may be useful in working out which states will outlaw it now. (It is 8 years old mind)
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...tion/by/state/
Or you could use this and see who gets the closest!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ates_governors
There's not much evidence to back up the existence of Robin Hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
One things for sure. If there was a Robin Hood, then he definitely wasn’t a Tory. They steel from the poor and give it to the rich !Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Ive seen a Fryer tuck, just outside of Padstow ( St merryn I think ), so how do you explain that ? ? ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
It probably had a very small toilet (6,4). You may be onto something here!Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt