George Carlin religion

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Humanism assumes people are instrinsically good and will choose positive paths for their lives. A mistake.
Also, if humanism doesn't concern itself with a creator why bother setting it against religion, there's there's no competition.

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Humanism assumes you can choose to live a good and meaningful life without having to insert the supernatural, out of fear, conceit, or for a longer life, an afterlife or some other reward.

I don’t like the term atheism for that very reason. I referred to Humanism.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Thanks for the question about my mental health and for moving the debate to what my lay-preacher friend refers to as the 'pick and mix' fraternity. He is a fundamentalist and and once one concedes that part of a religion is allegory it's a very rocky path. He has left several congregations because they draw the line at allegory in different places and modern-day Archbishops and Popes pick and mix in different places similarly. If part of a religion is conceded as allegory, who is to say what isn't allegory and myth?
However, it's clear that you aren't someone who can debate things in a civilised manner and that you engage in unneccesary ad hominem remarks (such as referring to my mental state) so I won't bother engaging with you. May your God bless you.

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What's wrong with pick n mix? As we become more knowledgeable we can decide which is allegorical and which isn't. This doesn't detract from religion.
Autism is a neurological condition and not a question of good/bad mental health. I think i'm being civilised with you but I do think you are on the autistic spectrum which explains certain things. That's not a criticism even though you have taken it as one. I believe that i am on the autistic spectrum and can see certain familiar traits in others.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Humanism assumes you can choose to live a good and meaningful life without having to insert the supernatural, out of fear, conceit, or for a longer life, an afterlife or some other reward.

I don’t like the term atheism for that very reason. I referred to Humanism.

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But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

[QUOTE=Lither_1927;5317246]A recent study finds that people who regularly attend religious services live approximately four years longer than average. Researchers built the study from previous data suggesting that social interaction, volunteer work, and healthy habits can lead to a longer life

A recent survey ......showed that if a load of Christians prayed en masse for someone in hospital it made absolutely no difference at all

People all over the world take part in socialising , healthy habits etc without the need to go to a church

You daft sod

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

So who created god? <snip>

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Yes, but that's the go. God, by any name, is.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

So you believe that God created the earth for humankind but you're not happy about sharing the bit you happened to be born in with people of a different colour to you? What do you think God's take on that attitude would be then?

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I was wondering about that 🤔

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

A recent study finds that people who regularly attend religious services live approximately four years longer than average. Researchers built the study from previous data suggesting that social interaction, volunteer work, and healthy habits can lead to a longer life

A recent survey ......showed that if a load of Christians prayed en masse for someone in hospital it made absolutely no difference at all

People all over the world take part in socialising , healthy habits etc without the need to go to a church

You daft sod

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You ****ed up the quote mechanism, i hate that.

I think it's important that the actual subject of prayer must also pray.

Anyway link me to your source of information SLUDGE

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You ****ed up the quote mechanism, i hate that.

I think it's important that the actual subject of prayer must also pray.

Anyway link me to your source of information SLUDGE

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Didn't Hitler believe in God ?

The sources of information you have given are American .....they are all fecking religious idiots so you can forget that , you may as well send a survey around a church

Nobel prize winners .....bright people ?

Do you think they are all in church every Sunday?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

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That could also be said about Quantum Physics and could, mathematically, just be a series of meaningless, random, quantum events. That doesn't mean we don't feel, laugh, cry, hurt etc. but there may be no meaning whatsoever. I often wonder if the dinosaurs contemplated the same things in their much lengthier (sorry for the grammar) time on earth. I think humans are a tad precious. We're extremely likely to become extinct. I don't think any conscious entity is going to prevent that.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

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No it's not, whether you like it or not.

Humanism doesn't have to compete with organised (and man-made) religions. Why should it?

It doesn't have to compete with faith (to acknowledge Truthpaste's distinctions, and hatred of religion) or go toe-to-toe with the certainties of cult members.

Human beings can give their own meaning to their lives, create their own values and purposes, and face death without terror. We no longer live in the fear and ignorance of past centuries. We should have grown up!

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

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I think Humanists would simply believe our existence is mind blowing and defies our current understanding. However there’s no need to insert comforting but implausible answers because of that.

I think Humanists would also believe people have the capacity to be both good and bad. But a better life is built on positive attributes such as learning, reason, compassion, integrity, kindness etc.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I was wondering about that ��

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I should warn you, he does not take kindly to the question

What I have learnt from this thread is that there’s a particular person with multiple accounts.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Oh **** off you sniping midwit. You offer literally nothing. I'd hate to be you.

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That's not very Christian of you.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I should warn you, he does not take kindly to the question

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Ignores it completely in fact, typical religious person response.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No it's not, whether you like it or not.

Humanism doesn't have to compete with organised (and man-made) religions. Why should it?

It doesn't have to compete with faith (to acknowledge Truthpaste's distinctions, and hatred of religion) or go toe-to-toe with the certainties of cult members.

Human beings can give their own meaning to their lives, create their own values and purposes, and face death without terror. We no longer live in the fear and ignorance of past centuries. We should have grown up!

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Humanism does have to compete with religion, we need the truth Jon.

The super natural is there. Whatever the truth of our existence is. It's super natural and beyond your capabilities clearly.

Dismissing religion as "man made" is about as fatuous as it gets. Who do you think made man?

No atheist can face death without terror, you are deluding yourself. Death for an atheist is a terrible prospect, it hangs over their subconcious for life.

You don't half talk bollocks with a condescending air Jon. Just like you claiming ancient Brits were dark skinned. There is no evidence for this, which is why cheddar man was debunked as left wing rubbish, yet you still insist on it being true.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

The super natural is there. Whatever the truth of our existence is. It's super natural and beyond your capabilities clearly.

Dismissing religion as "man made" is about as fatuous as it gets. Who do you think made man?

No atheist can face death without terror, you are deluding yourself. Death for an atheist is a terrible prospect, it hangs over their subconcious for life.

You don't half talk bollocks with a condescending air Jon. Just like you claiming ancient Brits were dark skinned. There is no evidence for this, which is why cheddar man was debunked as left wing rubbish, yet you still insist on it being true.

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An atheist doesn’t die terrorised about the afterlife though? They’re terrorised that it’s the end

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

That could also be said about Quantum Physics and could, mathematically, just be a series of meaningless, random, quantum events. That doesn't mean we don't feel, laugh, cry, hurt etc. but there may be no meaning whatsoever. I often wonder if the dinosaurs contemplated the same things in their much lengthier (sorry for the grammar) time on earth. I think humans are a tad precious. We're extremely likely to become extinct. I don't think any conscious entity is going to prevent that.

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My guess is that you would struggle to find a group of atheist quantum physicists.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I was wondering about that 🤔

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Mass immigration and globalism represent chaos and the death of age old cultures and peoples. If the devil is chaos then God is order. I always prefer order to chaos.

How do you know what happens to an atheist when he dies? Please tell me your experiences. I'd love to know

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Originally Posted by Baloo

I think Humanists would simply believe our existence is mind blowing and defies our current understanding. However there’s no need to insert comforting but implausible answers because of that.

I think Humanists would also believe people have the capacity to be both good and bad. But a better life is built on positive attributes such as learning, reason, compassion, integrity, kindness etc.

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Do you believe our existence is "mind blowing and defies our current understanding" if so, would you accept we have a God i.e. our creator?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Didn't Hitler believe in God ?

The sources of information you have given are American .....they are all fecking religious idiots so you can forget that , you may as well send a survey around a church

Nobel prize winners .....bright people ?

Do you think they are all in church every Sunday?

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You're a very bad advert for Atheism.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Do you believe our existence is "mind blowing and defies our current understanding" if so, would you accept we have a God i.e. our creator?

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In a word no, it is all made up.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

In a word no, it is all made up.

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So, in your considered opinion how did we get here?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

How do you know what happens to an atheist when he dies? Please tell me your experiences. I'd love to know

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I know as much about it as you do

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I know as much about it as you do

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So, you're Agnostic and not an Atheist then?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

So, you're Agnostic and not an Atheist then?

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Agnostic atheist

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

Agnostic atheist

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Haha pick one fruitcake. But remember God is watching...

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

So, in your considered opinion how did we get here?

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do you know,what you believe is a load of crap.:ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

My guess is that you would struggle to find a group of atheist quantum physicists.

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Well, we'll never know until we open the box

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Do you believe our existence is "mind blowing and defies our current understanding" if so, would you accept we have a God i.e. our creator?

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I responded to this in my post.

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Originally Posted by bigjoe

Well, we'll never know until we open the box

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But is it schrodinger's box? And does the contents of the box come into being once viewed with the human eye? (As Quantum Physcists now suggest could be the case)

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Originally Posted by Baloo

I responded to this in my post.

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So, just for clarity, you accept that God or a "creator" could exist?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Haha pick one fruitcake. But remember God is watching...

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I’ll do what the **** I want thanks

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

What I have learnt from this thread is that there’s a particular person with multiple accounts.

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Don't talk in riddles, who is it?

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I’ll do what the **** I want thanks

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Oooo Ark at Rambo yer... lolz

You'll not do as you want but as God intends

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Oooo Ark at Rambo yer... lolz

You'll not do as you want but as God intends

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Fair play you do talk some shite!

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

How do you know what happens to an atheist when he dies? Please tell me your experiences. I'd love to know

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Surely if God exists he would have told you or one of his millions of fans what happens in the afterlife ?

One of your lot can tell us ?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Humanism does have to compete with religion, we need the truth Jon.

The super natural is there. Whatever the truth of our existence is. It's super natural and beyond your capabilities clearly.

Dismissing religion as "man made" is about as fatuous as it gets. Who do you think made man?

No atheist can face death without terror, you are deluding yourself. Death for an atheist is a terrible prospect, it hangs over their subconcious for life.

You don't half talk bollocks with a condescending air Jon. Just like you claiming ancient Brits were dark skinned. There is no evidence for this, which is why cheddar man was debunked as left wing rubbish, yet you still insist on it being true.

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A right wing Christian, my idea of hell

How do you know that people who don't believe in God spend all their time worrying about death ? 🤔

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Don't talk in riddles, who is it?

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A snake ?