because 99.9% of car journeys aren't towing a caravanQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
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because 99.9% of car journeys aren't towing a caravanQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
And 99.9% of car journeys do not end up in an accident...yet..to go back to the theme of this thread, our leaders in Wales have decided that 20mph is the way to go despite survey from ministry of transport showing that cutting urban speed limit to 20mph caused no significant change in casualty rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
This 20mph limit might well swell the confers at Cardiff Bay whilst the majority of drivers in Wales could end up with a criminal record and fines because they feel quite competent driving at the current UK urban limit of 30.
I'm willing to bet that the majority of drivers in Wales do not end up with a criminal record .Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
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This 20mph limit might well swell the confers at Cardiff bay
I don’t understand how the speed limit could affect the size of trees in Cardiff
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Originally Posted by Hilts
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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content...cars-from-2022
The thing is with some people today they have to be told to slow down, the same as they have to be told to pick their litter up.
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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I've heard this counter argument so many times and it's nonsense. There were 1560 road fatalities recorded in 2021. You're still going to see a huge reduction by implementing this law. Besides, as a drive you should anticipate these problems before they occur that lead to hitting the accelerator.
You know the chances of a pedestrian dying from being hit by a car reduces dramatically when going 30 compared to 40 and 20 compared to 30 and so on? That's what we gain from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
There's no tracking or privacy concerns wrt speed limiters. Do you own a mobile phone? PC? Take your concerns elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
Err, okay. So let's ditch this silly idea because it won't work for <1% of the driving population.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
There's some classic resistance to change going on here, peeps.
If you're driving a heart attack victim to hospital I'd like to know why you didn't phone an ambulance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lither_1927
what if a volcano erupts and the pyroclastic flow is traveling at 72 mph?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It gets a ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
If it was someone you held any affection for , you wouldn't want to wait for an ambulance to turn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
That's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
They are building new apartment blocks without any parking bays. The cost of fuel is going through the roof, and fossil fuels are rapidly being removed from the energy supply mix. 20mph speed limits in cities, and lower speeds on motorways. Where you see resistance to change, I see the nudge units preparing the world for a future without private car ownership.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Perhaps here’s whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.u...an-6849193.amp
Heart attacks are a priority for ambulance crews. Not only should it turn up quickly, but A&E would have more chance of being prepared for the patient. If you just turned up at A&E with someone suffering a heart attack they won't be seen as quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
That's not a heart attackQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
I just tweeted some clown who said 20 mph was a good thing because it reduced the risk of accidents - I said fair enough, let's reduce the max speed to 5 mph then :wave:
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Seek and thee will find
[QUOTE=superfeathers;5321214]It's a money treeQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
You won't save fuel as driving at 20mph you need to be in a lower gear,hence more pollution as you will be using more fuel.
Had my first experience of the 20 today. Magor to Portskewett.
I stuck to 20 in all the 20 spots which is about 75% of the five mile journey. I had three cars overtake me and one w4nker sign off a brand new 22 plate Range Rover driver :hehe:
On the return journey I had two vans overtake me but no w4nker signs :-)
My truck struggled to stay at 20 and my fuel average was 4.6mpg. I later did a 4 mile stretch of road and stuck to the 30mph limit. I averaged 7.7.
I'll be honest, I found it an absolute ball ache.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62377362
Two stretches of road could have 20mph speed limits abandoned, less than three months after they were introduced.
Why do they get to say they don't like it put it back to thirty?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
It's the same for everyone either it's 20 for everyone or 30 for everyone?
Scrap that take it back to thiry for reveryone twenty is just was to low!
it makes sense to put it back to 30 if it's on a through road, but keep 20 on side roads and housing estates.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
hopefully they'll arrive there eventually
I have my driving assessment tomorrow after having my right leg amputated. I actually use my prosthetic to drive and the biggest problem I've got is actually keeping the car at 20mph.My driving assessor thinks it's stupid as does my driving instructor who giggles and admits she can never keep to the speed limit yet muggins yer will fail if I can't keep the car to 20 as that will be seen as not keeping control of the car. Makes my blood boil.:angry:
Since the aim is to reduce accidents and cut pollution, can we expect Drakeford to petition Westminster for a smaller Barnett settlement since hospitals will be used less and we'll no be spending as much on fuel duty and VAT?
Good!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
The blanket 20mph limit is ridiculous overeach by the WG
I went through that stretch again today :furious:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
I've driven through Llandaff North and Whitchurch up to the roundabout, and frequently haven't gone above 17/18mph. Much in the same way that cautious drivers go a couple of MPH below 30 in case they exceed the limit, they now are going a couple of MPH below the 20 limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by valleys caveman
Might be an idea for you to read the policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think 20mph is too high..most of you are rage raod drivers and can't even navigate a roundabout..I would lower it to 15mph and see how you get on.
TWO areas in Monmouthshire which had been part of the Welsh Government’s 20mph trial will revert back to 30mph, the council has confirmed.
Last month, the Senedd voted to bring in a new law that will cut speed limits from 30mph to 20mph on most residential roads across Wales from next September.
The government claims the lower speeds will improve road safety, but some Caldicot residents questioned these claims and called for the changes to be scrapped.
Monmouthshire County Council has confirmed proposals to change two areas on the B4245 – known as the Caldicot Bypass – back to a 30mph limit after “concerns have been received regarding the speed limit.”
The council set out plans for the B4245 to revert to 30mph at Caldicot from Woodstock Way to the Mitel roundabout – although a part-time 20mph limit would be in place during school start and finish times.
And the 20mph limit will also be removed from the Mitel roundabout to Portskewett, reverting to 30mph until just before the bridge over the old railway line.
Elsewhere on the B4245, the 20mph limit will remain in place in Magor and Undy, in Rogiet, and in Caldicot – between Longfellow Road and Woodstock Way.
The council has proposed the speed limit on the B4245 between Undy and Rogiet is lowered from 60mph to 40mph.
Between Rogiet and Caldicot, it is proposed that the B4245 remains at 40mph
Isnt this the same report and same roads from a few days ago posted with a link to the story?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
God knows I am a few warped years behind mostQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
What I didn't realise was the local authorities have the powers to override the 20mph speed limit on roads where they see fit.So if they think a road is better off at thirty they can adjust accordingly without recourse to the WAG.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...limit-33502992
'I was battered for obeying 20mph speed limit' Pensioner speaks out about 'terrifying' road rage incident
A grandfather was punched in the face simply for adhering to the 20mph speed limit. Dashcam footage captured the moment Christopher Shaw, 40, jumped from his van to strike Christopher Lavis, then 68, leaving him with a fractured right cheekbone and eye socket as well as a broken nose and concussion.
The unprovoked assault in Brynmenyn, Bridgend county, happened hours before Mr Lavis was scheduled to undergo a cardiac examination, which had to be delayed because of the attack. Mr Lavis' wife Elizabeth Lavis, 68, sat helpless in the passenger seat as the brutal assault unfolded.
Mr Lavis slammed the 12-month suspended sentence handed to Shaw last week. The pensioner has not driven since the attack due to anxiety and has been left relying on a walking stick for stability.
He said the violence appeared to be provoked by his "simple act of courtesy" in giving way to oncoming traffic and maintaining the proper speed of 20mph.
Mr Lavis, from Brynmenyn, told SWNS: "The reason he [the judge] didn't give him a jail sentence is because this bloke has his own roofing business and people rely on him for their jobs. To me, I don't give a monkey's if you're Donald Trump. If you employ people, you should have thought of that before you thumped somebody. I was very, very disappointed that it wasn't a custodial sentence."
At around 8.15am on July 30, Mr Lavis had heard a beeping horn from a van behind him, which was flashing its lights. "He pulled over into another street to allow the van to pass and then carry on his way," prosecutor Ben Jones told Newport Crown Court.
Mr Lavis later came to a stop to give way to oncoming traffic. The same van then appeared behind him and at that point Shaw exited the van, opened the driver-side door of Mr Lavis' car and attacked him.
After throwing the punch, Shaw stopped Mr Lavis from closing his car door and continued to shout at him before finally allowing him to shut it.
Mr Lavis was treated at the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff for his injuries.
He said: "I'm still suffering today... I've got balance issues that [mean] my head doesn't feel steady. I'm stumbling quite a bit, tripping over things. Before the incident I had no problems at all. I used to run the parkrun every Saturday. This has really impacted on my life."
Mrs Lavis described the incident as "deeply traumatic" and said she was "terrified" when she saw Shaw's punch had caused her husband to "immediately begin bleeding heavily".
Shaw, of Heol Glannant in Bettws, initially told police he had thrown the punch in self-defence but later pleaded guilty to ABH (actual bodily harm) assault. He had six previous offences including an assault from 25 years ago.
His solicitor Derrick Gooden described the attack as "entirely out of character" and told the court his "remorseful" client would be happy to pay compensation within 28 days.
The judge, Recorder Paul Lewis KC, said: "He has a roofing business that employs people who are dependent on him, he has a family, a niece, and he pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity. On balance, by a whisker, it seems to me that although the offence demands a sentence of imprisonment it is one the court can suspend."
Turning to Shaw, he said: "What you did that day was inexcusable and unjustified. I accept, however, you are remorseful and ashamed."
The judge imposed a one-year jail term suspended for two years, £1,500 in compensation, 50 hours of unpaid work, a £187 victim services surcharge and £150 in prosecution costs.
6 previous offences including assault and he gets a suspended jail term :shrug:
In fairness, he's a roofer. I've never known one without a serious drink problem and a sizeable charge sheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Was it you:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
He deserves to (fall) off the roof. Horrible kent