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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
You're not thinking it through.
What would be the point of cars having a speed limiter to stop them exceeding the legal speed limit of 70mph on motorways, if that same car could tow a caravan at that speed albeit 10mph above the legal limit?
because 99.9% of car journeys aren't towing a caravan
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
because 99.9% of car journeys aren't towing a caravan
And 99.9% of car journeys do not end up in an accident...yet..to go back to the theme of this thread, our leaders in Wales have decided that 20mph is the way to go despite survey from ministry of transport showing that cutting urban speed limit to 20mph caused no significant change in casualty rates.
This 20mph limit might well swell the confers at Cardiff Bay whilst the majority of drivers in Wales could end up with a criminal record and fines because they feel quite competent driving at the current UK urban limit of 30.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
And 99.9% of car journeys do not end up in an accident...yet..to go back to the theme of this thread, our leaders in Wales have decided that 20mph is the way to go despite survey from ministry of transport showing that cutting urban speed limit to 20mph caused no significant change in casualty rates.
This 20mph limit might well swell the confers at Cardiff Bay whilst the majority of drivers in Wales could end up with a criminal record and fines because they feel quite competent driving at the current UK urban limit of 30.
I'm willing to bet that the majority of drivers in Wales do not end up with a criminal record .
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
[QUOTE=lisvaneblue;5321209]
This 20mph limit might well swell the confers at Cardiff bay
I don’t understand how the speed limit could affect the size of trees in Cardiff
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Speed limiters or some sort of tech to identify youve broken the speed limit is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'm totally against spend limiters, affectionately known as the other half in my case, and she does work like a SatNav, as she is always phoning me up to see where I am.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content...cars-from-2022
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
The thing is with some people today they have to be told to slow down, the same as they have to be told to pick their litter up.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
We are into safety issues should this happen. Over the years I've had to accelerate to get out of dangerous situations, particularly on motorways, and as a result exceeded the speed limit. Lord knows what might have happened if a speed limiter had kicked in at such times.
I've heard this counter argument so many times and it's nonsense. There were 1560 road fatalities recorded in 2021. You're still going to see a huge reduction by implementing this law. Besides, as a drive you should anticipate these problems before they occur that lead to hitting the accelerator.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Like I said, I can see the benefit in cars being limited to say 80mph, but what on earth do we gain from the above?
You know the chances of a pedestrian dying from being hit by a car reduces dramatically when going 30 compared to 40 and 20 compared to 30 and so on? That's what we gain from it.
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
So the use of GPS tracking isnt an issue? Of course it is.
There's no tracking or privacy concerns wrt speed limiters. Do you own a mobile phone? PC? Take your concerns elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
~Maybe so?
But situations vary both with road conditions and vehicles. For example a car can be limited to 70mph on a motorway, but what about a car towing a caravan. The limiter is on the car set at 70, whereas the speed limit if towing is 60mph
Err, okay. So let's ditch this silly idea because it won't work for <1% of the driving population.
There's some classic resistance to change going on here, peeps.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
What if you have an emergency like driving a heart attack victim to hospital in the middle of the night?
Or you're on an empty motorway at midnight?
If you're driving a heart attack victim to hospital I'd like to know why you didn't phone an ambulance?
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If you're driving a heart attack victim to hospital I'd like to know why you didn't phone an ambulance?
what if a volcano erupts and the pyroclastic flow is traveling at 72 mph?
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
what if a volcano erupts and the pyroclastic flow is traveling at 72 mph?
It gets a ticket.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If you're driving a heart attack victim to hospital I'd like to know why you didn't phone an ambulance?
If it was someone you held any affection for , you wouldn't want to wait for an ambulance to turn up.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
If it was someone you held any affection for, you wouldn't want to wait 3 hours for an ambulance to turn up.
That's true.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
stevo
There's some classic resistance to change going on here, peeps.
They are building new apartment blocks without any parking bays. The cost of fuel is going through the roof, and fossil fuels are rapidly being removed from the energy supply mix. 20mph speed limits in cities, and lower speeds on motorways. Where you see resistance to change, I see the nudge units preparing the world for a future without private car ownership.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If you're driving a heart attack victim to hospital I'd like to know why you didn't phone an ambulance?
Perhaps here’s why
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.u...an-6849193.amp
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
If it was someone you held any affection for , you wouldn't want to wait for an ambulance to turn up.
Heart attacks are a priority for ambulance crews. Not only should it turn up quickly, but A&E would have more chance of being prepared for the patient. If you just turned up at A&E with someone suffering a heart attack they won't be seen as quickly.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
That's not a heart attack
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
I just tweeted some clown who said 20 mph was a good thing because it reduced the risk of accidents - I said fair enough, let's reduce the max speed to 5 mph then :wave:
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
That's not a heart attack
Seek and thee will find
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
[QUOTE=superfeathers;5321214]
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
This 20mph limit might well swell the confers at Cardiff bay
I don’t understand how the speed limit could affect the size of trees in Cardiff
It's a money tree
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
You won't save fuel as driving at 20mph you need to be in a lower gear,hence more pollution as you will be using more fuel.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
Had my first experience of the 20 today. Magor to Portskewett.
I stuck to 20 in all the 20 spots which is about 75% of the five mile journey. I had three cars overtake me and one w4nker sign off a brand new 22 plate Range Rover driver :hehe:
On the return journey I had two vans overtake me but no w4nker signs :-)
My truck struggled to stay at 20 and my fuel average was 4.6mpg. I later did a 4 mile stretch of road and stuck to the 30mph limit. I averaged 7.7.
I'll be honest, I found it an absolute ball ache.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62377362
Two stretches of road could have 20mph speed limits abandoned, less than three months after they were introduced.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
Why do they get to say they don't like it put it back to thirty?
It's the same for everyone either it's 20 for everyone or 30 for everyone?
Scrap that take it back to thiry for reveryone twenty is just was to low!
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Why do they get to say they don't like it put it back to thirty?
It's the same for everyone either they do it or they don't ?
it makes sense to put it back to 30 if it's on a through road, but keep 20 on side roads and housing estates.
hopefully they'll arrive there eventually
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
I have my driving assessment tomorrow after having my right leg amputated. I actually use my prosthetic to drive and the biggest problem I've got is actually keeping the car at 20mph.My driving assessor thinks it's stupid as does my driving instructor who giggles and admits she can never keep to the speed limit yet muggins yer will fail if I can't keep the car to 20 as that will be seen as not keeping control of the car. Makes my blood boil.:angry:
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
Since the aim is to reduce accidents and cut pollution, can we expect Drakeford to petition Westminster for a smaller Barnett settlement since hospitals will be used less and we'll no be spending as much on fuel duty and VAT?
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
Good!
The blanket 20mph limit is ridiculous overeach by the WG
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
I went through that stretch again today :furious:
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
valleys caveman
I went through that stretch again today :furious:
I've driven through Llandaff North and Whitchurch up to the roundabout, and frequently haven't gone above 17/18mph. Much in the same way that cautious drivers go a couple of MPH below 30 in case they exceed the limit, they now are going a couple of MPH below the 20 limit.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Good!
The blanket 20mph limit is ridiculous overeach by the WG
Might be an idea for you to read the policy.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
I think 20mph is too high..most of you are rage raod drivers and can't even navigate a roundabout..I would lower it to 15mph and see how you get on.
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
TWO areas in Monmouthshire which had been part of the Welsh Government’s 20mph trial will revert back to 30mph, the council has confirmed.
Last month, the Senedd voted to bring in a new law that will cut speed limits from 30mph to 20mph on most residential roads across Wales from next September.
The government claims the lower speeds will improve road safety, but some Caldicot residents questioned these claims and called for the changes to be scrapped.
Monmouthshire County Council has confirmed proposals to change two areas on the B4245 – known as the Caldicot Bypass – back to a 30mph limit after “concerns have been received regarding the speed limit.”
The council set out plans for the B4245 to revert to 30mph at Caldicot from Woodstock Way to the Mitel roundabout – although a part-time 20mph limit would be in place during school start and finish times.
And the 20mph limit will also be removed from the Mitel roundabout to Portskewett, reverting to 30mph until just before the bridge over the old railway line.
Elsewhere on the B4245, the 20mph limit will remain in place in Magor and Undy, in Rogiet, and in Caldicot – between Longfellow Road and Woodstock Way.
The council has proposed the speed limit on the B4245 between Undy and Rogiet is lowered from 60mph to 40mph.
Between Rogiet and Caldicot, it is proposed that the B4245 remains at 40mph
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
TWO areas in Monmouthshire which had been part of the Welsh Government’s 20mph trial will revert back to 30mph, the council has confirmed.
Last month, the Senedd voted to bring in a new law that will cut speed limits from 30mph to 20mph on most residential roads across Wales from next September.
The government claims the lower speeds will improve road safety, but some Caldicot residents questioned these claims and called for the changes to be scrapped.
Monmouthshire County Council has confirmed proposals to change two areas on the B4245 – known as the Caldicot Bypass – back to a 30mph limit after “concerns have been received regarding the speed limit.”
The council set out plans for the B4245 to revert to 30mph at Caldicot from Woodstock Way to the Mitel roundabout – although a part-time 20mph limit would be in place during school start and finish times.
And the 20mph limit will also be removed from the Mitel roundabout to Portskewett, reverting to 30mph until just before the bridge over the old railway line.
Elsewhere on the B4245, the 20mph limit will remain in place in Magor and Undy, in Rogiet, and in Caldicot – between Longfellow Road and Woodstock Way.
The council has proposed the speed limit on the B4245 between Undy and Rogiet is lowered from 60mph to 40mph.
Between Rogiet and Caldicot, it is proposed that the B4245 remains at 40mph
Isnt this the same report and same roads from a few days ago posted with a link to the story?
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Isnt this the same report and same roads from a few days ago posted with a link to the story?
God knows I am a few warped years behind most
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Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
What I didn't realise was the local authorities have the powers to override the 20mph speed limit on roads where they see fit.So if they think a road is better off at thirty they can adjust accordingly without recourse to the WAG.