Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Down with the Anti Growth Coalition! Hail the Anti Growth People's Front !

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Splitters. The Anti Growth Popular People's front will be taking real action

I'm for growing the private sector not the public sector , as one makes money and the other is propped up by that revenue ...... what is need is better public sector efficiencies , productivity and modernisation ....

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I'm for growing the private sector not the public sector , as one makes money and the other is propped up by that revenue ...... what is need is better public sector efficiencies , productivity and modernisation ....

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LOM you still haven't let me know what size t shirt to get you!

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I'm for growing the private sector not the public sector , as one makes money and the other is propped up by that revenue ...... what is need is better public sector efficiencies , productivity and modernisation ....

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The public sector can and does make money - for the public.

This false argument used to be a Feedy favourite back in the day. I remember a tortuously long thread that for a while looked at Council public works departments and the effect of privatisation (outsourcing). The same job was being done by the same people and paid from the same source - local tax, council tenant rents and an element of national government subsidy. Magically it changed from being a drain on public funds one day, to an exciting example of enterprise and profit the next (for executives and shareholders at least).

Nothing changed except a % of the funding was syphoned off and was not available to repair homes or roads.

It was presented as a case of public = bad; private = good. Maybe now that LOM has re-invented himself as the board's top economist (courtesy of mainly unacknowledged lifts from the Telegraph, FT or Economist) he could explain why this is so?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

The public sector can and does make money - for the public.

This false argument used to be a Feedy favourite back in the day. I remember a tortuously long thread that for a while looked at Council public works departments and the effect of privatisation (outsourcing). The same job was being done by the same people and paid from the same source - local tax, council tenant rents and an element of national government subsidy. Magically it changed from being a drain on public funds one day, to an exciting example of enterprise and profit the next (for executives and shareholders at least).

Nothing changed except a % of the funding was syphoned off and was not available to repair homes or roads.

It was presented as a case of public = bad; private = good. Maybe now that LOM has re-invented himself as the board's top economist (courtesy of mainly unacknowledged lifts from the Telegraph, FT or Economist) he could explain why this is so?

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I remember those threads well, interminable length with Feedback always having the last word as he bored other posters to death!

I particularly recall a certain "Archibald Leitch" who certainly gave him a run for his money.

I’m bit confused this lunchtime, is it Truss or Kwarteng who’s joined the anti growth coalition?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’m bit confused this lunchtime, is it Truss or Kwarteng who’s joined the anti growth coalition?

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Kwarteng still holding firm. Truss is about to join.

Surely even James and LOM can't explain this one away as 'they have listened'. And surely Truss doesn't escape this by scapegoating Kwasi, that is obviously her play here but I can't see how that washes. Polls over the next few weeks will be interesting.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’m bit confused this lunchtime, is it Truss or Kwarteng who’s joined the anti growth coalition?

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Do you know their sizes? I'll order t shirts for them.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Kwarteng still holding firm. Truss is about to join.

Surely even James and LOM can't explain this one away as 'they have listened'. And surely Truss doesn't escape this by scapegoating Kwasi, that is obviously her play here but I can't see how that washes. Polls over the next few weeks will be interesting.

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Talking of polls, one with a bigger Labour lead than that notorious thirty three per cent one.

https://peoplepolling.org/

The Times are now reporting that a group of Tory grandees are going to call next week for Truss to go.

My money's on the lettuce.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

The Times are now reporting that a group of Tory grandees are going to call next week for Truss to go.

My money's on the lettuce.

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I'm absolutely lumping everything on the lettuce

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The markets and business like certainty.

23rd september all the changes
3rd october 45p rate changes scrapped
14th october corporation tax changes scrapped

These guys are as anti-growth as you can possibly get.

Brilliant press conference.😂😂😂😂

Its like a sketch out of Little Britain.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Brilliant press conference.��������

Its like a sketch out of Little Britain.

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She answered four questions - well, there were four questions she gave the same answer to. The whole thing lasted just under ten minutes and it seemed like half of that time was taken up by her making up her mind who was going to ask the next one.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

She answered four questions - well, there were four questions she gave the same answer to. The whole thing lasted just under ten minutes and it seemed like half of that time was taken up by her making up her mind who was going to ask the next one.

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Yeah she looked in a panic on who should she allow to question her.

Personally, I cannot believe she has sacked him, and I think it's ridiculous.

The worst of the budget had been rolled back. Leave things to settle ffs.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Personally, I cannot believe she has sacked him, and I think it's ridiculous.

The worst of the budget had been rolled back. Leave things to settle ffs.

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She seems to think he's messed up, and that the minor fiscal event had quite an impact and was continuing to.

Do you think she should go?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Personally, I cannot believe she has sacked him, and I think it's ridiculous.

The worst of the budget had been rolled back. Leave things to settle ffs.

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Your party is a complete shambles and even Arty is mentioning going to the people.

Of course he needed sacking but the 2 have gone with that budget together.

There needs to be an election.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Your party is a complete shambles and even Arty is mentioning going to the people.

Of course he needed sacking but the 2 have gone with that budget together.

There needs to be an election.

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Probably the last thing the country needs, though I wonder if the Tories would call one - I doubt Starmer would relish being PM at the moment.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Probably the last thing the country needs, though I wonder if the Tories would call one - I doubt Starmer would relish being PM at the moment.

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The last thing we need is 2 more years of these clowns.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Personally, I cannot believe she has sacked him, and I think it's ridiculous.

The worst of the budget had been rolled back. Leave things to settle ffs.

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I think the questions touched on that.

Budget designed by Truss and Kwarteng, budget fails, Kwarteng goes. How she quite thinks she can get away with that is a mystery.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Your party is a complete shambles and even Arty is mentioning going to the people.

Of course he needed sacking but the 2 have gone with that budget together.

There needs to be an election.

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Labour have an open goal of a VONC. I can't think of a downside.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Yeah she looked in a panic on who should she allow to question her.

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At PMQ on Wednesday she gave the same answer (allbeit about help with energy bills) to every question. Today it was just a different same answer.

Liz Truss is thick as mince. Would you trust her with a job in a call centre? Great for her, money for old rope!

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Labour have an open goal of a VONC. I can't think of a downside.

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With the opinion polls showing huge Labour leads I can't see enough Tory MP's voting against Truss.

No doubt Labour will be taking soundings but will not call one unless they seriously think they can win it as it can often rally the governments MP's to their own side.

Quite possible the LD's or SNP will try for one for a bit of attention.

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

With the opinion polls showing huge Labour leads I can't see enough Tory MP's voting against Truss.

No doubt Labour will be taking soundings but will not call one unless they seriously think they can win it as it can often rally the governments MP's to their own side.

Quite possible the LD's or SNP will try for one for a bit of attention.

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Its a fair point. However those in marginal seats have had it anyway. Maybe they will be happy to see the complete annihilation theyd get.

This lot arent fit to run the country and should go now.

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

With the opinion polls showing huge Labour leads I can't see enough Tory MP's voting against Truss.

No doubt Labour will be taking soundings but will not call one unless they seriously think they can win it as it can often rally the governments MP's to their own side.

Quite possible the LD's or SNP will try for one for a bit of (attention.)

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Bloody attention seekers , opposition needs to man up for the fight ffs . Let's get this Tory Lite Blair Reincarnation in ASAP surely all the left loops have been culled??

If Sir Beer sacks Raynor he's got my vote

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Bloody attention seekers , opposition needs to man up for the fight ffs . Let's get this Tory Lite Blair Reincarnation in ASAP surely all the left loops have been culled??

If Sir Beer sacks Raynor he's got my vote

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I think the Labour Leader is confident enough of victory not to rely on a Tory boy saying he will switch for sacking Raynor.😂😂😂

Ange for Deputy. 😂😂😂

FFS weve currently got Terese Coffey.😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

With the opinion polls showing huge Labour leads I can't see enough Tory MP's voting against Truss.

No doubt Labour will be taking soundings but will not call one unless they seriously think they can win it as it can often rally the governments MP's to their own side.

Quite possible the LD's or SNP will try for one for a bit of attention.

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The one concern I've got is that given Truss is an electoral liability would a more sensible Sunak/Mordaunt/Javid leadership turn the electorate in their favour?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Bloody attention seekers , opposition needs to man up for the fight ffs . Let's get this Tory Lite Blair Reincarnation in ASAP surely all the left loops have been culled??

If Sir Beer sacks Raynor he's got my vote

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I bet you'd roger Raynor.

The only thing The Tories have managed to grow is people's mortgages.
There's more chance of getting a midget to grow at the moment.
I do think it's a clever move by Hunt his mate Rishi will be in No 10 in the next few weeks.
Wether the electorate fall for more Tory
bull shit is, another story.

The New Statesman is reporting that a "pile" of letters of no confidence in Truss have been sent to the 1922 Committee. If you'd asked me a couple of days ago if we would have yet another change of PM, I would have said no chance, but, as of this morning, I've changed my mind completely - I think she's had it and I don't think it will take long for her to go.

Hopefully this marks the end of the Brexit wing of the Tory party now their bizarre fantasy economics have been exposed. Enormous harm has already been done by these right wing lunatics but there was a lot more to come if they hadn’t imploded so spectacularly.

A General Election would be in the best interests of the country but failing that the Tories need to install a less extreme more centrist Government. I expect they will attempt to airbrush Truss and Kwarteng from history and if they’ve got any sense they’ll remove far right politicians like Suella Braverman from office too.

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Originally Posted by dandywarhol

The only thing The Tories have managed to grow is people's mortgages.
There's more chance of getting a midget to grow at the moment.
I do think it's a clever move by Hunt his mate Rishi will be in No 10 in the next few weeks.
Wether the electorate fall for more Tory
bull shit is, another story.

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How have the Tories 'grown' people's mortgages ? The B of E. sets interest rates. Before [if] you reply, please look at how the 3rd largest economy in the world operates. [Japan's mortgage rate is 0.4%, the USA's 5.5% today].

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Originally Posted by Delbert

Hopefully this marks the end of the Brexit wing of the Tory party now their bizarre fantasy economics have been exposed. Enormous harm has already been done by these right wing lunatics but there was a lot more to come if they hadn’t imploded so spectacularly.

A General Election would be in the best interests of the country but failing that the Tories need to install a less extreme more centrist Government. I expect they will attempt to airbrush Truss and Kwarteng from history and if they’ve got any sense they’ll remove far right politicians like Suella Braverman from office too.

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Very good post, I totally agree. There maybe light after all.

It's kind of funny that the swivel eyed loon Hunt who was one of the first to be knocked out of the leadership contest is now PM.

General election NOW!

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

It's kind of funny that the swivel eyed loon Hunt who was one of the first to be knocked out of the leadership contest is now PM.

General election NOW!

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He's been brought in solely to please some of Rishi's supporters, but it's too late I think.
She never had more than 1/3 of MPs supporting her throughout the leadership contest so was doomed as soon as she was elected.

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Originally Posted by Delbert

Hopefully this marks the end of the Brexit wing of the Tory party now their bizarre fantasy economics have been exposed. Enormous harm has already been done by these right wing lunatics but there was a lot more to come if they hadn’t imploded so spectacularly.

A General Election would be in the best interests of the country but failing that the Tories need to install a less extreme more centrist Government. I expect they will attempt to airbrush Truss and Kwarteng from history and if they’ve got any sense they’ll remove far right politicians like Suella Braverman from office too.

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Braverman is a shocking woman

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Originally Posted by jon1959

The public sector can and does make money - for the public.

This false argument used to be a Feedy favourite back in the day. I remember a tortuously long thread that for a while looked at Council public works departments and the effect of privatisation (outsourcing). The same job was being done by the same people and paid from the same source - local tax, council tenant rents and an element of national government subsidy. Magically it changed from being a drain on public funds one day, to an exciting example of enterprise and profit the next (for executives and shareholders at least).

Nothing changed except a % of the funding was syphoned off and was not available to repair homes or roads.

It was presented as a case of public = bad; private = good. Maybe now that LOM has re-invented himself as the board's top economist (courtesy of mainly unacknowledged lifts from the Telegraph, FT or Economist) he could explain why this is so?

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Because the private sector can deliver the service more cost effectively. So the theory goes.

But not everything can be measured in ££££