When Will The Left ?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Posting an article by a novelist that raises many of the legitimate issues that many of you refuse to acknowledge tells you all you need to know about me?

If you judge someone like that Peter, it is you we have learnt more about, not me. You know nothing about me whatsoever, or the issues and problems in my life.

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There is nothing - nothing - in there that is worthy of 'legitimate' debate

It is a xenophobic piece of crap, designed to please a xenophobic readership and sell more copies of the Sun......and you know it.

And you posted it....

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Posting an article by a novelist that raises many of the legitimate issues that many of you refuse to acknowledge tells you all you need to know about me?

Give it a rest - if you judge someone like that Peter, it is you we have learnt more about, not me. You know nothing about me whatsoever, or the issues and problems in my life.

I could make assumptions about you given that you dismiss all the issues raised - Shall I do that?

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Maybe I'm missing something, what groundbreaking new take are you seeing in that article?

- There's too many people entering illegally, no shit

- Putting them in hotels isn't a cost effective long term plan, no shit

The rest of the article is just fluff written to please the average sun reader. The fact that you think it's so good should worry you.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

There is nothing - nothing - in there that is worthy of 'legitimate' debate

It is a xenophobic piece of crap, designed to please a xenophobic readership and sell more copies of the Sun......and you know it.

And you posted it....

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Not just posted it, but thought it absolutely on the money with barely a word he could disagree with.

Not the bit about asylum seekers living in luxury hotels (despite the sight of overflow tents at hostel centres).

Not the bit about it being Labour's fault,or France's.

Not the false comparison between the numbers at the height of the Covid lockdown and now.

Not the bit about naturally born tenants being kicked out of their rented accomodation to house "them".

Not the bit about the country being wonderfully welcoming but sneering that all you have to do is say you're gay, Christian or trafficked to get a free pass.

Not the bit that said it is only herds of lefty lawyers surfing a boom of human rights that is blocking a tsunami of exports to Rwanda.

And not the bit that said the only solution is to stop the boats.

All this from someone who slags off anyone who likes a Marina Hyde or John Crace article as living in an echo chamber!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Not just posted it, but thought it absolutely on the money with barely a word he could disagree with.

Not the bit about asylum seekers living in luxury hotels (despite the sight of overflow tents at hostel centres).

Not the bit about it being Labour's fault,or France's.

Not the false comparison between the numbers at the height of the Covid lockdown and now.

Not the bit about naturally born tenants being kicked out of their rented accomodation to house "them".

Not the bit about the country being wonderfully welcoming but sneering that all you have to do is say you're gay, Christian or trafficked to get a free pass.

Not the bit that said it is only herds of lefty lawyers surfing a boom of human rights that is blocking a tsunami of exports to Rwanda.

And not the bit that said the only solution is to stop the boats.

All this from someone who slags off anyone who likes a Marina Hyde or John Crace article as living in an echo chamber!

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Careful now. This is the forum's self appointed balanced and unbiased Chief Debater you're talking about

17 posts in response. Lots of insults, lots of backs of hands to foreheads at the horror of reading something you disagree with, yet not one single counter point to deal with the problem. All you get upset about is words - the consequences never seem to cause any concern at all.

And that's why people would trust the alternative no more than the government, and perhaps even less so.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

17 posts in response. Lots of insults, lots of backs of hands to foreheads at the horror of reading something you disagree with, yet not one single counter point to deal with the problem. All you get upset about is words - the consequences never seem to cause any concern at all.

And that's why people would trust the alternative no more than the government, and perhaps even less so.

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Yet taking all that into consideration, if there was an election tomorrow you would vote Labour....

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

17 posts in response. Lots of insults, lots of backs of hands to foreheads at the horror of reading something you disagree with, yet not one single counter point to deal with the problem. All you get upset about is words - the consequences never seem to cause any concern at all.

And that's why people would trust the alternative no more than the government, and perhaps even less so.

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The article doesn't give any 'counter points to deal with the problem' either.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

The article doesn't give any 'counter points to deal with the problem' either.

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That's what I was thinking, it was just a rant.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...f-of-recession

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Two stock responses to that article.

1 - Criticise the messenger (in this case me, or Tony Parsons / The Sun however you look at it)
2 - Zero response to the issues raised within it.

Thats what I mean by the left kinda ignoring the issues and letting them fester.

These issues still exist whoever is in power.

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What issues? It's just a lot of tubthumping.

Chumbawumba

Jimbo

After 12 years of being in power, and a couple of years of being able to make our own laws (cough), why haven't the current government got a grip of the situation?

Do you think an alternative approach may work better?

“The left are ignoring the issue”

Then if someone complains….

“No you can’t have an opinion if you don’t have a solution”

Look, the Tories have only been in charge for 12 years, so I think it's only fair that The Left take their share of the heat.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Look, the Tories have only been in charge for 12 years, so I think it's only fair that The Left take their share of the heat.

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...pesky opposition parties and their no power. Imagine this current lot not having someone else to blame.

If the Tories and the right wing media stopped fanning the flames of hatred and stopped making this a political issue then it may well be some sensible solutions to the problem emerge.