MARK HUDSON SACKED

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

It's the speed of appointment that worries me as we don't have a track record of quick appointments and always seem to be on the back foot and with us needing to strengthen in this window which doesn't have long left
It then all becomes a bit panicky and this board doesn't seem to decide well in an emergency (cue the howls of derision that they don't decide well at any time)

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Agreed.

The new appointment is probably already lined up, Hudson would have been sacked regardless of yesterday’s result.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The new appointment is probably already lined up, Hudson would have been sacked regardless of yesterday’s result.

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I would be amazed if so as this would be out of habit on previous examples and we have had a few recently??

The statement from the club giving whitehead the reins for now seems to say they will begin the search now and knowing their track record appoint them after the window closes

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The new appointment is probably already lined up, Hudson would have been sacked regardless of yesterday’s result.

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I think with ninety five minutes played, Hudson was going to be our manager at Leeds and a minute later he wasn't. That equaliser did for him in my opinion. That said, I agree that he might well have been on borrowed time - an impressive win at Middlesbrough in his penultimate game didn't save Morison.

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

I would be amazed if so as this would be out of habit on previous examples and we have had a few recently??

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Perhaps but they usually sound out potential replacements weeks in advance and it’s usually around a transfer window , so it gives a new manager time to get in the replacements he wants , even if in our case they are loans.

There is no point sacking Hudson if it takes another two weeks to find a replacement as the window would have shut.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Perhaps but they usually sound out potential replacements weeks in advance and it’s usually around a transfer window , so it gives a new manager time to get in the replacements he wants , even if in our case they are loans.

There is no point sacking Hudson if it takes another two weeks to find a replacement as the window would have shut.

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Agreed but then this is our board who I am not sure know how to spell the word plan let alone actually have one that they can implement?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Perhaps but they usually sound out potential replacements weeks in advance and it’s usually around a transfer window , so it gives a new manager time to get in the replacements he wants , even if in our case they are loans.

There is no point sacking Hudson if it takes another two weeks to find a replacement as the window would have shut.

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Who are “they”? Cardiff. We haven’t done that for a long time.

Were either of the Dynamic Duo at the game yesterday or did they drop Hudson a text or something?

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Were either of the Dynamic Duo at the game yesterday or did they drop Hudson a text or something?

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Apparently Hudson was called into a meeting with Ken Choo at the stadium, according to Glen Williams of WalesOnline.

“He spoke then with BBC Radio Wales in the club's radio room, deep in the belly of the stadium, before being called into a meeting with Ken Choo, who delivered the bad news to the manager. The backroom staff also had meetings and Dean Whitehead made it known that he would be open to taking the role on a temporary basis.”

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Perhaps but they usually sound out potential replacements weeks in advance and it’s usually around a transfer window , so it gives a new manager time to get in the replacements he wants , even if in our case they are loans.

There is no point sacking Hudson if it takes another two weeks to find a replacement as the window would have shut.

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I was thinking about the transfer window too.
Will the transfer committee just bring in any players Hudson was looking at, which might not be (probably won't be) players the new manager wants?
Will they let the new manager bring some loans/frees in, assuming someone's appointed before the window shuts?
Will they let the interim manager (who was appointed as assistant manager by the last interim manager) decide who to bring in?
Will they bring nobody in because the new manager isn't appointed in time/doesn't know the current squad/hasn't been scouting for what's needed?
What an almighty mess.

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

I was thinking about the transfer window too.
Will the transfer committee just bring in any players Hudson was looking at, which might not be (probably won't be) players the new manager wants?
Will they let the new manager bring some loans/frees in, assuming someone's appointed before the window shuts?
Will they let the interim manager (who was appointed as assistant manager by the last interim manager) decide who to bring in?
Will they bring nobody in because the new manager isn't appointed in time/doesn't know the current squad/hasn't been scouting for what's needed?
What an almighty mess.

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Any chance the board realised they had to pay Nantes to get out of the transfer embargo to give a manager they had discussed taking over the ability to bring in loan signings ? I know this is Cardiff City and probably it was decided on the 96th minute equaliser ?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Perhaps but they usually sound out potential replacements weeks in advance and it’s usually around a transfer window , so it gives a new manager time to get in the replacements he wants , even if in our case they are loans.

There is no point sacking Hudson if it takes another two weeks to find a replacement as the window would have shut.

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I think you’re giving Dalman & Choo far too much credit, they have no track record of being proactive. We need a new manager within this week but I suspect it will either be with one or two days of the window or they’ll stick with Whitehead.

It’s clear that Hudson had to be sacked but what worries me is that it just seems there’s no plan

I wouldn’t be surprised if they are now sitting round a table ringing round to see who’s available

There’s lots of candidates on SkyBet but I do wonder who actually would consider the vacancy.

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Originally Posted by billy.ronson

Any chance the board realised they had to pay Nantes to get out of the transfer embargo to give a manager they had discussed taking over the ability to bring in loan signings ? I know this is Cardiff City and probably it was decided on the 96th minute equaliser ?

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Would be good, but probably not

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

There’s lots of candidates on SkyBet but I do wonder who actually would consider the vacancy.

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Clubs looking for a new manager nearly always do so because their club is in the s**t.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You know a lot about the game and I’ve been surprised and disappointed by your lack of constructive criticism - basically, all you say is everything is crap.

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Well said, good luck with this.

There are two issues here; how the club is run ("what is the plan" is this mornings soundbite) and Hudson's ability as a manager.

Whatever the answer to the first is, the second has to be that Hudson clearly wasn't up to it. Whilst I don't believe in the chopping and changing of Managers, there appears to have been little tactical nous under Hudson and we have been completely shapeless going forward.

With hindsight, the Morison sacking as a joke. Getting rid of him with no replacement lined up was just plain stupid. Whatever the rights or wrongs of Morison as a manager, we would be higher up the table if he he hadn't been sacked,

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Originally Posted by AdrianAlston

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Morison as a manager, we would be higher up the table if he he hadn't been sacked,

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That’s an opinion, but I don’t think there’s much evidence to back it up.

It baffles me how some fans still think our board has a plan.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

It baffles me how some fans still think our board has a plan.

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If we have a plan and part of that plan had the appointment of Morison and Hudson and giving them virtually no money to rebuild a squad I think we can safely say that if there is one then it is far from a good one.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

That’s an opinion, but I don’t think there’s much evidence to back it up.

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Correct, the evidence (results) during Morison’s time suggest we’d be, more or less, in the same position. There weren’t any pointers during his tenure that we were improving, certainly not improving enough to now be in a comfortable position in the table as some posters allude to. It’s not as if he was snapped up by another struggling club and turned them around to allow the pro Morison posters to say ‘I told you so’. Seems like he’s on ‘ignore’ in football circles.

Changing the manager in the style that we are, a cheap stab in the dark and that's being kind, is just putting a plaster on a gaping wound.

We need a huge rethink of how things are done at the club or a personnel change, however that comes about.

Carrying on as we are and running things on a shoestring with people with no footballing experience picking people with hardly any to manage us is going to end one way.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Correct, the evidence (results) during Morison’s time suggest we’d be, more or less, in the same position. There weren’t any pointers during his tenure that we were improving, certainly not improving enough to now be in a comfortable position in the table as some posters allude to. It’s not as if he was snapped up by another struggling club and turned them around to allow the pro Morison posters to say ‘I told you so’. Seems like he’s on ‘ignore’ in football circles.

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We played better football and were slightly more threatening under Morison. I’m confident we’d be in a better position but we’ll never know

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Changing the manager in the style that we are, a cheap stab in the dark and that's being kind, is just putting a plaster on a gaping wound.

We need a huge rethink of how things are done at the club or a personnel change, however that comes about.

Carrying on as we are and running things on a shoestring with people with no footballing experience picking people with hardly any to manage us is going to end one way.

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I agree with much of that. However the immediate priority must be to avoid relegation. So what do we need? A rookie manager or a man with experience? Surely the club can't continue with their continual sackings of people with no experience. I believe the Board must know that. I don't think either there was no substance in the Warnock rumours last week. It seems obvious to me that Warnock is the man if he agrees to come. That may well be the best we can get at the moment and let's face it he has a pretty good record.. At least a Warnock appointment until the end of the season would give the club time to find a longer term appointment.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I agree with much of that. However the immediate priority must be to avoid relegation. So what do we need? A rookie manager or a man with experience? Surely the club can't continue with their continual sackings of people with no experience. I believe the Board must know that. I don't think either there was no substance in the Warnock rumours last week. It seems obvious to me that Warnock is the man if he agrees to come. That may well be the best we can get at the moment and let's face it he has a pretty good record.. At least a Warnock appointment until the end of the season would give the club time to find a longer term appointment.

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It could be a cheap option as I am assuming he like countless others are still on our payroll🤔

Tan is probably wondering if we need a manager anyway. He's one of these Blue Sky radical thinkers

After all it would save him a couple of quid and if all the rumours are to be believed he picks and controls the team anyway.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

It’s a fair point I think about being opened up if we had a more attacking outlook, but, if it did lead to us scoring more, it’d a be a risk worth taking - apart from two freakish occasions when we scored three, we can only win games 1-0 this season and I don’t see that being enough to keep us up. Unfortunately, I’m not convinced we have the players to do it. You picked a team in another post which to me seems to be the way to go - three at the back with a fit Romeo and O’Dowda as wing backs because they’ve been our best and most consistent wing backs. I agree with Wintle and Rinomhota in midfield (the latter can be anonymous at times, but he’s played well recently and Ralls hasn’t- - unfortunately because he was a fine player at this level, all Sawyers has done is prove his legs have gone).

Robinson has to be a part of any front three and Davies caused Leeds the sort of problems for a defence that none of our players have done this season for forty five minutes at least - he was less effective yesterday mind. Having watched Etete yesterday, we need someone to become a reliable attacking focal point. You’ve mentioned Hugill, but is a Championship side going to allow one of their players to come here when all they need to do is ask us for a loan fee? I accept it’s very unlikely, but it’s still just feasible in such a tight division that we could go on a great run and become a Play Off rival for Norwich. Going for a Premier League striker probably means a youngster and a pretty untested one at that if there is no loan fee involved, so you start thinking would they be any better than Etete?

All I can think is that any new manager will be aware of our requirements and might be able to call in a few favours from old mates - we really need a quick appointment and it has to be someone who is an improvement on our last four managers -of course, the question then becomes are our lot capable of doing that?

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For me, we have 3 players who have to start. Kipre, O'Dowda and Robinson. I think when McGuinness officially comes back, he will join that 4. He's the best player in League One and he has to come back in. For me, Wintle and Romeo should, and given our predicament, probably Davies to utilise his pace.

We absolutely have to open up and try to score more often, it is a risk we have to take. Sorry if I wasn't clear I was trying to say I don't believe our defenders are as good as believed. I think they're very well protected and we are genuinely pretty hard to break down and that helps them no end. I'm not a huge fan of Ng.

Re Hugill, he's not had a sniff at Norwich, has he? He's played 62 minutes this season and he rarely makes the bench. If he's on about 20 grand a week as has been reported, we could save Norwich 500k over the course of half a season. He can't play against Norwich and in all honesty, we are far more likely to take points off their playoff rivals than catch them. I think it makes a lot of sense. It probably won't happen, we've got 16 days left of the transfer window and we haven't started looking for a manager.

Maybe we can hope Forest sign another 20 players or so and we can get some of their cast offs on loan.:hehe:

I really, really hope we get a new manager to tells Tan he will take the job if Tan takes a back seat. I'm fed up to the back teeth of inexperienced managers and clueless board members making terrible decisions.

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Originally Posted by AdrianAlston

There are two issues here; how the club is run ("what is the plan" is this mornings soundbite) and Hudson's ability as a manager.

Whatever the answer to the first is, the second has to be that Hudson clearly wasn't up to it. Whilst I don't believe in the chopping and changing of Managers, there appears to have been little tactical nous under Hudson and we have been completely shapeless going forward.

With hindsight, the Morison sacking as a joke. Getting rid of him with no replacement lined up was just plain stupid. Whatever the rights or wrongs of Morison as a manager, we would be higher up the table if he he hadn't been sacked,

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Agree with this.
Spedger

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Originally Posted by Sloop_Jon_Bee

Agree with this.
Spedger

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Yes it's true.

If ever there were seminars available to prospective owners how NOT to manage a club, that episode would make for essential presentation.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

We played better football and were slightly more threatening under Morison. I’m confident we’d be in a better position but we’ll never know

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City failed to score in six of the eleven games Morison was in charge of this season. The last of those games was a 1-0 defeat at Huddersfield - a team so bad they've yet to be out of the relegation zone this season. If City were more threatening under Morison, then let's be honest - the difference was so slight as to be barely noticeable.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

City failed to score in six of the eleven games Morison was in charge of this season. The last of those games was a 1-0 defeat at Huddersfield - a team so bad they've yet to be out of the relegation zone this season. If City were more threatening under Morison, then let's be honest - the difference was so slight as to be barely noticeable.

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Yeah we weren’t exactly setting the world on fire goal scoring wise but were playing much better football.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

Yeah we weren’t exactly setting the world on fire goal scoring wise but were playing much better football.

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How could it be better if we weren't scoring goals or winning games?

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Originally Posted by RichardM

How could it be better if we weren't scoring goals or winning games?

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I didn’t see anything as bad as our last four league games under Morison this season - we had weaknesses and there’s no great difference between the records of Morison and Hudson, but I saw more potential for improvement early in the season than I do now.

Results are what matter, but I thought we were clearly a better team under Morison, or at least it looked like we had a coherent plan and had much more of a cutting edge. Ultimately what did him in was Watters and Harris not putting the ball in the back of the net, which admittedly was a problem of his own making, but in terms of chances created and actually looking like a team who hadn't been thrown together in the bar the night before on the back of a napkin, it was night and day Morison to Hudson IMO.

And ultimately whether you agree or disagree, sacking a manager you've let sign 17 players just to let his assistant with less managerial experience take a crack at the job in the hopes thing get better is not the sign of a sanely run club. If we'd got an experienced manager in to replace Morison I'd have been fine with the firing, but that's not what happened and we are not in a better position now.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I agree with much of that. However the immediate priority must be to avoid relegation. So what do we need? A rookie manager or a man with experience? Surely the club can't continue with their continual sackings of people with no experience. I believe the Board must know that. I don't think either there was no substance in the Warnock rumours last week. It seems obvious to me that Warnock is the man if he agrees to come. That may well be the best we can get at the moment and let's face it he has a pretty good record.. At least a Warnock appointment until the end of the season would give the club time to find a longer term appointment.

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I've said elsewhere I'd take Warnock, certainly until the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I didn’t see anything as bad as our last four league games under Morison this season - we had weaknesses and there’s no great difference between the records of Morison and Hudson, but I saw more potential for improvement early in the season than I do now.

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They played differently but neither approach was successful in any way.

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Originally Posted by Q

They played differently but neither approach was successful in any way.

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I’ve haven’t honestly noticed much difference in the way be played under both managers.

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Originally Posted by Q

They played differently but neither approach was successful in any way.

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They gave Morison £1.5 million which no one expected us to spend to bring in a forward who is a step up from the sort of names we were being linked with and then sacked him a fortnight later. All I’m saying is that I saw more potential for improvement under Morison - perhaps I’d have been proved wrong, but we never got the chance to find out.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’ve haven’t honestly noticed much difference in the way be played under both managers.

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Oh come on you must have. Some of our passing moves under Morison from defence to attack were quality. Under Hudson we can’t string two passes together.