Has he said he wants that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
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Has he said he wants that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
You do love a conspiracy theory don't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
He disagrees with the policy of stopping the boats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
What on earth else, do you think he's saying?!
It will be probably be a much better program.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Well, today I learned that three word political slogans do actually work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
"Stop the boats"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Maybe it's starting to work, finally. Long way to go though :thumbup:
You were the one who said Lineker wants every Tom dick and Harry let inQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
Not me
Either you are right wing or you are just right wing on this subject
There is lots wrong with uk housing policy but blaming it on refugees and migrants , which is what you are doing , is what Lineker is criticising
No , he hasn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Ninja has said that
Thank god he's not a famous sports presenter
I bet he made a packet from crisps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
No need for salty comments like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond
He's clearly not saying let every Tom dick and Harry inQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
That's for certain
That sort of language is for daily mail , sun readers and feckwits down the pub half pissed
Calling for a better and more organised policy regarding refugees , asylum seekers and the issue of immigration is good for everyone
But that's not what the Tories are all about and I hope that in thinking for yourself as you put it you don't end up voting for the twats
Well you have fallen for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
Bring out your dead !
I am not right wing you banana 🍌Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yet anyone who disagrees with your overtly "PC" pushing, apparently is! Can you not see that ffs?
You're a good poster Sludge, as is Bob, I have respect for you both.
Have respect though, for the fact that not everybody is leftist, or PC, and just willing to put up with this shit.
I'll link a couple of articles that I've read today, they've literally just popped up on my social media. Bearing in mind, these don't even include the hundreds of thousands of illegals that cross, set up shop growing shit-tons of weed in vacant properties etc. Or the criminal gangs that don't go down the "official" immigration route etc, etc, etc...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2153048.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2210968.html
Do you think this shit is right?
That we (as a country) are spending BILLIONS to keep these people housed in hotels that are a better standard of living than most UK homes?
With their own menu's designed to cater for their tastes ffs? (And this had been confirmed!)
It's beyond ridonculous.
There are homeless Brits dying on the streets with no roof over their heads, while tens of thousands of immigrants live in 5 star accomodation with catered menu's, and you still can't see that the system is f*cked.
I haven't fallen for shit sonny.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Respond to my previous post.
With the weekend off, he can go and spend some of that Qatari money that's burning a hole in his bank account.
This is all about the Tories descent to the bottom. They have made a mess of the country. The most corrupt governance in our lifetimes. Constant lying and deception. A disastrous Brexit. A cost of living crisis. At war with the public sector.God knows how many PM’s and Home Secretaries.
So let’s blame immigrants. It’s a useful diversionary tactic. It’s all they have left. They are repulsive.
What's that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The chaos of world wide migration due to war , hunger and economies in ruins is not caused by those coming hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
It's the failure on this government's policies that's causing the backlogs
The system is fecked but this governments plans are not going to sort things out
Saying .....stop the boats ! .....sounds good but they are just trying to get people to vote for them by lying
I hope you are wise to this
He's got the weekend off and needs something to doQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
That says it in a nutshell as far as I am concernedQuote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Rotten bunch
All of us agree that the costs are not justifiable. The fault lies solely with this government as they have failed to process people quickly and have made a right balls up of the asylum system. They are the ones you should be annoyed at. To deflect, they use far right, populist language, and it works on some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
Do you really think that if there were no human beings coming over on boats that this government would house the homeless, no feckin chance.
They have failed because at every turn they face opposition, primarily from people that politically you would fully agree with. Same with trying to remove foreign criminals. They failed to do it, but at least they tried. I haven't heard much support for that from other parties.
You're missing the mark mate, and not reading what's posted, clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I wouldn't vote Tory if you paid me to, and I certainly won't fall for the bullshit they spout.
This really is a crisis though, despite the fact that the likes of Lineker and the other millionaires living around Savile Row, would clearly have you believe otherwise.
They're all hero's right? Lineker, Neville etc etc, housing immigrants in hotels they've invested in, whilst receiving government grants to do so....
I see with my own eyes Sludge, not through tainted glasses handed to me by others.
The biggest issue here has to be control of the media, surely? We can all have differences of opinion on a wide range of issues, and it's a shame this thread has been derailed into yet another boring immigration slanging match.
Let's go back to the last year of the last Labour government. In opposition the Tories announced an intention to clip the wings of the BBC. Overnight, Rupert Murdoch's media empire unanimously announced its support for the Conservatives. Murdoch has long been critical of the supposed power the BBC holds. Since then, the BBC has been very reluctant to go against the Conservative party for fear of reprisals.
The BBC regularly gets opposing views on the same subject to make sure its reporting is "balanced", particularly when an item is critical of the government, yet that doesn't always work. If 100 experts agree on one thing and 1 biased individual doesn't, creating a host of lies in the process, that's not presenting the situation accurately. There have been reports of Conservative plants in the audience at Question Time. Political editors are generally Conservatives.
Any commercial broadcaster can adopt any angle it likes, so Sky, GB News etc can say what it wants (in the case of GB Bollocks it doesn't even have to be true). Channel 4 is a public service broadcaster, so again needs to be impartial. It has stood up to the Tory government more than any other broadcaster and asked tough questions of them. The government's response has been to suggest selling Channel 4 and removing its public service remit.
I don't care what side of the political spectrum someone aligns with, our public service broadcasters should be freely able to criticise and ask difficult questions of all of our politicians, political decision making and discussions etc. Any party threatening these broadcasters in order to get them to "back off" is effectively controlling our unbiased media in the country in favour of biased media that promotes them.
I never watch Match of the Day as I have no interest in the Premier League but this turn of events could have interesting consequences. Suppose those who do watch MOTD discover that actually having no pundits is not a bad thing and Lineker et al are rather superfluous. The BBC could dispose of their services and save quite a bit of cash in the process. Obviously the likes of SKY would be happy to take him off their hands I would imagine.
Incidentally whilst I agree Lineker has every right to express his personal opinion what he said was totally idiotic. There is no way the current situation resembles Germany in the 1930's. If it did, we would be "disposing" of boat people very shortly after they arrive in the UK.
oops not true , they will however air the episode showing the destruction invasive species have on the indigenous flora and fauna.Quote:
Originally Posted by 79blue
I'm not sure much of this is true. All TV news stations need to be impartial in the UK. There are always reports of "plants" in programmes like QT on both sides, and on Brexit (as one example) the ratio of panellists was always disproportionately against the govt position. Are political editors conservative? I don't think so. I don't think that can be said of the likes of Lewis Goodall etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
In all honesty, I think the BBC generally does impartiality well. Loons on both sides will criticise it, which is probably a sign it's doing okay.
Ultimately inpartiality is critical to our faith in it and if Lineker has been warned numerous times by his employer and carried on, then some action was probably inevitable.
I think his tweet was preposterous, ignorant and offensive but I do think he has a right to say it, but I also understand the BBCs position here.
Hopefully one positive is that this knee jerk desire to 'cancel' people will calm down a little bit on future.
Give them time; it's early days yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Lineker is forever trying to be clever, and something of a social media "hero".Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Every man and woman is entitled to their opinion, and nobody can argue that.
When you work for a corporation such as the BBC though, then there are obvious expectations, which is obviously why he's being dragged over the hot coal right now.
Sludge should work for the BBC, they'd have no worries there. It's as if Harry Potter himself has cast a "politically correct" spell on him. :hehe:
Did Lineker say the situation in the UK resembles that of Germany in the 1930s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I didn’t read that. I don’t think he said that.
He said the language used by the Home Secretary and others resembles that used in Germany in the 1930s to demonise ‘others’.
He is right.
Didn't you support the people trying to overturn a democratic referendum result? Isn't that a bit, ya know, fascisty? It does make me question whether such people are the best judges of liberal democracies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Jon, you do normally make reasoned posts even if I don't always agree with you, but with respect, you are not doing so here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
We all know what people are saying when they accuse someone of apeing 1930s Germany. They are accusing someone or something of being like one of the greatest mass murdering regimes in history.
I do support his right to say what he wants, but it was a stupid and ignorant comment.
I supported the overthrow of a morally flawed referendum initiated for bogus reasons and hugely disingenuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Had this referendum been set up on a truly democratic basis I would have respected the result. However, I have no time for referenda anyway, we are a Parliamentary Democracy and Parliament should have the exclusive right to make such momentous decisions.
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I agree that referenda should be used sparingly, but they should also be respected. But thanks for clarifying that it's okay if you don't like it, it's fine to dismiss the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
What a hypocrite 😂.
Like I said, not the best to cast judgment on the state of liberal democracies.
James you're really missing the point on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Creating the environment in which state sponsored murder is carried out does not happen overnight. There are antecedents which lead the way step by step. The dehumanising and scapegoating of a minority ethnicities is the very first part of the process.
No-one, and certainly not Lineker, was suggesting our Government are acting like the Nazis. But there are earnings from history and which should be heeded because dark forces can be unleashed very easily.
Lineker was right to warn of the dangers of inflammatory language which could cause tragedy if care is not taken. Surely it is worthy of reflection.
"They are accusing someone or something of being like one of the greatest mass murdering regimes in history. "Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Or they are simply saying that the language that they used was not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the '30s.
Which, coincidentally, is *literally* what he said.
This won't last. He's a private citizen and allowed to have opinions.
Good God man what's hypocritical about what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I don't agree with referenda and I don't think they're democratic. As I said we live in a Parliamentary Democracy. I'm happy to leave decisions which are beyond the scope of ordinary people to parliamentarians. Otherwise why don't we just settle everything by constant referenda?
David Cameron and others had meetings with Rupert Murdoch while in opposition is fact. His announcement to clip the wings of the BBC (a Murdoch aim) and Murdoch's new-found support for the Conservatives in 2009 must just be a mere coincidence. The government has suggested removing the licence fee - what sort of effect would holding such an axe have? Total impartiality? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You are wrong to say TV news stations need to be unbiased. GB News certainly isn't unbiased. A commercial broadcaster can report on what it wants in the same way Fox news in America broadcasts utter bollocks every day.
Going back to Channel 4, it is fact that the government have been hell bent on selling it. Do you think it would be so bothered had Channel 4 not been so critical of some of the things the government have done? If there's one broadcaster who is not afraid to challenge the government it is Channel 4.
Anyway, back to Lineker's tweet, he compares government language with that used in 1930s Germany to describe immigrants. When you read some of the stuff said by Braverman and others, nobody can say he's talking nonsense.