The walled off but is Stanway Rd I think, Snowden is continuous, from the top of Wilson Rd over to Grand Avenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by celticknight
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The walled off but is Stanway Rd I think, Snowden is continuous, from the top of Wilson Rd over to Grand Avenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by celticknight
Is Mr Chips still going ?
What is society coming to when the police cannot even follow two lads breaking the law dangerously. :shrug:
The commissioner is not helping himself either but its a sad state of events when he cant come out and say yes we were chasing / following them because they were breaking the law.
He will have had the information that there was no police chase from the officers on the groundQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
The question is why didn't they say that whilst they were not chasing the kids , they were following them .....which is what society expects
Why have the police got themselves into this situation ?
The locals were saying the kids were being chased .....followed ....tailed .....whatever ....by the police and they were right
And it could be argued it kicked off more than it should because the insinuation was that the police were saying the locals were not telling the truth
What law were they breaking?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Police have to do a risk assessment when considering a pursuit. These are kids who had no protective gear on.
The arguement from the police .....after this footage emerged .....was that they were following at distance rather than in pursuitQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Why they havnt admitted that and importantly admitted that when the community said this is what was happening .....is bizarre
Imagine being a young copper with good intentions going around the estate after all this ?
I would imagine they will be mobbed up in vans from now on
Speeding and not wearing a helmet for a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Ebikes that can go faster than 15mph on the road have to follow the same rules as a motorbike or moped. They were going faster than 15mph hence they are no longer alive. They have paid the ultimate price.
care to enlighten us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
And magic carpets? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Add Snivel Servants plus Americans and Malaysians who own football clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
Nonsense if he was a conservtive politician you would say he was lying the double standards are unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Back peddling now it's a labour politician it can't be his fault for reporting what he was told now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I saw the actual police superintendent, he was open he came straight out and said yes we were following them.
Exactly they were doing their job, if the police suspect you are committing a crime and you refuse to stop of course they should follow you.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
The guilty are the victims these days same as St Mellons card deaths again kids . The first reaction is bkane the nasty copoers ffs their not the ones driving illegally, high on drugs, breaking law , scaring folk on bikes, burning cars . ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I don’t think officers are allowed to get involved in a pursuit, unless they are trained and then, it’s normally the traffic/road policing officers who have to get permission from a senior officer in the control room. The Met Police have adopted the policy of actually ramming motorbikes,scooters etc and the rate for this type of crime dropped dramatically. I think the Police and Alun Michael have shot themselves in the foot with the wrong information but the saddest thing, is two guys have lost their lives and I feel for their families and friends.
Yeah if they are too worried to even chase the little chavvy scumbags on their E scooters or whatever they are on then we are truly effed.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Slightly off topic, is there a problem in and around Merthyr with teenage gangs at the moment?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
You are being a complete arseholeQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
In the same way that the labour party were rightly criticised for labelling rishi sunack a child abuse sympathiser .....by loads of people in the labour party .....then if Alun Micheal is making a complete dogs dinner out of this then he deserves criticism and he's having plenty of it from people of all backgrounds
It's got nothing to do with his politics you silly fanny
JR Hartley has shot them all and sent their relatives to Russian salt minesQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The deputy chief constable walked out of the press conferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by SOXY BOY
They seem to be running around like the keystone cops
Mark Dripford has made a statement now, he’ll get it sorted out !
Statement from the Deputy CC including an updated timeline
https://fb.watch/kK1X9LR7LI/
of course you did..who gives a feck about the dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
There was. It’s been nipped in the bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Called themselves the YADs - Young and Deadly. Just bullying little wankers picking on people in big gangs. They are about 13 to 15.
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Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Ok thanks for the update
I drove back to Barry from the UHW this evening and a fair police presence on cowbridge Rd West, pairs of police stood on a few corners, a few vans packed in the lay-bys / pull-ins
I'm glad that someone has had the courage to say the bleedin' obvious. Here were two lads without protective headgear on an e-bike designed for one person, and going at quite a speed. The police are in an impossible situation here I think. If they are said to have been "chasing" these lads then it is argued they must have contributed to their deaths whereas if they merely "followed" them, then shouldn't we ask why didn't they try to stop them and thus prevent them killing themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Lets also be honest here, the people out Rioting will not need a huge excuse to launch bricks at the police and burn out carsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Of course the Police should have been following them, do we let these type of idiots blast around on 30mph ( plus ) E-bikes and just say " oh thats ok, we dont want to upset them " then they slam into a old dear coming back from the corner shop and kill her
The issue is why have they not been straight from the startQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
It's embarrassing they are like the chuckle brothers
Being honest is what the police should have been doing from the startQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
We have had the police chief saying one thing , a chief superintendent saying something else ......once footage emerged of the van following them .....and today the assistant chief constable is in front of the press and cameras again ......admitting a van WAS following the boys
What's all that about and they must think some people came down in the last shower of rain ? !
The issue is not regarding the deaths of those two boys . Or criminal activity following the crash .
It's about the police reaction . It's all very well talking about the hard job the police have but nobody is forced to join and those at the top have got to engage properly and professionally with the public after incidents like this.
It's almost as if Cardiff City are running the show .
The last time anything like this happened in Ely was 1991, most of the people attacking the police weren't even born back then. As cretinous as they may be, and without consideration for peoples safety or their community and the welfare of the people who live in it, i would add that these idiots probably do need quite a huge excuse to go out and do what they did, that doesn't make it right, it was appalling, but don't fall into the trap of thinking that this kind of shit could happen on a regular basis. The good people of Ely are being failed by the Police, by the local authority, by the education system, and by the politicians. It'll probably take something like this to make them react and do something, although i very much doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
These bikes and scooters are running around Ely constantly, i know, i have to dodge around them. The police don't do shit about it, they park up in their vans and ignore it for the best part. They react when it suits them to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Wether their reaction was good , bad or nothing at all it's the fact they have from the start failed to state exactly the situation that people saw .....a police van following two kids on a scooter .....that has caused confusion , mistrust and given some the excuse to get involved in confrontationQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Let's imagine some people on here were in Ely and saw the scooter being followed by a police van
The crash occurs and on social media people start saying what they saw .....kids being followed by a van
The police come out and say there wasn't a chase etc ......
To a lot of people that's going to feel that they are being challenged on what they saw
Chase , pursuit , trailed , shadowed
You say potato , I say potato etc etc
It really doesn't matter
The police failed to make sure everyone knew that the boys were being followed but when they crashed the police had withdrawn
This is all down to this simple matter . This missed opportunity has lit the fuse .
Were there any disturbances in Ely this evening?
Driving along Western Ave the along Cowbridge Rd towards Culver at around 7.45 could see a tall plume of smoke, then 2 fire engines with sirens on making their way towards it.
Firstly, the two are not mutually exclusive. Secondly, as you can see by the title of this thread my comment was posted during the disturbances later in the evening and pertain to that and that only. I don't need to virtue signal any sympathies I have for the victims of what happened earlier. But if you want to be seen to be making a fuss, be my guest. Cheers now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Lots I disagree with you on Sludge, but I’m with you on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I think my parents did a good job in bringing my siblings and I up, but the respect for and trust in the police that we had drummed into us during our childhoods has not been justified in my experience in the last forty years or so in particular. My use of the word experience is not totally justified mind because there’s been little direct experience of them (what there has been has been a mixture of good and bad), but life in general has taught me that the police tend to lurch from one crisis to another, there are plenty of fine wors spoken after something like the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, but, essentially, nothing ever changes - suffice it to say, I’m not sure how anyone can be shocked by, for example, the police actions against the Republic protesters a few weeks back or the lies after what happened on Monday - it’s what the police do.
The communication was pathetic, but I suppose they were under pressure, every day the information was getting BBC verified, but even then all they were doing was looking at 1 or 2 cameras minutes before the accident, they didn't know the boys drove towards the police, saw them turned around and both ended up traveling in the same direction and that the police didn't actually pursue them for long, and were half a mile away from the accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It looks like a tragic accident but the police were not really involved and the riot was based on hearsay.
The police should be praised when they do a good job .....that's most of the time .....Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The second CCTV video released yesterday actually makes it look nothing like a chase. Van was well behind them and then went a different direction. Unfortunately the press seem to sense a 'gotcha' moment and don't really seem to be analysing it
I wouldn't hold your breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk