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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
I've yet to meet one, and I work there a lot and have to speak to many people from different backgrounds, they used to laugh and ridicule Drakeford it was embarrassing and has probably added to my dislike of him and his team.
Before that none of them had heard of him. That was the problem, Covid and his daft measures gave him a little bit of power and attention, but now he seems to crave it with pointless and more different ideas that may give him a tiny little bit of attention in England, meanwhile lowering the standards of living and enjoyment for the people of Wales who he is supposed to be serving in our best interests.
Hopefully, he'll retire soon, and none of his team gets a look in and some half-intelligent more balanced mini-Starmer gets a go to try and sort things out.
As for Boris, he was way too cautious, but ten times better than Drakford and Sturgeon, if it was up to them, the UK would be in a far worse position than it currently is, they never wanted to unlock at all, and tried to stop it and the same with Brexit, delays to both have left us all in a right mess.
Time to move this to the alternative thread, 90% of people don't want to plod around at 20mph, but some people will pretend they love it because it was a Welsh Labour idea or because they are pensioners with nowhere to go and can take all day to get there.
Aha, Brexit supporting, against Covid restriction, would rather Wales be a small part of England guy. I think we know where the rest of this thread is going.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Aha, Brexit supporting, against Covid restriction, would rather Wales be a small part of England guy. I think we know where the rest of this thread is going.
I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.
Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.
Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.
Boris frightened people with his headline of people you know will die.
There have been no delay tactics with Brexit. The referendum should have specified what leaving actually meant. Instead we had all sorts of options. Leave meant different things to different people, all believing their version of 'leave' was meant. We had all sorts of deals and a no deal. It was as if "shit, they've voted to leave, what does that mean, what was promised, what do we want?"
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.
Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.
I don’t understand what locking down longer or what was, wasn’t, could’ve, should’ve been done during covid has got to do with speed limits
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
I voted to remain but accepted the narrow majority, All those delay tactics badly damaged the negotiations and we are in a mess because of it. I wasn't against all restrictions and accepted the initial lockdowns, I was also pro vaccines whatever was needed to get the Country moving again. It became clear the measures were too harsh and that we stayed locked down too long and neglected the economy. Boris was at fault, but under pressure because Drakeford and Sturgeon were trying to delay unlocking and frightened a lot of you that to go back to normal life was reckless.
Wales is in a worse position because of Drakeford's extra measures and neglect of the economy instead of playing petty party politics.
It’s Mark & Nicola actually, or are you just on first name terms with your kind?
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
I don’t understand what locking down longer or what was, wasn’t, could’ve, should’ve been done during covid has got to do with speed limits
Because it doesn’t matter that speed limits have been reduced in many countries, everything & anything is Mark Drakeford’s fault every time, however far you go back.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
I've yet to meet one, and I work there a lot and have to speak to many people from different backgrounds, they used to laugh and ridicule Drakeford it was embarrassing and has probably added to my dislike of him and his team.
Before that none of them had heard of him. That was the problem, Covid and his daft measures gave him a little bit of power and attention, but now he seems to crave it with pointless and more different ideas that may give him a tiny little bit of attention in England, meanwhile lowering the standards of living and enjoyment for the people of Wales who he is supposed to be serving in our best interests.
Hopefully, he'll retire soon, and none of his team gets a look in and some half-intelligent more balanced mini-Starmer gets a go to try and sort things out.
As for Boris, he was way too cautious, but ten times better than Drakford and Sturgeon, if it was up to them, the UK would be in a far worse position than it currently is, they never wanted to unlock at all, and tried to stop it and the same with Brexit, delays to both have left us all in a right mess.
Time to move this to the alternative thread, 90% of people don't want to plod around at 20mph, but some people will pretend they love it because it was a Welsh Labour idea or because they are pensioners with nowhere to go and can take all day to get there.
Up the Pig Shaggers!!!
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Boris was shit because of Drakeford and Sturgeon.????
FFS these Tory boys will do anyything to defend them.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
It’s Mark & Nicola actually, or are you just on first name terms with your kind?
Very funny :ayatollah:
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looks like Scotland is following suit but motorways this time !
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co....speed-29629787
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Genuine question.......are any of the posters on here having to leave home for work significantly earlier in the morning or arriving home much later after work due to the revised speed limits?
It isn't in force yet, give 'em a chance :shrug:
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
It isn't in force yet, give 'em a chance :shrug:
Drakeford locked down too long
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Cardiff bus is cutting back on services from tomorrow (Monday) partially because of the 20mph limits
The Government seems to have conveniently missed that one.
Cardiff Bus said one of the reasons they are reducing services is because the lower 20 MPH speed limit makes the routes unviable, and also the buses cannot do it all the time without degrading the vehicle.
The new £1 million bus lane on Pen Hill was intended to reduce bus route timings by 40 Seconds at best. That was at 30 MPH. how much will they save now?
Probably hours because they will cancel the routes all together.
So where does that sit with the Government abusing drivers to force more people onto affordable convenient public transport?
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
They'll be delighted to manage 30mph on the city centre sections of the M8!
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
It isn't in force yet, give 'em a chance :shrug:
Mate of mine recently did a speed awareness course, 24mph in a 20 zone.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
It isn't in force yet, give 'em a chance :shrug:
Granddaughter got done 25mph by St David’s College, lakeside
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
It’s Mark & Nicola actually, or are you just on first name terms with your kind?
?????Hughes??? you can't blame him for the state of the Welsh economy, his teams were ok?
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Mate of mine recently did a speed awareness course, 24mph in a 20 zone.
Yes great policy isn't it :hehe:
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Granddaughter got done 25mph by St David’s College, lakeside
Stupid handheld speed camera's are everywhere, Wait till 17th September and everyone is affected, hopefully, there is a big backlash.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Stupid handheld speed camera's are everywhere, Wait till 17th September and everyone is affected, hopefully, there is a big backlash.
I for one will be out protesting against the limits on the day with my placard "down with lockdowns"
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
I for one will be out protesting against the limits on the day with my placard "down with lockdowns"
:hehe:
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
I must admit, I thought the total would be going up much faster than it actually is. I've been checking, about 150 signatures a day is the average, which is not that much. Is it that people don't know about the petition, or that they don't care, or perhaps that they don't think it will make any difference what they vote?
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
tforturton
I must admit, I thought the total would be going up much faster than it actually is. I've been checking, about 150 signatures a day is the average, which is not that much. Is it that people don't know about the petition, or that they don't care, or perhaps that they don't think it will make any difference what they vote?
I thought it sounded like a daft policy if it was a blanket drop to 20mph from 30mph but it's only on selected roads.
Hardly make any difference.
Apart from to the old knobheads who like to complain about everything.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Presumably the point you are making is that 1966 was the year that the highest number of road fatalities in the UK was recorded and as a result of speed restrictions they are lower by a factor of 5 times?
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Presumably the point you are making is that 1966 was the year that the highest number of road fatalities in the UK was recorded and as a result of speed restrictions they are lower by a factor of 5 times?
No it actually it wasn’t ( more that fact that people complained of change even then) but I’m sure the speed limit alone wasn’t the only factor in those record numbers either , more likely drink driving , cars which were much less safer than today and the fact that in 1967 car ownership had increased almost 50% from the start of the 1960’s in addition to the two point seatbelt being introduced.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
No it actually it wasn’t ( more that fact that people complained of change even then) but I’m sure the speed limit alone wasn’t the only factor in those record numbers either , more likely drink driving , cars which were much less safer than today and the fact that in 1967 car ownership had increased almost 50% from the start of the 1960’s in addition to the two point seatbelt being introduced.
So in summary, an array of measures were introduced that people complained about that significantly improved road safety?
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cyril evans awaydays
So in summary, an array of measures were introduced that people complained about that significantly improved road safety?
I’m sure you can make your own conclusions.
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There's been a change of plan, according to ITV Wales...
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
When I went a speed awareness course, the only thing I learned was where theres no speed limit signs, and street lights are present.,the default speed limit is 30mph.
I presume now the default speed limit is 20 mph.
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Originally Posted by
dandywarhol
When I went a speed awareness course, the only thing I learned was where theres no speed limit signs, and street lights are present.,the default speed limit is 30mph.
I presume now the default speed limit is 20 mph.
Yes, unless signs say 30mph or other.
I have no issue with 20mph areas in residential areas, by schools during school time etc, but the default is now 20mph unless told otherwise.
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Originally Posted by
Harry Paget Flashman
I thought it sounded like a daft policy if it was a blanket drop to 20mph from 30mph but it's only on selected roads.
Hardly make any difference.
Apart from to the old knobheads who like to complain about everything.
**** off
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
tforturton
I must admit, I thought the total would be going up much faster than it actually is. I've been checking, about 150 signatures a day is the average, which is not that much. Is it that people don't know about the petition, or that they don't care, or perhaps that they don't think it will make any difference what they vote?
It will move faster after 17th when people have experienced it.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
Harry Paget Flashman
I thought it sounded like a daft policy if it was a blanket drop to 20mph from 30mph but it's only on selected roads.
Hardly make any difference.
Apart from to the old knobheads who like to complain about everything.
It's young knobheads with busy jobs mostly, the old knobheads love it it fills the day with their trip to Asda taking 30% longer!
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
63% in favour of it apparently.
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
63% in favour of it apparently.
90% or more against
Overall, 5,112 votes were received with 87 percent (4,464 people) answering “yes” compared with 12 percent (624 people) who said “no”. A further 24 people said they did not know.
Hundreds of comments were left below the accompanying article as readers shared their thoughts on the reduced speed limit.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...oll-result-spt
Since April, WalesOnline has been conducting its own poll, to find out what readers thought about the speed limit reduction. In response to the question, 'Do you support the default speed limit changing from 30mph to 20mph in Wales?' there were 825 yes votes, but more than ten times as many - 8,770 - for no. These results suggest that an overwhelming majority are against the change, but it is important to point out that the tool is not perfect as people are able to vote more than once.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...20mph-27430204
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Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Presumably the point you are making is that 1966 was the year that the highest number of road fatalities in the UK was recorded and as a result of speed restrictions they are lower by a factor of 5 times?
And the improved safety of cars has nothing to do with a lowering factor ?
IMO however is that 70 MPH is plenty fast enough.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
90% or more against
Overall, 5,112 votes were received with 87 percent (4,464 people) answering “yes” compared with 12 percent (624 people) who said “no”. A further 24 people said they did not know.
Hundreds of comments were left below the accompanying article as readers shared their thoughts on the reduced speed limit.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...oll-result-spt
Since April, WalesOnline has been conducting its own poll, to find out what readers thought about the speed limit reduction. In response to the question, 'Do you support the default speed limit changing from 30mph to 20mph in Wales?' there were 825 yes votes, but more than ten times as many - 8,770 - for no. These results suggest that an overwhelming majority are against the change, but it is important to point out that the tool is not perfect as people are able to vote more than once.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...20mph-27430204
I bet the overwhelming majority voting are motorists.
I bet if there was a vote of those in residential areas who dont drive including elderly and children then the result would look very different.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
I bet the overwhelming majority voting are motorists.
I bet if there was a vote of those in residential areas who dont drive including elderly and children then the result would look very different.
Yes and if they'd have asked the sheep they would have wanted no cars and more grass, and a ban on wellies, 90% are against it :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Yes and if they'd have asked the sheep they would have wanted no cars and more grass, and a ban on wellies, 90% are against it :thumbup:
63% in favour.👍