Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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JamesWales
It does sound as if you are starting to recognise the problematic nature of that chant. I of course recognise that context matters..I have always said that and it does depend who is saying what and how. But it does also matter who is saying what on the receiving end and I think this chant does represent the less savoury side of the marches that we are seeing.
Also, I don't think Hamas and the Israeli government can quite so easily both be labelled as extremist. One is democratic, one isn't. One will kill you for being a Jew, the other doesn't kill you for being an Arab. One is home to one of the great gay cities of the world (Tel Aviv) the other it's illegal for men to be gay.
So I don't think the two are the same, despite both obviously playing a role in escalating where we now are.
I do hope things calm a little in the next couple of weeks and I think less of this kind of thing and more of an emphasis on peace and aid will only help tbh.
As for Yma o Hyd, its a beautiful song but I do think the FAW are unwise to get overly attached to so political a figure.
James, I suggest you re-read my posts to see what my opinion on 'From the River...' is and the political motivations for its use by the majority of Pro Palestinian peace ptotestors in London.
I think I'm right in acknowledging that the 'slogan' can be viewed as both problematic and anti semitic/anti Arab when used by certain political groups, organisations or individuals.
I'll reaffirm my points that the slogan is being interpreted by different groups to legitimise and give credibility to their opinions, politics, beliefs, that's pro Palestinian and Pro Israeli by the way.
You've become concerned, outraged even, about woke lefties probably named Tamara and Tarquin, destabilising the peace process by marching around London sporting a shemagh each. How is the peace process doing this morning as a quick glimpse on a news website says a UN official is stating there is no actual safe place in the whole of Gaza.
As for not seeing the Israeli government as being extremist, I'll suggest their current policy of collective punishment on Gaza (which is construed as a war crime) supports my opinion they're as bad as Hamas.
Not sure why you've thrown 'gay rights' into the equation of a thread you started quite specifically? For me, we lost any credibility on that when the World Cup was hawked to Qatar and very little was said about their lack of equality. I'll wait for the great and the good to ramp up the support of 'gay rights' when the World Cup trots off to Saudi in 2034, or the next Tyson Fury fight is held in Saudi. Perhaps St. Pep of Catalonia can say something in support of gay rights or we can expect the Man City and Newcastle teams to sport rainbow t-shirts before a game at the Ethiad when playing a fixture?
As pointed out, no one will disagree with your point regarding gay civil rights in Gaza but you're swerving the original discussion and points. The discussion and points you've brought to the table butt.
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
I don't care how liberal and democratic people who support Israel think it is
I couldn't give a toss
Those are just words
Facts show that liberal and democratic Israel, our friends apparently , are bombing kids
If that's being liberal and democratic take us back to the caves
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't care how liberal and democratic people who support Israel think it is
I couldn't give a toss
Those are just words
Facts show that liberal and democratic Israel, our friends apparently , are bombing kids
If that's being liberal and democratic take us back to the caves
I think countries can be democratic and still abhorrent. Often it's due to the fact they have an abhorrent majority within their populace. Whether a country is democratic or not is irrelevant.
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
I think countries can be democratic and still abhorrent. Often it's due to the fact they have an abhorrent majority within their populace. Whether a country is democratic or not is irrelevant.
America has plenty of moronic rednecks
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...nd-or-deserts/
Seems like a reasonable suggestion?
In fairness Netanhayu has binned him for the moment.
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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Jordi Culé
What happened to "but Israel is only defending itself"?
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
What happened to "but Israel is only defending itself"?
Havent you had the call from the UN yet ?
Thought they would have recognised your peace negotiating skills by now.. surely, a man like yourself is wasted campaigning on here - you should be on the world stage where you can show case your abilities, reach for the stars and save the world...
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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Originally Posted by
pipster
Havent you had the call from the UN yet ?
Thought they would have recognised your peace negotiating skills by now.. surely, a man like yourself is wasted campaigning on here - you should be on the world stage where you can show case your abilities, reach for the stars and save the world...
This is part of your MO on here
It's a little odd
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
When it's too extreme even for
Netanyahu , you know he's flakey
Re: "From the river to the sea" chant
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
This is part of your MO on here
It's a little odd
He's so thick he has to babble like a baby.
