She has, without naming them. Sticking up for hard done by ‘football fans’. She means the EDL lads of course, not the likes of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
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She has, without naming them. Sticking up for hard done by ‘football fans’. She means the EDL lads of course, not the likes of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Why is saying that remembrance Sunday should be respected etc standing up for football hooligans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Perhaps you could point to the part in the article?
Honestly, do people just make this stuff up or really believe it?
An article of this nature might be considered "unhelpful" if it was penned by a backbencher or someone in the Conservative Party hierarchy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
But this came from the Home Secretary a day after her Prime Minister and the Head of the Met had reached an understanding. This was a deliberate "hand grenade" from someone who seems no longer interested in her obligations and cabinet responsibilities when set against her longer term political ambitions.
Seeking any sense from what she wrote other than her short term wish to undermine her PM and set herself up as the darling of the right wing of the Conservative Party is perhaps missing the point.
In in the article, mentions football fans complaining about treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yeah but she's not promoting the EDL or football hooligans, you've inferred that, rather bizarrely. Whatever else she is, she doesn't strike me as someone who would have a laissez faire approach to a bunch of lads in stone island chucking chairs about on the High Streets of Stoke or Burnley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
You don’t think? Who’s going to do her dirty work this weekend, Fulham?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://youtu.be/IBCYbZVoPR0?si=7wFnOuW2sLHozHdEQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
He's on the case
Well sort of as he's living in Thailand so he's sorry to let the side down as he's busy on his sun lounger
Here is Marriner showing his respect for the victims of the Second World War and Jewish Solidarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1060856.stm
Marriner was also seen boasting about a trip that he made with Frain to Auschwitz, and how he had reduced a Polish visitor to tears after climbing into one of the gas chambers.
It's touchingQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
National Front marching to the Cenotaph on Sunday.
https://northeastbylines.co.uk/natio...brance-sunday/
Why are you guys talking about some random blokes who have only been mentioned by yourselves and citing articles from nearly a quarter of a century ago, and using that as evidence of problems, yet silent on the Palestine Liberation Campaign in Manchester calling the terrorists freedom fighters:
"Palestinian freedom fighters from besieged Gaza broke Zionist colonial barriers and entered settlements built on stolen Palestinian land inside ‘48 Palestine.”
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs...chester-branch
Marriner posted his call to arms two days agoQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Downing Street has confirmed ss bravermans article in the Times was NOT cleared before publication
Ooops !
BBC News - Rishi Sunak did not clear Suella Braverman's attack on police over protestsQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67368785
She's an absolute fruit cake
God bless her
I didn’t believe it at first, but I do now - she’s trying to get the sack.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I am in two minds about herQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
She's a very un hinged and dangerous woman
But even moderate Tories are thinking this nutcase is slashing our vote !
Carry on or cash in ?
All the power of search engines at your disposal and the best you could come up with is the Palestine Solidarity (not Liberation) Campaign rightly suspending 4 executive members for their unacceptable portrayal of Hamas's murderous acts in Southern Israel as some kind of rationalisation of Braverman's self projecting and divisive acts?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
No that's just one example. There's multiple arrests, calls for Jihad, huge rises in hate crimes, vandalism, graffiti, antisemitism, homophobia, arrests for promotion of terrorism, smashed windows, red paint thrown at Jewish schools, security guards outside the same schools, elderly poppy sellers assaulted, graffiti scrawled on cenotaphs, mass xenophobia against Israel, ripping down posters etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Which you say nothing about. Then you post an article from a quarter of a century ago about a bloke no one has heard of in relation to something the home secretary didn't say and somehow that's similar.
Ive always said, the vast majority are peaceful and most no doubt do want peace, but not everyone there does, and calling it out more would only help the protests.
I just don't get why people would choose to ignore these things on our own streets that are making some of our own citizens fearful? This shit matters. It isn't good. How many more warnings do you need?
And in response an article from 23 years ago about some random football hooligan!!
Jeez, if you don't think calling out the hypocrisy of Marriner after Sludge posted his call to arms as worthy of comment given the proposed counter demonstration then perhaps Bob has a point when he talks about libertarians defining what is and isn't liberty.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I find most of the things you mention distasteful (not sure what you mean by mass Xenophobia against Israel) but despite your best efforts to parrot Braverman's views as these London marches being a mob with distasteful stickers and songs, it is nevertheless the case that they have been overwhelmingly peaceful. Rhetoric is running ahead of reality.
So 1 assault of a 78 year old poppy seller is your idea of society falling apartQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
There have always been tensions between a minority of people of Jewish and Arab descent in this country and its no surprise that at times of war this tension increases and sometimes boils over
Who are you in your white Palace to tell others that they are ignoring these incidents ?
Vandalism , graffiti.....same thing
Anti semitism , hate crimes , homophobia....same thing
Graffiti ...yep you have mentioned that
Xenophobia , hate crime .....yes James we have had that , you are repeating ad nauseum here , you are getting too excited
Are you looking for a job in journalism ? Specially a right wing newspaper ?
Because all your spouting is very very biased and I know I am not the only one who thinks so
I didn’t think you could get worse than Priti Patel, but this evil bitch is much worse.
It’s so weird how the two of them descend from immigrants, but hate immigrants.
Both shocking womenQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Both big Thatcher fans
There's a surprise
Talking of the police..
In Greenwich they recently determined a video that was circulating of a speech an Imams speech at a local mosque from 20 Oct (2 weeks after the massacre did NOT break hate crime laws.
His words:
Shakir prayed that Allah would grant “victory over the enemy,” asked his congregation to “curse the infidels”, “destroy their homes” and “purify Al Aqsa” of Jews.
How the hell does making a religious speech calling for the purification of a holy place of Jews? Absolute joke what is going on. How can people not see how scary this is for many people?
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/no-offe...london-mosque/
Come on now , out of the cellarQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Do you think it's a conspiracy against Israel ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The police have operational independence and this is vital to our democracy
Who said this less than 6 moths ago ?
No, of course not. I do suspect that the whole identity politics issue has tampered with some parts of policing and law enforcement though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Remember this case when people were arrested for chanting 'fk the jews, rape their daughters' whilst waving Palestinian flags from their cars. All charges were dropped. That's plainly, undeniably antisemitic so it does make me wonder what is considered such on the marches etc.
It's not right, is it? It may make people question whether everyone is treated the same?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ed-cars-london
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-F-Jews.html
If the crown prosecution service do not think there is a realistic chance of conviction then as in this case they advise the police not to press chargesQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Do you want the mob on the street to serve out justice ?
It was Suella Braverman by the way
You are missing my point. I'm saying, that if chanting '"fk the jews, rape their daughters'" is not chargeable, then it completely undermines what else is not deemed as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's plainly racist don't you think? Does it not worry you?
There’s nothing more vile than betraying your background to be other people’s useful idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
You saying her views should be entirely predetermined by things beyond her control like her skin colour? Surely they can think what they like can't they, or is that a luxury you would only afford to some?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
They need to prove that it was these guys who actually chanted these wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Not that these words are offensive
It's clearly a point of proof
You seem to be trawling the internet for this stuff
Nah it's in the news, although not what you probably readQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's mad the things you go apeshit over; Kay Burley asking a question - absolutely fuming.
Blokes driving around chanting 'fk the Jews and rape their daughters' and getting away with it..not so much!
Kay Burley was lying repeatedly on national TV and her employers had to apologiseQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I am important in my own head but I don't quite have the number of people she has who can be influenced by what I say
It's in the news and especially in the Jewish news which you seem to be obsessed with at the moment
This is two years ago , the police arrested 4 men and after consultation with the PCS they were released because there wasn't enough evidence for them to be charged
This happens
Stephen Lawrence murder being a prime example ......and far more serious as he was killed
You seem unhealthily obsessed with proving that there are anti Jewish people in this country
I agree with you on that and some of them should be locked up but that's up to the criminal justice system
I know .....write to the home secretary !
Good luck
This is the only link I could find when I searched the words you said, it says four people were arrested.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://www.timesofisrael.com/london...ughters-video/
Anecdotally there have been numerous similar incidents. Tomorrow is, to put it mildly, a special day in the calendar. You would have thought that organisers of this march/demonstration would have showed some understanding of this and just for this day chosen not to stage one. Shared values ? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Sunday is the special day and they're not marching then. The daily slaughter of innocent people probably led them to think no day is special enough to delay the plea for the slaughter to stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
It's this story here Bob. I have to say I think it's shocking video footage and that someone can be filmed and arrested shouting stuff like that and it not be taken to court is appalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
You start to see why people are fearful and why some people may question the police / CPS on this
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-F-Jews.html
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/british...its-core-task/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63707451
Shared values? Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Commemorating the end of hostilities and calling for the end of hostilities. But at a different time and in a different place.
People are marching to put pressure on politicians to save lives now - not next week!
It is clear that for some people Palestinian lives don't count. For some people there is no cynicism or hypocrisy that won't be employed to create a false incident of 'disrespect'. For some people there are no double standards that won't be wheeled out to try to slander or silence the movement for peace and justice in Palestine.
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and his stormtroopers are hitting the streets tomorrow in direct response to the fear mongering and rabble rousing of Braverman, Sunak and their echoes. He is circulating a photo on social media of him waving an Israeli flag next to an IDF tank in northern Israel - just to ensure we understand what his pathetic 'defence of the Cenotaph' is really all about!
Just as a side note - there have been many Palestine demonstrations around the country in the last month - not just in London. In Sheffield the rallies and marches have been every Saturday and usually one weekday too. For tomorrow the end of the march has been moved from the City Hall - next to the War Memorial - to the Town Hall. It wouldn't clash with any event at the War Memorial - but as in London the organisers (in this case the Trades Council) want to avoid any remote suggestion of 'disrespect'.
This is pretty pathetic. The language uttered was clearly a hate crime and was considered so by the police who charged the likely perpetrators. The CPS reviewed the evidence and found that it did not pass its test for a likely conviction. That is the job of the CPS and it happens every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
One of the articles says the Jewish Community understood the rationale for this even though they were appalled that no-one was brought to justice. Which bit of this is the police or the CPS showing favour in a way that say, you or the current Home Secretary would recognise?
I'm not sure there is anything pathetic in this thread tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
The point though is to try to highlight why many do feel scared and whether there is a pretty unpleasant element tagged onto /exploiting the protests.
When driving down the road shouting undeniably racist things like 'fk the jews, rape their daughters' doesn't get a conviction it does perhaps shed a light on whether or why other things that may worry people (river to the sea chants, calls for Jihad etc) aren't considered arrestable either.
It's not hard to see why some people are worried is it?