FT: HULL CITY 3 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

AT least three good streams posted...what's the problem? Although maybe you should not look...it will only depress you.....

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Originally Posted by City123

Siopis is a good player, but he needs someone next to him who will look to play forward otherwise the ball will keep coming back. Adams, Wintle, Rinomota are not that kind of player

Bulut is lumbered with the crap Morison signed unfortunately

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I think Siopis has already got frustrated. He has, in previous games, put in the effort to win the ball, then passes it to Wintle (or whoever) only to see the ball squared or passed back.

This is absolute dross....again...

Cannot see Robinson and Tanner making any difference at this stage.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

We are playing with two dogs in midfield - one who can only pass ten yards; the other can't pass at all. Both are card magnets.

Collins' return to form has stalled.

The forwards are lacking confidence and guile and shooting boots. Most of them are capable of better - but Bulut isn't getting it from them at the moment.

There are no leaders out there.

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We just looked scared lately.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Of course not but I’m sure Adams hasn’t been lauded the way Colwill has. What’s a number got to do with things? Good players make thing happen, Colwill, amongst others does so very rarely. His case has been put forward more than any other, he flatters to deceive unfortunately.

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What does his position have to do with things? Are you expecting him or Robinson to consistently collect the ball from the back 4 and create chances? It's essential to have a midfield that can actually provide the ball to our forward players with consistency otherwise we won't create anything, as we've seen over the past month. Just saying "good players make things happen" isn't an answer to our attacking problems, they're the same with Colwill or Robinson in that position.

We changed the way we played at the start of the season to have more defensive stability, that's vanishing as well now. We need to mix things up, they're incredibly stale

Is Colwill lauded? Some people rate him, some people don't. He gets far more shit than almost anyone else

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Originally Posted by jon1959

We are playing with two dogs in midfield - one who can only pass ten yards; the other can't pass at all. Both are card magnets.

Collins' return to form has stalled.

The forwards are lacking confidence and guile and shooting boots. Most of them are capable of better - but Bulut isn't getting it from them at the moment.

There are no leaders out there.

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Not one of our forwards is up to the job

I know I have been critical...but I believe Bulut is the right manager and needs at least two transfer windows to make his mark.

No one had played well today but Collins has been awful, which is surprising.

Also, Grant, Ugbo, Etete and Meite are SO frustrating to watch in that they constantly concede possession so easily. It must drive their team mates mad.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

I know I have been critical...but I believe Bulut is the right manager and needs at least two transfer windows to make his mark.

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Spot on. We are currently missing Ramsey and Ralls big time. 3 quality additions in January will help and also hopefully strengthen the overall squad

Hard to understand how we've got this bad after a promising run.

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

Hard to understand how we've got this bad after a promising run.

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It really is.

wow dreadfull today... piss poor

this is just a fitness training session, we need key players to do much better than this, and then add a few players in jan

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Originally Posted by bluesp

Spot on. We are currently missing Ramsey and Ralls big time. 3 quality additions in January will help and also hopefully strengthen the overall squad

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We need two in midfield and a holding forward and someone to score off him

None of our current forwards do either

I'd love to know who watched Ugbo play and thought he was good enough. Terrible player.

Don't see why we don't try Grant up front, he played there before and is hardly impacting the game from the wing. We're so rigid.

Sheff Wed picking up...another banana skin?

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Originally Posted by bluesp

Spot on. We are currently missing Ramsey and Ralls big time. 3 quality additions in January will help and also hopefully strengthen the overall squad

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Can it really be said the we are missing Ramsey when he has only appeared 6 times in 22 games (and was substituted each time)?
The default position is that he doesn't play by default, as it were.

Ends 3- 0 to Hull. Another awful performance from Cardiff. Can't pass, can't hold up the ball, can't score, can't defend. We're struggling.

Dire

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Originally Posted by City123

What does his position have to do with things? Are you expecting him or Robinson to consistently collect the ball from the back 4 and create chances? It's essential to have a midfield that can actually provide the ball to our forward players with consistency otherwise we won't create anything, as we've seen over the past month. Just saying "good players make things happen" isn't an answer to our attacking problems, they're the same with Colwill or Robinson in that position.

We changed the way we played at the start of the season to have more defensive stability, that's vanishing as well now. We need to mix things up, they're incredibly stale

Is Colwill lauded? Some people rate him, some people don't. He gets far more shit than almost anyone else

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Sorry, I don’t do no.10s, no.8s etc, they’re midfielders. Yes I do expect our supposed creative midfielders to make themselves available 100% of the time when our defenders are in possession. That’s they’re bloody job.

No point blaming individuals when everyone from one to eleven is poor. The team’s confidence is completely shot and we’re in a rut where it’s hard to see where the next point is coming from.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Can it really be said the we are missing Ramsey when he has only appeared 6 times in 22 games (and was substituted each time)?
The default position is that he doesn't play by default, as it were.

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Ramsey won't be making much impact on this team this season

In fact that might well be that

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Can it really be said the we are missing Ramsey when he has only appeared 6 times in 22 games (and was substituted each time)?
The default position is that he doesn't play by default, as it were.

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I think it can, a Rambo in the team makes it a better team ( even if it is just for 70 mins a game )

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

No point blaming individuals when everyone from one to eleven is poor. The team’s confidence is completely shot and we’re in a rut where it’s hard to see where the next point is coming from.

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5 points off the play offs

It really isn't all death and famine

Meanwhile elsewhere, Sheffield Wednesday have come back to win again and will now undoubtedly hammer us next Saturday.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

5 points off the play offs

It really isn't all death and famine

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The way we’ve played in the last month we may as well be twenty five points off them. The only saving graces from today are that we only lost 3-0 and that some of them raised their game a bit in the last half an hour when it could have got very bad.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

5 points off the play offs

It really isn't all death and famine

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That's literally the only crumb of comfort we have right now. Defensively we're shot. We've barely created a really good chance in open play in a couple of months. Confidence is low. But no problems, we're 5 points from the playoffs and all will be great again soon.....

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Sorry, I don’t do no.10s, no.8s etc, they’re midfielders. Yes I do expect our supposed creative midfielders to make themselves available 100% of the time when our defenders are in possession. That’s they’re bloody job.

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He's playing in behind the striker so no it's not his job to pick the ball up from the defenders. The setup is that he should be receiving the ball from the holding midfielders, not dropping back 30 yards and isolating the striker

Thing is he (and Robinson and Ramsey) have had to make themselves available for the ball from the defenders all season because of the lack of passing ability in our midfield. Like I said that's fine when Ramsey does it due to his quality, Robinson and Colwill aren't anywhere near his standard (obviously) and can't pick the ball up in the right back position and create something the way he can.

Everything has gone flat in that team and it's not down to one individual, none of them are playing well. What's annoying is that we seemingly refuse to mix things up, it's like for like changes and seems as though we're just waiting for January

...and I still don't get why Wales Onlne is HULL based....with it's pictures....news...commentary etc...

What we need to do is bypass the crap midfield and play it long. Bulut needs a plan b,c and d. Instead of the same rubbish tactics he,s trying to play. Oof it up the park and get the team to the halfway line.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

5 points off the play offs

It really isn't all death and famine

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Agreed but did you enjoy the football that was served up?

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

...and I still don't get why Wales Onlne is HULL based....with it's pictures....news...commentary etc...

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Are you on Hull Live?

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/spor...f-live-8979594

Same company run the local newspaper sites so they all look similar and are full of the same shite clickbait.

Or WalesOnline are using the data from their sister paper

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

What we need to do is bypass the crap midfield and play it long. Bulut needs a plan b,c and d. Instead of the same rubbish tactics he,s trying to play. Oof it up the park and get the team to the halfway line.

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Exactly, two out of three of Hull's goals were from playing it long. As much as I appreciate what Bullut has done for the club so far this season, we have got to stop this passing around at the back, making it as far as midfield, or halfway into the opposition half and then losing it, time after time after time.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I think it can, a Rambo in the team makes it a better team ( even if it is just for 70 mins a game )

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We are missing someone who normally doesn't play then.

You look at that starting 11 today and to be fair it’s not a very good team is it. We knew the squad was thin but when we have injuries we need players to step up, they haven’t and even the better likes like Siopis, Collins etc are playing below par.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

AT least three good streams posted...what's the problem? Although maybe you should not look...it will only depress you.....

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Ramsey won't be making much impact on this team this season

In fact that might well be that

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Sadly, I think you might be right.

Weren't we told not so long ago that Ramsey was likely to return before O'Dowda?
Now we're hearing Ramsey isn't likely to return until some time after the middle of next month.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Sadly, I think you might be right.

Weren't we told not so long ago that Ramsey was likely to return before O'Dowda?
Now we're hearing Ramsey isn't likely to return until some time after the middle of next month.

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Much as I admire him....It's as I feared before the season.....and was shot down a bit for suggesting that I hoped he was on an appearance/availability contract.

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Originally Posted by City123

So we should accept a poor performance from some players? Our midfield are terrified of passing the ball forward, how is the number 10 meant to perform with that?

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Maybe he's the reason they're afraid to pass forward. He's capable of brilliance, but more often than not he'll lose the ball. The more I see of him, the more one-dimensional of a player I think he is. He's clearly not interested in defending. He just wants to get the ball and make something happen.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

...... He's clearly not interested in defending. He just wants to get the ball and make something happen.

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yes...but he rarely does....as I said he's what 21/22 now? There are players younger than him tearing up the PL...and even in the Championship are much more productive. Sadly I don't think he's going to make even at this level....he is too laid back.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Maybe he's the reason they're afraid to pass forward. He's capable of brilliance, but more often than not he'll lose the ball. The more I see of him, the more one-dimensional of a player I think he is. He's clearly not interested in defending. He just wants to get the ball and make something happen.

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Yeah, maybe this is why we don't like passing to any of our other players too, so we just pass to the opposition to save time.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

That's literally the only crumb of comfort we have right now. Defensively we're shot. We've barely created a really good chance in open play in a couple of months. Confidence is low. But no problems, we're 5 points from the playoffs and all will be great again soon.....

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I dread to think what your life would be like if we were back in division 4

Collins, Siopsis, Ugbo, Meite and Grant were really poor but Colwell gets the most comments

Colwell is like a classy outside half, behind a dominant pack he'll tear you apart but on the back foot he looks a liability.

Everyone has the template on how to beat Cardiff, the manager needs to show he is as good as the talk and change that....