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Dafuq are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's the truth. These articles are five years apart. The fact that you get more animated by someobne raising the issue than the issue itself rather demonstrates the point tbh.
It's absolutely shameful how this country looked and continues to look the other way
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2007649.html
https://www.itv.com/news/2017-08-10/...abuse-concerns
That's terrible aswell, if guilty they should be executed but i'm not sure what that has to do with immigration? You're engaging in pure "whataboutery" and it's actually shockingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Grooming gangs are massively over represented in certain immigrant communities and their victims are almost exclusively White girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
Who are you to decide who takes a break from here?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Feck off linking anyone on here with those who deny the existence of grooming gangs whatever their raceQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You watch yourself sunshine
You cowardQuote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
I decide wtf I like if accused of pandering to the gangs of whatever race who rape young girlsQuote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
Piss off with your bullshit
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/...muslim-problemQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Suck on that you Tommy Robinson wannabee
Pritti Patel was furious that this report , by her own civil servants , didn't prove her own ignorant ramblings
Oops
Home Office or you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
Who is right ?
I'm not clicking your link but if it's the report i'm thinking, it doesn't consider "per capita" offenders as i remember. It's yet ANOTHER attempt by the establishment to ignore grooming gangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And you're in NO position to drive people off this board, so don't start all that caper.
I read this this morning. One of the worst academic papers I have read. Very light on facts, very heavy on rhetoric, mainly accusing everyone of being racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Obviously it was published in the guardian in 2020 at the height of period of madness so that it's readers could put off their reality pills for a little longer.
No one is saying that anyone from any group is more or less likely to be a paedophile than any other. That would be false and likely very racist esp if applied to anyone from a particular group.
But that's not what is being said. These crimes DID happen. What happened/happens is that groups have used power for protection. In the past thiz may have been the catholic Church using silence, fear, political power etc. In recent years a small minority have used the power of accusations of racism, ably supported by useful idiots to rape kids. Just as no one ever said all Catholics are abusers no one is saying anything similar here. But there is a connection.
As I say, I think it's pretty shameful at the UKs ability to overlook this.
Go away you daft racistQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Go away you daft racistQuote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
Daily Mail Idiot
Good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's trueQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You have made a ridiculous claim straight out of the daily mail book of nonsense about grooming gangs and said people are afraid to talk about it or brush it away because of political correctness or woke or whatever you call it these days
The report funded by the Home Office pouring cold water on your rubbish is then said by you to be incorrect because it puts you straight
You are a complete fool and an ignorant one at that
I am happy to contribute to you naffing off for another period in exile
You read this article this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As an experienced analyst of academic papers .....yeah OK....its one of the worst you have ever read ! ......honestly I believe you , I really do
As for saying NOBODY is saying that someone from any race or ethnic group is more likely to be a child abuser than someone from another ethnic group ........that's EXACTLY what YOU are saying
Laughable nonsense
How many girls are estimated to be victims of grooming gangs in the UK ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
What was the modus operandi of these grooming gangs ?
What was the gender and ethnic background of these grooming gangs ? - are they linked ?
The answer to your question is in the reportQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
The answer to the question is grooming of young girls and ethnicity linked ?
No , not according to the home office report
Unless your name is JamesWales which then leads to the report being politically correct woke rubbish and one of the worst reports , he , as a distinguished academic who isn't distinguished or academic at all , has ever read in his 60 years of not knowing what's he's talking about
So it's no
Unless you are a jellyhead
All fair and relevant questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
https://www.iambirmingham.co.uk/2023...t-mids-police/
My humble opinion being whatever the ethnicity they're all cuunts.
So true :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
As is often the case Sludge, you are wrong, but you are wrong with confidence which is one of the most dangerous forms of wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The Home Office report says it's inconclusive, partly becuse of poor reporting (why?) Plenty of reports cite otherwise. It says this:
*“some studies suggest an over-representation of black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations”, but it was not possible “to conclude that this is representative of all group-based child sexual exploitation offending”. Funny the things the academics chose not to talk about eh.
The academic paper that you seem to be treating as gospel (and yes it's fking awful and yes I've read dozens upon dozens of academic papers) picks up on a nugget of information and presents it to paint what they want to be. The guardian (obviously) promotes their position but all they ar doing is ignoring data and calling everyone racist
Which is what you do, and part of the problem because it prevented patterns and pictures coming forward. Imagine a victim coming up against you when making a complaint. This is exactly the problem.
This is the report:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...s-of-offending
It doesnt make the conclusions you state. Instead it refers to three other reviews two of which are more than a decade old and one of what they say, for example studies showed 30% white 28% Asian perpetrators. So more white, but hugely disproportionately Asian. Thats all on page 26.
Here's some more reports on it for you to ignore. And thanks for so ably demonstrating the ability to look the other way when it's inconvenient.
Absolutely no one (except in your head) is saying any race is more likely to commit these crimes. Paedophiles exist across all sectors of society unfortunately. What people are saying is that those in certain groups could exploit the kind of behaviours you are displaying to get away with it more easily
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2478657.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2007649.html
The report doesn't count offenders on a "per capita" basis. When you do count per capita offenders, Muslims and non Whites are over represented in grooming gangs because they are still a minority in our overall population. Your links are terrible, you don't even read them fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Facts are important.
Your last line is of course correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
But the issue being run with by the barking road nutters is are Asian men more likely to abuse children than white men
And the answer to that is no
The home office report is wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Jameswales , early forties , race equality expert and part time behavioural psychiatrist, is on ccmb is right
The Guardian ....is wrong
James Wales , 2024, In his bedroom
Paedophiles exist in all sectors of society ? Wow , earth shattering stuff
You should write a book
I don't think there is really any doubt that there were widespread failings and that local structures and politics impacted investigations. It directly hurt a lot of people and weakened trust.
I do however have an issue with conveniently attaching crimes committed by somebody of a race/religion to other people of that race/religion. Extending that further, I can't find a legitimate reason to directly attach it to the topic of migration when I can't find clear evidence to suggest how many of the members of these grooming gangs were born in the UK/recent migrants. Also a lot of the crimes bundled in this were committed so long ago and attitudes and values in minority communities do tend to change over time.
Individuals should be held to account for crimes they have committed, I wouldn't expect to be judged because of a crime committed by someone who looked like me.
Again I think it's surprising a right wing goon on ccmb agrees with another right wing goon on ccmb and comes to the same conclusion as Britain FirstQuote:
Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927
Honestly you have been dancing around the I am not a racist but ....tree for a long time on here
My mother was a CatholicQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Her brother , my uncle , was Catholic
So somewhere along the line the dail mailey types can prove that his sort are more likely to be involved in child abuse than protestants or Jews
Or in some cases have more thoughts and behaviours that might lead to him or others from his mob to be criminal abusers of children
Or maybe no link whatsoever
I think this is the issue here. No one is saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
There are good and bad cultural differences between groups, of course there is but no one is saying any group is more predisposed to wanting to groom kids or get power and sexual gratification from it.
I repeat, no one is saying that.
What people are saying is that people in certain groups could exploit people's fears of being considered racist as a means to get away with it.
The anger here is obviously at those commiting the offences, but it's also at those in power who look the other way.
This is a good watch - from the journalist that broke the story of grooming gangs which were operating in many cities in the UK, using the same methods, and all had things in common, an uncomfortable truth indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrUiHB5qJJ0
News night did an interesting report on the forthcoming electionQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
They predicted a small majority for starmer or a coalition with others
Considering the absolute battering that Labour got at the last election that would do just fine
I think the labour lead is ridiculously high and not a realistic view of what's going to happen
The way you have been parading around the place like a carnival queen that's fresh out the closet - I thought you had already won the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY