Evidence of Extraterrestrial Life could be revealed within the next month

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Originally Posted by jon1959

The Ranters were one of the most interesting groups in the English Civil War. I imagine Sludge would also have a soft spot for Abiezer Coppe (a Parliamentary Army preacher and Ranter) and his followers. It was the Levellers and the Diggers for me.

https://spartacus-educational.com/Ranters.htm

Lawrence Clarkson (also a Parliamentary Army preacher, and Leveller like 'Honest John Lilburne and the Overtons) and Coope:

Coppe asserted that property was theft and pride worse than adultery: "I can kiss and hug ladies and love my neighbour's wife as myself without sin." ... Coppe and Clarkson both advocated "free love" ... Coppe and Clarkson professed that "sin had its conception only in imagination" and told their followers that they "might swear, drink, smoke and have sex with impunity" ... One slogan used by the Ranters included: "There's no heaven but women, nor no hell save marriage."

A. L. Morton, the author of The World of the Ranters: Religious Radicalism in the English Revolution (1979) has argued that the Ranters were on "the extreme left wing of the sects" that had "a strong appeal to many Englishmen of the lower orders". He claims that it was mainly an urban movement that drew its support from "wage earners and small producers".

'Rant on'! :thumbup:

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Why wouldn't such hedonistic behaviour appeal to all who think the fear of the Lord is foolishness?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Your reaction to such things is inconsistent? Wanting to put a distance between yourself and a Christian?
Why would you want to dodge the subject of God, who isn't (in your sphere of understanding) actually there?

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He spends enough time ranting on that there isn’t one. All a bit odd.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

He spends enough time ranting on that there isn’t one. All a bit odd.

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Get off that fence you soppy tart

Back to the main thrust of the thread: would evidence of intelligent alien life change some people's perception of God?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Back to the main thrust of the thread: would evidence of intelligent alien life change some people's perception of God?

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For people like Sludge, probably not, as he's desperate for there to be no God. I get that.

It's interesting that back in the 1990's, two leading UFO reseachers (one in Europe and one in the USA) looked at the current evidence including images, videos and the testimonies of thousands of individuals, and both came to the same conclusion, that the majority of genuine testimonies and images were angelic in origin. It should also be noted that both these guys were agnostics and had no particular interest in validating the Bible.
Those who are familiar with the Bible will remember how fallen angels got involved in human affairs the last time the world was threatened (by God) with global extinction, which led to the appearance nephilim; Goliath was one example of these giant human-like creations.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

For people like Sludge, probably not, as he's desperate for there to be no God. I get that.

It's interesting that back in the 1990's, two leading UFO reseachers (one in Europe and one in the USA) looked at the current evidence including images, videos and the testimonies of thousands of individuals, and both came to the same conclusion, that the majority of genuine testimonies and images were angelic in origin. It should also be noted that both these guys were agnostics and had no particular interest in validating the Bible.
Those who are familiar with the Bible will remember how fallen angels got involved in human affairs the last time the world was threatened (by God) with global extinction, which led to the appearance nephilim; Goliath was one example of these giant human-like creations.

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I am desperate for you lot to be jettisoned into the atmosphere and for us to live in 2024


You and your ilk just refer to a 2500 year old book and when you are asked a direct book you simply say something like ....well in Jon chapter whatever , jesus said etc etc

Ad nauseum

No evidence , nada , nothing

On and on

No wonder Dawkins had to sometimes just get up and walk away

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

For people like Sludge, probably not, as he's desperate for there to be no God. I get that.

It's interesting that back in the 1990's, two leading UFO reseachers (one in Europe and one in the USA) looked at the current evidence including images, videos and the testimonies of thousands of individuals, and both came to the same conclusion, that the majority of genuine testimonies and images were angelic in origin. It should also be noted that both these guys were agnostics and had no particular interest in validating the Bible.
Those who are familiar with the Bible will remember how fallen angels got involved in human affairs the last time the world was threatened (by God) with global extinction, which led to the appearance nephilim; Goliath was one example of these giant human-like creations.

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Angelic? I'm not so sure of that. More like natural phenomena or human technology. I agree not alien.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Angelic? I'm not so sure of that. More like natural phenomena or human technology. I agree not alien.

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Angelic , Alien , Fairies , Pixies

All nonsense

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I am desperate for you lot to be jettisoned into the atmosphere and for us to live in 2024


You and your ilk just refer to a 2500 year old book and when you are asked a direct book you simply say something like ....well in Jon chapter whatever , jesus said etc etc

Ad nauseum

No evidence , nada , nothing

On and on

No wonder Dawkins had to sometimes just get up and walk away

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There is plenty of good scientific evidence for people unlike yourself who are open minded and less fearful.

For any open minded individuals >> Dawkins Left Literally SPEECHLESS by John Lennox.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

There is plenty of good scientific evidence for people unlike yourself who are open minded and less fearful.

For any open minded individuals >> Dawkins Left Literally SPEECHLESS by John Lennox.

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What a load of bollocks

This is one I sadly wasted time on before

Dawkins is ended before he can get started and the show is presented by a deranged Christian

Dawkins asks for evidence......and is provided eventually with hearsay.......nothing different here

The fundamental question scientists ask of your lot is ......provide evidence I the here and now

You talk to God ?

He's all powerful ?

All of u ......ask him to provide us with evidence he exists here , now , in 2024

A magic trick , miracle , appear in human form , use the Internet......he's cleverer than us all isn't he ?

No referrals to old books or what someone said to someone else ...

That might convince the weak and vulnerable

But not anyone with half a brain

A scientist who believes in God is not a provider of evidence if all he does is repeat what's been said before

I can say I am the fastest runner or strongest man in the world

But it's not true because I can't provide any evidence

This video is impotent

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

This is the eternal battle within evolution. The battle of the human psyche between the self and the universal. It's not surprising it throws up blips from time to time.

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I'm sure the families whose children have been killed in all the current armed conflicts will be comforted to know that they only died because of a blip in human evolution. Another step in the descent of man as opposed to the ascent methinks.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I'm sure the families whose children have been killed in all the current armed conflicts will be comforted to know that they only died because of a blip in human evolution. Another step in the descent of man as opposed to the ascent methinks.

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No I'm not so sure they'll be comforted by it at all but thems the breaks

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I'm sure the families whose children have been killed in all the current armed conflicts will be comforted to know that they only died because of a blip in human evolution. Another step in the descent of man as opposed to the ascent methinks.

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God is all present , all powerful

Your mate should stop these conflicts

How can someone with all this power and influence do nothing ?

He may as well not exist mmmmmm

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

God is all present , all powerful

Your mate should stop these conflicts

How can someone with all this power and influence do nothing ?

He may as well not exist mmmmmm

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So true

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Originally Posted by jeepster

So true

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Cant be answered by them

God is great , powerful , saves lives , pray and he will do great things

Prove this happens please ....

They go off on something else or quote John chapter 36 verse 3 etc etc

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

No I'm not so sure they'll be comforted by it at all but thems the breaks

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I can't believe you wrote that. :frown:

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I can't believe you wrote that. :frown:

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I'm borrowing from Boris Johnson

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Cant be answered by them

God is great , powerful , saves lives , pray and he will do great things

Prove this happens please ....

They go off on something else or quote John chapter 36 verse 3 etc etc

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Sums you up, John only has 21 chapters.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

God is all present , all powerful

Your mate should stop these conflicts

How can someone with all this power and influence do nothing ?

He may as well not exist mmmmmm

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He's done it, but you are so busy trying to prove He doesn't exist you've missed it and will continue to do so until you calmly think things through.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Cant be answered by them

God is great , powerful , saves lives , pray and he will do great things

Prove this happens please ....

They go off on something else or quote John chapter 36 verse 3 etc etc

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Now then heretic, how come you don't know John only has 21 chapters?

It is almost as if you don't spend 25 hours a day indoctrinating yourself with a dead book of myths and fables.

And then spewing out out like an incontinent ranter (:thumbup:) on a football messageboard.

Shame on you!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Now then heretic, how come you don't know John only has 21 chapters?

It is almost as if you don't spend 25 hours a day indoctrinating yourself with a dead book of myths and fables.

And then spewing out out like an incontinent ranter (:thumbup:) on a football messageboard.

Shame on you!

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Indoctrinating yourselves, spot on.
It's time you examined your chosen foundation.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Now then heretic, how come you don't know John only has 21 chapters?

It is almost as if you don't spend 25 hours a day indoctrinating yourself with a dead book of myths and fables.

And then spewing out out like an incontinent ranter (:thumbup:) on a football messageboard.

Shame on you!

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I can live with that !

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I can live with that !

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A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion (Proverbs 18:2).

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion (Proverbs 18:2).

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Is that more bible stuff ?

Lovely

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Is that more bible stuff ?

Lovely

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Something called Google will be available from September 4, 1998; then such complicated mysteries will be solved instantly.