Riza sacked. Aaron Ramsey takes charge

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I think you've got the wrong club. Watching Cardiff City has been very dull in recent seasons.

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On the pitch its been absolute drek, off the pitch its been like an avant garde piece of performance art.

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Originally Posted by City123

Feels a little harsh, he didn't make that many and they were all on the cheap. He was having to compensate for the massive overspending seen under Ole

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17 not that many?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...7-16013606.amp

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

I don’t think Manga was

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You’re right, he signed at the end of Ole’s time here didn’t he.

Semi Ajayi should have made us a lot of money and we did make a big profit on Zohore who was a great signing for a year or so.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I'm not entirely sure why Purse gets stick either. I think the 'other board' had an agenda against him, because the U21s went through a really lean time under Purse's leadership in the early days.

For a while I was non-plussed about Purse as a player. However, two incidents stood out in my mind which eventually endeared him to me.

The first was a game at Ninian Park, during which nothing was going right for him, he was playing as if his laces had been tied together.
Suddenly, we were awarded a penalty... Purse sprinted 40-50 yards, grabbed the ball and scored!
A lesser person would have shyed away from the responsibility. I think (I might be wrong) we won the game as a result of the penalty?

The second incident that got me liking him was when a rather overzealous referee instructed Purse to remove his wedding ring moments before kick-off. Even though the ring was taped up, the ref wasn't having it. Purse chose not to play, rather than take off his wedding ring. A man of true values and priorities in my opinion. I seem to recall he had the support of Dave Jones at that time.

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My favourite. Leeds away. Purse was injured and in the crowd with us. Gabor made a mistake and someone shouted something like, you’re useless Purse. At this point Purse stands up & says I’m not even on the pitch & I still get the blame.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

17 not that many?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...7-16013606.amp

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17 over 2 years with quite a few loans feels pretty standard?

Ole made 13 in one summer on top of 7 in January

Malone, Peltier, Immers probably better than most of the crap we've signed since? Plus the profit we made on Zohore, think it's harsh to be honest.

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Originally Posted by LA Bluebird

Malone, Peltier, Immers probably better than most of the crap we've signed since? Plus the profit we made on Zohore, think it's harsh to be honest.

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Nah, only Peltier out of those three. Excellent professional who knew his limitations.

It's good news for Riza's CV.

Shame the club didn’t sort out some sort of deal to boost the crowd for Oxford game, bank holiday and all that…new manager….maybe a half price thing….oh wait…:shrug:

I like this dice roll. Fingers crossed

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Nah, only Peltier out of those three. Excellent professional who knew his limitations.

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Malone played 22 games in the Prem and over 100 in the Championship after he left us. How many players we have signed in the last few years will be able to say the same, I wonder. Or for that matter, we will sell on for a decent profit like Zohore.

Is this going to be an old-fashioned player-manager situation?

Liked the way Ramsey spoke in his 1st interview.
Confident and controlled. Hope it will be similar after Oxford game.

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Originally Posted by jimmyscoular

Is this going to be an old-fashioned player-manager situation?

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Think its fair to say that is unlikely given Ramseys injury.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Why wouldn’t you?

Slades signings were probably the worst the club has seen.

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I'm sorry, that's just untrue. He also signed Immers, Tony Watt, Peltier, Malone, Lawrence and he was doing it with a massively reduced budget

If you want bad signings, look at this summer or the moron before Slade

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Nah, only Peltier out of those three. Excellent professional who knew his limitations.

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Malone was a Premier League footballer after we signed him and got into the Championship team of the season, the season we sold him. Immers was fantastic under Slade, too. Tony Watt was a hit and would have stayed had it not been for another transfer embargo.

Ramsey came back to Cardiff knowing one day he would put his foot on the managerial ladder, if he hung around long enough. He's been eyeing the job since he signed. Makes you think what affect having a player with his eye on the top job has on the rest of the squad.

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

Ramsey came back to Cardiff knowing one day he would put his foot on the managerial ladder, if he hung around long enough. He's been eyeing the job since he signed. Makes you think what affect having a player with his eye on the top job has on the rest of the squad.

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He's trained with the squad about 5 times this season, so not much :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

He's trained with the squad about 5 times this season, so not much :hehe:

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Which gives him more time for his cunning plan. We all love Ramsey but he's done very little this season but ends up manager.

Two thoughts with this - I can't be bothered to read through all of the pages, so apologies if I repeat anyone else.

1) I thought Ramsey had been helping to advise Riza? If Riza has been taking on board Ramsey's advice, then I can't see much happening that we haven't seen so far.

2) If Riza was a disappointing appointment due to his lack of experience as a manager, then the same surely applies to Ramsey, or is he acceptable because of his playing career?

These might sound like I'm having a downer on Ramsey but that's simply not true. Let's hope things work out. Even if we go down, which I still think is as likely as it was yesterday, these 3 games should have no bearing on Ramsey's future as a manager, either way - if we stay up or go down. He's dealing with a poisoned chalice.

Great stuff, maybe a game or 2 late, but its a throw of the dice and we have nothing to lose

Well Chuffed for Rallsy, 400 games for us and now this :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I'm not entirely sure why Purse gets stick either. I think the 'other board' had an agenda against him, because the U21s went through a really lean time under Purse's leadership in the early days.

For a while I was non-plussed about Purse as a player. However, two incidents stood out in my mind which eventually endeared him to me.

The first was a game at Ninian Park, during which nothing was going right for him, he was playing as if his laces had been tied together.
Suddenly, we were awarded a penalty... Purse sprinted 40-50 yards, grabbed the ball and scored!
A lesser person would have shyed away from the responsibility. I think (I might be wrong) we won the game as a result of the penalty?

The second incident that got me liking him was when a rather overzealous referee instructed Purse to remove his wedding ring moments before kick-off. Even though the ring was taped up, the ref wasn't having it. Purse chose not to play, rather than take off his wedding ring. A man of true values and priorities in my opinion. I seem to recall he had the support of Dave Jones at that time.

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Purse is a nice bloke, met him a few times, he loves what he does and is passionate about it, was decent enough with the U21's

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Two thoughts with this - I can't be bothered to read through all of the pages, so apologies if I repeat anyone else.

1) I thought Ramsey had been helping to advise Riza? If Riza has been taking on board Ramsey's advice, then I can't see much happening that we haven't seen so far.

2) If Riza was a disappointing appointment due to his lack of experience as a manager, then the same surely applies to Ramsey, or is he acceptable because of his playing career?

These might sound like I'm having a downer on Ramsey but that's simply not true. Let's hope things work out. Even if we go down, which I still think is as likely as it was yesterday, these 3 games should have no bearing on Ramsey's future as a manager, either way - if we stay up or go down. He's dealing with a poisoned chalice.

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Given the tim8ng of the appointment (two days before the third last game of the season): it was always going to be an appointment from within and, given the options available, Ramsey seems the best choice to me. We’re looking at things from the outside, so don’t know what relationships between staff and players had got like, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were pretty bad. Therefore my guess would be that Ramsey would be the candidate most likely to bring about a degree of unity solely because of a respect for what he’s done in the game - there’s the old line of “show us your medals” which gets fired at managers with limited playing experience, well, apart from maybe Craig Bellamy, Ramsey can do so more than any recent City player.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Given the tim8ng of the appointment (two days before the third last game of the season): it was always going to be an appointment from within and, given the options available, Ramsey seems the best choice to me. We’re looking at things from the outside, so don’t know what relationships between staff and players had got like, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were pretty bad. Therefore my guess would be that Ramsey would be the candidate most likely to bring about a degree of unity solely because of a respect for what he’s done in the game - there’s the old line of “show us your medals” which gets fired at managers with limited playing experience, well, apart from maybe Craig Bellamy, Ramsey can do so more than any recent City player.

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If Ramsey is going to take the job up full time at the end of the season, I wouldn’t rule out him bringing in an experienced number 2 alongside him and Gunter

Let’s be realistic about this, it’s more likely to happen with Rambo at the helm than anyone else

Rambo is a highly decorated player who is probably the best midfielder Wales have ever had
He will have lots of contacts and pull

This is the best news of the season and whilst I think it should have happened sooner, it’s still probably our only chance of staying up

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Originally Posted by olderblue

If Ramsey is going to take the job up full time at the end of the season, I wouldn’t rule out him bringing in an experienced number 2 alongside him and Gunter

Let’s be realistic about this, it’s more likely to happen with Rambo at the helm than anyone else

Rambo is a highly decorated player who is probably the best midfielder Wales have ever had
He will have lots of contacts and pull

This is the best news of the season and whilst I think it should have happened sooner, it’s still probably our only chance of staying up

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Gotta be honest, if Ramsey is looking to make a career of management and I was his agent, I'd be advising him to turn down any offer of the Cardiff job for any longer than these three games unless there was an imminent change of ownership in the offing.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Gotta be honest, if Ramsey is looking to make a career of management and I was his agent, I'd be advising him to turn down any offer of the Cardiff job for any longer than these three games unless there was an imminent change of ownership in the offing.

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Agreed.

That got me thinking - what sort of manager would take over next season? Someone wanting to start a career, like Ramsey, would be advised to give it a wide birth. Realistically, it would suit someone whose career wouldn't take too much of a hit.

An old experienced manager, who could walk away without damaging their reputation?

Someone with no experience from a lower league having a punt at something above their station - no real risk and plenty of reward on the off chance it goes well?.

An unspectacular Championship/L1 journeyman - again little to damage their reputation, put it down as a one off?

Otherwise the job has the potential to damage the career of someone aiming high as a manager.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Given the tim8ng of the appointment (two days before the third last game of the season): it was always going to be an appointment from within and, given the options available, Ramsey seems the best choice to me. We’re looking at things from the outside, so don’t know what relationships between staff and players had got like, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were pretty bad. Therefore my guess would be that Ramsey would be the candidate most likely to bring about a degree of unity solely because of a respect for what he’s done in the game - there’s the old line of “show us your medals” which gets fired at managers with limited playing experience, well, apart from maybe Craig Bellamy, Ramsey can do so more than any recent City player.

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We're looking at the shortest 'new manager bounce' in football history. I agree that probably it's his presence in the dressing room and on the training ground that will be the positives for the next 3 games rather than anything radical tactic-wise. His team selection will be interesting to say the least !

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

We're looking at the shortest 'new manager bounce' in football history. I agree that probably it's his presence in the dressing room and on the training ground that will be the positives for the next 3 games rather than anything radical tactic-wise. His team selection will be interesting to say the least !

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Probably a much more positive atmosphere in the stadium too. Those things together could make a big difference.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

probably it's his presence in the dressing room and on the training ground that will be the positives

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Well those 'positives" appear to have made zero impact as a player over two seasons so let's hope they suddenly become very clear in 3 games as a manager

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Originally Posted by olderblue

If Ramsey is going to take the job up full time at the end of the season, I wouldn’t rule out him bringing in an experienced number 2 alongside him and Gunter

Let’s be realistic about this, it’s more likely to happen with Rambo at the helm than anyone else

Rambo is a highly decorated player who is probably the best midfielder Wales have ever had
He will have lots of contacts and pull

This is the best news of the season and whilst I think it should have happened sooner, it’s still probably our only chance of staying up

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He could have all the contacts and the individual excellence he likes, doesn’t mean this will work out in the slightest.

Not sure I can imagine Ramsey able to gee up the players when the chips are down

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

Ramsey came back to Cardiff knowing one day he would put his foot on the managerial ladder, if he hung around long enough. He's been eyeing the job since he signed. Makes you think what affect having a player with his eye on the top job has on the rest of the squad.

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Stuff like this makes it easy to defend Riza for his "clueless" comments

Dust has settled and a few hours to digest and reflect.

I wish the Ramsey-Ralls-Gunter team all the very best for the coming 3 matches, and I’m sure the crowds will back them all the way in the stadium.

In other respects, doesn’t this situation just sum up the shit-show that is Cardiff City.

The hierarchy are either too busy with other commitments to deal with club matters in a timely manner, or they have zero confidence in their ability to make a suitable football-related decision.

Tan, Dalman and Choo are to blame for this club’s slow death spiral, and I will never forgive them for that.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

If Ramsey is going to take the job up full time at the end of the season, I wouldn’t rule out him bringing in an experienced number 2 alongside him and Gunter

Let’s be realistic about this, it’s more likely to happen with Rambo at the helm than anyone else

Rambo is a highly decorated player who is probably the best midfielder Wales have ever had
He will have lots of contacts and pull

This is the best news of the season and whilst I think it should have happened sooner, it’s still probably our only chance of staying up

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Jumping the gun regarding if Ramsey takes the job full time, let’s just get the last 3 games out of the way first.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Stuff like this makes it easy to defend Riza for his "clueless" comments

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:thumbup::thumbup:

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Originally Posted by bobh

If we stay up, Rambo will attain god-like status.
If we go down, the change was too late, it wasn't his fault.

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This is a win-win for Ramsey.

If we stay up he’ll be offered the job permanently by our part time chairman and CEO because it’ll be a decision that requires the least amount of effort. They’d just announce it as a reward for keeping us in the Championship.

If we get relegated, then it’s an opportunity for Ramsey to cut his teeth with us in League 1. Again, a decision based on the path of least resistance by our board.

Ramsey is laughing (with the best wishes of everyone in South Wales) for at least the next twelve months thanks to the laziness and incompetence of Dalman and Choo. I’m sick of them!

Hope Rambo nails it mind!

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Two thoughts with this - I can't be bothered to read through all of the pages, so apologies if I repeat anyone else.

1) I thought Ramsey had been helping to advise Riza? If Riza has been taking on board Ramsey's advice, then I can't see much happening that we haven't seen so far.

2) If Riza was a disappointing appointment due to his lack of experience as a manager, then the same surely applies to Ramsey, or is he acceptable because of his playing career?

These might sound like I'm having a downer on Ramsey but that's simply not true. Let's hope things work out. Even if we go down, which I still think is as likely as it was yesterday, these 3 games should have no bearing on Ramsey's future as a manager, either way - if we stay up or go down. He's dealing with a poisoned chalice.

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On 1, I think Riza made some comments about maybe getting Ramsey involved, I don't think he's been actively doing much.

On 2, Riza is thick. Ramsey isn't. For a start, he's not stupid enough to ring fans up who criticise him on social media.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

He could have all the contacts and the individual excellence he likes, doesn’t mean this will work out in the slightest.

Not sure I can imagine Ramsey able to gee up the players when the chips are down

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I prefer to remain positive about this appointment
Rambo is a very wealthy man, he doesn’t have to and won’t put up with any crap

That’s why I have more faith in him as the manager than anyone else
Rambo will seek and get assurances on what he wants and what he needs from the board

Otherwise he’ll tell them to whistle for it
He’s an intelligent individual and I doubt he’ll be anyone’s lapdog

If he’s going to take the job on permanently, he’ll demand assurances, otherwise he’ll walk

Whenever people criticise Rambo, they should remember, he’s only here because he wants to be involved with the City

We need him, far more than he needs us imho

This will be the first City manager I once saw playing for our youth team. Thanks for another reason to feel old, Aaron. (Even though it wasn't that long ago).

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

This will be the first City manager I once saw playing for our youth team. Thanks for another reason to feel old, Aaron. (Even though it wasn't that long ago).

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Thinking a bit on those lines today, sort of. I make it that we’ve had 4 managers/temporary managers in our history who began their football life at the City. Richie Morgan, Alan Durban, Scott Young & now Ramsey. Can’t think of any others.

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