Am I right in thinking that a big win against Liechtenstein (7-0) and we only need to draw against North Macedonia?
(It's unlikely, obviously.)
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Am I right in thinking that a big win against Liechtenstein (7-0) and we only need to draw against North Macedonia?
(It's unlikely, obviously.)
Rodon, Ampadu and Neko Williams are PL regulars. Ben Davies is vastly experienced at PL. So it's not like they are lower League level. We seem so easy to play against. So easy to open up.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Nah Ashley. Ben Davies didn't do really well v Doku.😂
I agree. BJ has scored 26 Premier League goals in 113 appearances whereas MH has scored 15 Championship goals in 138 appearances. BJ scored 16 Championship goals in 59 appearances. He is a proven goalscorer at the highest level - 6 international goals, whereas MH is an unproven goalscorer even at a lower level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
It just doesn’t make sense.
The first pen was unlucky. The following three goals were dreadful ones to concede.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
The squad isn't great but we have as many PL players now as we have ever had.
It's the manner of the goals we are losing that grates.
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Originally Posted by Hilts
I dont think so, at this level players must be at it 100% switched on every single minute, Bellamy chose to take Brooks off and left James on, neither did that much, James the lost the ball for their 2nd goal and went for the ball in the penalty area, Macedonia didn't concede the other day and we shipped 4 at home, the pedestrian back 4 passing with our midfield static standing next to their players offering no out ball, Ben Davies cantering over to Docku giving him time to have a pie and a pint before passing it, Thomas at the end admiring Trossard and watching him slide it home it's just not good enough if we were to be serious contenders to win the game, the ref never did us any favours but IMO we contributed more to our defeat than the ref, both were pens under the modern game so no complaints there. Docku is a marvelous player and offers a serious threat but him aside i dont think this is a great Belgium side De-Bryne isn't what he was, but he's always looking at breaking into the box like he was continually doing tonight, it was if we had never seen him do this before, I thought we were just poor from manager through the players, our 2nd goal was nice however. it seems we are getting poorer under Bellamy or the better opposition is finding it easier to expose us knowing we will just pass it square, back, square back and sideways at a lethargic pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Bellamy wont sit in against any team. Two banks of nothing, it's not his way. He takes teams on. Personally i don't mind it, it makes for an entertaining game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
All the summarisers are worse than the players. It's not an achievement to have Belgium sit and counter when you ship 4 and could easily have conceded a few more.
Rodon and Ampadu were playing in the Championship earlier this year. Their side currently sits 15th in the Premier League. Williams’ side is currently 17th. Cabango is a Championship player. Meanwhile, veteran Davies hasn’t played a single minute for Spurs this season in any competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
That’s not a strong defence by any stretch of the imagination.
I think other teams have worked us out and we don't have any countermeasures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I think we have just come up against better teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
By historical standards that's not bad. Our most successful side that reached the semi finals of the Euros had a Championship full back in Chris Gunter and James Chester who rarely started for West Brom! They were both starters in that Welsh side as was Wayne Hennessey who wasn't getting much game time either.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Yes I think that's fair but I think we need to be more pragmatic against the better sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Probably, and Bellamy wont deviate from the way he sets out to play, he doesn't seem to react to scorelines or passages pf play. It will either make him or break him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
But by realistic standards, it’s not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
On the plus side, a first cap tonight for Joe Rodent. *
(* Not my joke, I just saw it on Facebook.)
Chester was an outstanding Championship centre back, and he walks into our side. Hennnessey played 29, 29 and 27 PL games in the 3 seasons either side of Euro 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
We are also crazy open, they don't get any help from the wingers. We are easy to play against, and we're punchless going forwards. It's the weakest group of players we've had for well over a decade.
It's going to break him then, it's one thing to play like that in Nations League that are glorified friendlies and get some moral victories when we play bigger teams close, quite another to play like that in games that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Just like his mentor Kompany at Burnley, playing that way when you don't have the players to do it is suicide. Maybe if he lucks into the Bayern job next he'll look like a tactical genius too.
Yup, put those teams next to each other and you'd say maybe Neco Williams and Harry Wilson are anywhere close to starting for the 2016 team? The spine of the team is so much stronger in 2016 it's not even funny. Even if you somehow forget about a prime Bale and Ramsey who when fit were both world class players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
The group will pan out as expected. We could have predicted this a year ago. We haven’t the talent now to beat a team like Belgium but it’s taken 3 penalties to defeat us in those games.
We need a kind draw in the play offs to even have a sniff.
Just like their winner in the away game. Left side non existent nor marking in the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Us the rat entitled to a Welsh cap?
Williams certainly starts ahead of Gunter or Taylor.Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Bluebird
I reckon Moore at his best would have started up top, could possibly make a case for Ampadu & Rodon too. Maybe even Connor Roberts over Gunter but that would be controversial
Wilson wouldn't get anywhere near starting as his competition would be Bale & Ramsey.
We could have if they'd won.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
Remember when Bellamy said the performance in his first game, Turkey, was as bad as things would get? The truth is that we’re a worse team now than we were then. Furthermore, our defending has gone to pot. It’s all very well saying Bellamy wants to take these big teams on, but our forward players are not good or consistent enough to give such an approach a chance of succeeding with a defence as disorganised as ours is. We concede so many early goals against sides like Belgium and England that the game is over before it’s begun - we’re far too easy to play against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Looking at the teams we might play I don’t have much hope with this team…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
I think he talks boll**ks to be honest. I like Craig, I think he is a good coach and I really hope he can turn it around. But he does talk boll**ks in his interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
If he thinks that Harris up front is the best option, he’s never going to make it as a good coachQuote:
Originally Posted by John Buchanan
Ben Davies getting turned inside out, Cabango poor, and Ampadu non existent in midfield
Meanwhile we watched as Moore spent around the best part of the second half running up and down the line waiting to come on???
Half time was the time for changes
While I’m on one, does every village in North Wales send its Man Utd supporting idiot down the big city for these games?
I think we had the worst one sat near us, what a muppet
Hes getting more David Brent with every interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Buchanan
I think he must have gone to the same media training as Anthony Joshua.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...int_source=nba
Walesonline ratings. Largely fair. Thomas given 7 and star man is bonkers. Awful back pass , not back tracking deserved a 5. DaSilva all he did was be hopeless for the 4th should have been a n/a or 1 or 2
James lucky to get 5 as well.
I think he likes Mark Harris because hes busy and is a nuisance for defenders, runs the channels, will win you some corners.etc but ultimately, his statistics show there is no end product there. None whatsoever. Never has been.
I think its a sorry state for Welsh football when you consider some of the great forward players in the last 40-50 years that Mark Harris is deemed number 1 selection for the national team.
Thomas had a good first half but a dreadful second period. Rodon our best player imo. No way was Brooks worth a 6. He created nothing and moves often broke down with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
To concede one penalty for ball to hand is a VAR disgrace, to deliberately handball for a second is careless.
I thought it was a good performance for the majority of the game. Doku was playing a different game to everyone else ,but for the first 20 mins I thought playing Harris was a good move, Johnson wouldn't have put in anywhere near the same effort and Moore forces a very different style of play. Belgium were caught cold with the pace and passing and it's a shame that a poor referee decision let them catch their breath.
Until the second penalty killed it I also fancied Wales to equalise (and probably be down again within a minute). Put me down as a hopeless optimist.
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Originally Posted by olderblue
I suppose a lot depends on the definitions of a coach and a manager. Good coaches often don't make good managers.
While I'm on one, I wasn't at the game but the crowd and atmosphere came across as very underwhelming. After we scored, we should have been singing and dancing but all that came across was fear, tension and anticipation of the inevitable.
Ampadu did well considering he was left totally exposed by Wilson & James for much of the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by olderblue
The first penalty totally swung the momentumQuote:
Originally Posted by caerkid
I remember it well, unfortunately the best Welsh performance on the pitch last night came from a rat, although it may have hitched a ride from Belgium in some of the luggage!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Johnson, is not, never will be, a winger.
Looks like a lost boy stuck out on the touchline
Harris is a poor footballer, he does have end product, but it's at league 1 level. That should tell us all we need to know about that division.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley