There is something in what you say about numbers but those being bad do not automatically mean he is good.
The poll is based on his performance as lEaDer not on someone elses failure. i don't thin kthe 2 things are mutual.
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There is something in what you say about numbers but those being bad do not automatically mean he is good.
The poll is based on his performance as lEaDer not on someone elses failure. i don't thin kthe 2 things are mutual.
Not sure how this will be policed, but can see why it is necessary. Today, my next door neighbour has had 2 lots of visitors into his house. His father lives next door, and has also had visitors to the house. The divorcee up the road had her friends around for a drink in the garden on Thursday night. So, the rest of us have to follow even tighter rules - not because the science requires tighter rules, but because people need to be told what to do. However, this is going to fall on deaf ears. The road behind our house is quite busy todayQuote:
Originally Posted by surge
i live in llandaff but like to go to roath park to feed the swans, its only about 2 miles and i do my shopping on the way home.
About traffic, I live on a major junction and Yes traffic has slowly crept up over the last 2 weeks, but we should be realistic.
When someone is driving his car he is definitely social distancing.
The main highways and M'Ways are almost empty so the traffic in the town/city is only going short distance generally, and the biggest thing is night-time. The road outside is totally empty and devoid of traffic as no pubs club restaurants ot takeways are open. So again people are social distancing. the only thing I see at night are delivery lorries.
So although some arseholes are ignoring the rules and the risks, (and some always will) I think generally it is still working and I think the 'only cycling walking distance' and not driving to the park is a bit of OTT big brother from the Welsh Government. The people who ignore the rules are the same people who were ignoring them already so it will only impact on the people doing right!
A thingh on wlaes update now about S Wales police tweeting queues outside a B&Q supermarket and qquestioning if the shopping is essential. It may not be food but it may be essensial for well-being and distraction from being locked it!!!!!
I'm worried that these new levels of restrictions will give the police the excuse to be more draconian and heavy handed with basically good citizens ( we will make something up - who are they going to believe?) and that will make people very anti and less inclined to keep to the rules
In Ireland the rules around exercising are as follows:
Again, other nations are providing a lot clearer advice than we're getting but at least Senedd is edging towards that sort of clarity.Quote:
- to exercise within 2 kilometres of your house. You cannot exercise with people from outside your household
(https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf...ther-spread-o/)
No longer required because it was extremely ill though out and badly managed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
Sounds like next faze of the lockdown will allow small groups of different households to get together....might aswell as plenty are doing this anyway, partic families whose parents have long split up and want to share the kids.
Next phase will be delayed due to London dickheads congregating on Westminster Bridge to applaud NHS whilst filing to take any precautions or social distance, with police joining in.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Others will then turn round and copy that dumb behaviours...
Well done Sadiq and Cressida!
What did Sadiq do?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
I drive to Magor 6 times a week and they most definitely are notQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
We will be doing our own thing here if them over the bridge dont play by the rules.....looks like new cases level around 250 is where we were coming up around the 31st March, it took two weeks to get there from mid march when there were no cases so hopefully another 2 weeks will see it fall away to mid March levels as predicted back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Telegraph front page announcing 2 week quarantine for those travelling into the UK. This is something other countries put in place what feels like months ago - why does it take the UK so much longer to take action?
Boris is back on duty tomorrow and raring to go.
We can all rest easy, he’s got this covered.
Hurrah:biggrin:
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Fascinating disconnect between people's perceptions of the UK from inside and outside. Inside, the coverage is mostly serious but calm. And yet anyone I know following coverage of the UK from outside is frightened and outraged by what has happened. Commentators I've appeared on shows with - from hard left to hard right - based outside the UK are aghast at what has happened here. My uncle in Guatemala - a country which is about as ****ed as you can get & currently under curfew - called up my mum in a panic after seeing a TV report about the UK.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1254056076552650754
This government has lacked transparency and honesty since it started the Brexit campaign - not a criticism of the idea of/need for Brexit, just the campaign that succeeded in the referendum and government it later formed - and UK is seeing its soft power status around the wold weaken because of it, not to mention the thousands of lives already lost within the UK.Quote:
It's quite incredible, although I would substitute 'tame' for 'calm'. All the more disgusting that the government is trying to disparage coverage that is already calm/tame/mild in comparison to that of objective outside observers.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status...57219076825089
Birmingham Nightingale. As with London, not enough staff to make it work. NHS staff are being concentrated in hospitals, shunting away cancer patients, for example, to keep the HDUs going. A year on there will be a lot of passing the buck when it comes to the real numbers who die of CV, in hospitals, care homes, hospices, at home and those who have not suffered from CV but didnt get the treatment needed due to political expediency.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-52430855
What’s all the fuss about eh? It will be gone soon anyway......
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ims-professor/
The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation
Of course we should be asking who has told them this, but don't forget that "The Fidesz government has been accused of "silencing media" and controlling all major media outlets in Hungary, thus creating an echo chamber that has excluded alternative political voices."Quote:
Toby Helm is the Observer's Political Editor:
Downing Street trying to get us to say trust in government not declining and to rewrite this story with new headline. Request refused. We are not edited by Downing Street.
I am told Downing Street also barred Sunday Times from asking questions at its briefing because they dared to criticise govt's response to Coronavirus. Surely not so in an advanced democracy.
I am also told that if any other newspaper helped the Sunday Times they would be barred from asking questions at the briefing too. Surely none of this can be true.
This jumps out at me from that article. That’s terrifying still isn’t it?Quote:
The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent,
In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent
You wouldn’t do anything else that gave you a 1 in 10,000 chance of death.
All this while social distancing is going on too.
Then this:
So if we let the whole country get it and the hospitals could cope we’d end up, on best estimate, with 65,000 dead. And that rate is based on social distancing too.Quote:
The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent
Then this bit
Why not give the rate for 45-75? Is it because it wouldn’t fit the its not that bad narrative?Quote:
In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.
It would have been better to have had a better response earlier but since we can surely 2 or 3 months pain to get this under control is better than letting a lot of people die?
Join the Labour party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
The New York Times puts the death rate for flu at typically around 0.1% in the U.S.
An article I read yesterday on the Observer website talked about concerns in the scientific community that the new cases per day figure is stubbornly refusing to drop by the expected amounts as the "levelling off" period enters another week. The Government's scientists, reasonably, make the point that the increase in number of tests per day of around 50 to 70 per cent seen in the last week to ten days has to mean that the daily number of new cases would rise, the fact that these figures have tended to remain at the levels of a fortnight ago is, effectively, proof that the number of new cases per day is declining.
However, isn't that defence really just an admission of the inadequacies of the earlier approach? Much fuss was made of the 20,000 deaths figure being passed on Saturday, but, again, that figure is recognised as being a false one now because it is for hospital deaths only - the real truth is that the 20,000 figure had been reached days earlier. About three weeks ago, a projection showing as many as 66,000 deaths in the UK (more than three times as many as any other European country). Due to them constantly over estimating the daily death figure by hundreds, that 66,000 has been revised downwards now to 32,000 which would still make us the worst affected European country, but I'd say now that the very slight possibility exists for the first time that their figure may be an under estimate now - even if we only use the hospital deaths figure, more than a thousand people have been dying every two days for a few weeks now and, with any downturn in new cases only tending to be reflected in the deaths figures about a fortnight later, that trend could go on for a while yet.
Anyone else notice how people who describe themselves as "free thinkers" always say the same things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
One of many flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I'd have thought given the increasing number of idiots gathering there Thursday evenings, closing the bridge then would prevent social distancing being flouted.
Then again, Khan was the guy who felt it appropriate to cut the number of tube carriages meaning even though less people were on the trains, social distancing was ****ed as people jammed in...
Maybe go and read page 1 again about why the direct death rate isn’t the biggest issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Then consider that a 0.1% death rate during a lockdown maybe isn’t very good.
This is not a new take. How do you cocoon the elderly/at risk? We haven't even managed to keep care homes safe. Until you can square that circle we are where we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
This is an extra special reach that deserves recognition. You need to try and take politics less personally and not get emotionally drawn in.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Closing Westminster bridge :hehe:
Perhaps Khan was encouraging 'Herd Immunity' without actually stating it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
It was all the rage back in late March.
If the global economy crashes people will die in the hundreds of millions. Until you can square that circle we are heading towards an unprecedented catastrophe of epic proportions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
It is a new take because it is based on factual data. Everything preceding it was conjecture at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
The factual data during the lockdown is still really bad though. The economy would have been best protected if something was done earlier, so now we have 2 or 3 months of this to stop loads of people dying and hope that the governments manage the economy as best they can by allowing relaxing of the restrictions when possible.
The arguments haven't changed. There have been 20,000 deaths in a month despite the lockdown, that would have been worse without it.
Can’t believe this thread has been going since the 10th of March and no one has thought of the economy until now!
And not because they now have enough ventilators?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
You really have no clue do you. You advocate for something and then when someone presses you for detail you turn into a manchild.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
100s of millions?
Factual data as opposed to 'unfactual' data?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You have posted links to academic papers on covid over the last few months, are you saying they were conjecture?
Do you think you will be one of them to die ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Bit of Welsh news.Quote:
Mark Drakeford says there has been an "overwhelming response" from Welsh companies offering to make personal protective equipment (PPE).
"We have had almost 1,000 enquiries and offers to date, half of these have been about PPE or medtech," the first minister said.
"We can’t simply rely on supplies from overseas – we have to have a homegrown supply of essential equipment.
"As part of our ongoing efforts to build up local businesses to make more of the everyday goods we use in Wales, we’ll be looking at how we can make more of the PPE we need closer to home".
"For the first time, we are self-sufficient in scrubs in Wales – we’re making 5,000 a week, bringing back overseas jobs and anchoring them in our Welsh economy."
"We have been very fortunate that we’ve had enough PPE in Wales but two items – masks and fluid-resistant gowns – are under the most pressure."
Pity he can't sort out testing which is a shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge