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Rjk
no they wont
Trump himself said the tariffs could be zero.
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Rjk
Some of the more interesting things I've seen on these new tariffs are trying to figure out how they've been worked out - it seems a little bit haphazard.
they've calculated the trade deficit with each country or region, divided by the total amount of imports and divided by 2 to get the new tarrifs.
With a minimum figure of 10%.
Only based on goods - not services.
Nothing to do with what the tarrifs are applied on the US by those other countries, just purely based on trade deficit. So not entirely sure how they are supposed to be reciprocal.
Yeah they had a formula on Newsnight late night but no one could make too much sense of it. It's like tariffs + trade deficit - lines on the US flag + the RAL colour of Donald's face.
I do think within a few months though the US may well have better terms of trade than they did at the beginning of this week and the ongoing uncertainty will lead to some on-shoring of jobs to US factories
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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JamesWales
Yeah they had a formula on Newsnight late night but no one could make too much sense of it. It's like tariffs + trade deficit - lines on the US flag + the RAL colour of Donald's face.
I do think within a few months though the US may well have better terms of trade than they did at the beginning of this week and the ongoing uncertainty will lead to some on-shoring of jobs to US factories
Why listen to filtered and likely biased news when you can get it directly from the horses mouth? The liberal media hate Trump and they would take great pleasure in helping to bring about his downfall.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Wales-Bales
Why listen to filtered and likely biased news when you can get it directly from the horses mouth? The liberal media hate Trump and they would take great pleasure in helping to bring about his downfall.
Still on the fence I see. Wonder why there’s no tariffs for Russia?
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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the other bob wilson
Still on the fence I see. Wonder why there’s no tariffs for Russia?
Same applies to the right wing media, they are all full of it. In 2025 you shouldn't need any news organisation to tell you what is going on.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Wales-Bales
Why listen to filtered and likely biased news when you can get it directly from the horses mouth? The liberal media hate Trump and they would take great pleasure in helping to bring about his downfall.
Of course it is important to listen to the serial liar, with little grasp of details, who changes his mind depending on who last had an audience to flatter him, and whose mental faculties are rapidly following what we now know as ‘the Biden Curve’.
Maybe a horse would be a more reliable source of information?
If you had said we should listen to the ideologues behind the policy - like Stephen Miller or Peter Navarro - then I would agree.
There is surely a plan behind the Tariff Wars. For Trump it is a headline, a way of getting world leaders to fawn over him, and a short term bonanza to fund tax cuts for his rich mates. Although he talks about recreating the US manufacturing sector of the 1950s I doubt that is really the endgame. Can’t happen anyway.
The brains behind the throne have a political vision to be achieved by economic disruption. I would be amazed if Trump understands or cares about where it is going. It is about a different group of actors in control of the neo liberal circus - not an end to it.
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jon1959
Of course it is important to listen to the serial liar, with little grasp of details, who changes his mind depending on who last had an audience to flatter him, and whose mental faculties are rapidly following what we now know as ‘the Biden Curve’.
Maybe a horse would be a more reliable source of information?
If you had said we should listen to the ideologues behind the policy - like Stephen Miller or Peter Navarro - then I would agree.
There is surely a plan behind the Tariff Wars. For Trump it is a headline, a way of getting world leaders to fawn over him, and a short term bonanza to fund tax cuts for his rich mates. Although he talks about recreating the US manufacturing sector of the 1950s I doubt that is really the endgame. Can’t happen anyway.
The brains behind the throne have a political vision to be achieved by economic disruption. I would be amazed if Trump understands or cares about where it is going. It is about a different group of actors in control of the neo liberal circus - not an end to it.
Why do people need journalistic spin when they can listen to the actual press conferences?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k734odzjwW8
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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JamesWales
Yeah they had a formula on Newsnight late night but no one could make too much sense of it. It's like tariffs + trade deficit - lines on the US flag + the RAL colour of Donald's face.
I do think within a few months though the US may well have better terms of trade than they did at the beginning of this week and the ongoing uncertainty will lead to some on-shoring of jobs to US factories
Trump, like you, has no understanding of basic macroeconomics. He doesn't understand the importance of including services in measuring trade deficits and the idea of the balance of payments would probably blow his (and your) mind.
Basic facts may stymie your sycophantic ravings. Like, tariffs on US goods were running in low single digits in most cases. So, Trump imposed 20% tariffs on countries that had 2% tariffs on US goods. That isn't reciprocal. What's his "phenomenal" deal going to be? He'll cut his tariff to 10% if the other country cuts theirs to 1%?
The "formula" for the tariffs was clearly made up by Musk's kid with his crayons on his visit to the Oval Office. (Actually, the BBC has clearly defined the lunatic method.)
You just can't stop lauding Trump. You're his useful idiot on here.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Wales-Bales
You think the journos are the culprits? Trump does more spinning than Dead or Alive.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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az city
Trump, like you, has no understanding of basic macroeconomics. He doesn't understand the importance of including services in measuring trade deficits and the idea of the balance of payments would probably blow his (and your) mind.
Basic facts may stymie your sycophantic ravings. Like, tariffs on US goods were running in low single digits in most cases. So, Trump imposed 20% tariffs on countries that had 2% tariffs on US goods. That isn't reciprocal. What's his "phenomenal" deal going to be? He'll cut his tariff to 10% if the other country cuts theirs to 1%?
The "formula" for the tariffs was clearly made up by Musk's kid with his crayons on his visit to the Oval Office. (Actually, the BBC has clearly defined the lunatic method.)
You just can't stop lauding Trump. You're his useful idiot on here.
Sycophantic rantings 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Yes I wrote about what they put on newsnight in the hope that Trump would see it on this message board and it would benefit me.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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JamesWales
Sycophantic rantings 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Yes I wrote about what they put on newsnight in the hope that Trump would see it on this message board and it would benefit me.
Trump
Musk
Farage
You have got your finger in all their arses
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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JamesWales
Sycophantic rantings ������������.
Yes I wrote about what they put on newsnight in the hope that Trump would see it on this message board and it would benefit me.
No , you either post messages of love to all these fat right wing clowns on here or read something about them and put your own , unique slant on it
Which , like them , is right wing
It's boring and predictable but like rat in the farmers yard you need to be shot at every time you do it
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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SLUDGE FACTORY
No , you either post messages of love to all these fat right wing clowns on here or read something about them and put your own , unique slant on it
Which , like them , is right wing
It's boring and predictable but like rat in the farmers yard you need to be shot at every time you do it
Writing what happened on newsnight isn't a sign a love Sludge, nor is it right-wing, nor as it goes are tariffs.
I can only assume you have been single a long time?
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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JamesWales
Writing what happened on newsnight isn't a sign a love Sludge, nor is it right-wing, nor as it goes are tariffs.
I can only assume you have been single a long time?
It is in your case , you are hot for right wingers
I float around
Papa was a rolling stone
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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SLUDGE FACTORY
It is in your case , you are hot for right wingers
I float around
Papa was a rolling stone
I did watch the weather forecast after newsnight tonight. A moderate breeze tomorrow from the East, or the far-right as you call it.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Rjk
Some of the more interesting things I've seen on these new tariffs are trying to figure out how they've been worked out - it seems a little bit haphazard.
they've calculated the trade deficit with each country or region, divided by the total amount of imports and divided by 2 to get the new tarrifs.
With a minimum figure of 10%.
Only based on goods - not services.
Nothing to do with what the tarrifs are applied on the US by those other countries, just purely based on trade deficit. So not entirely sure how they are supposed to be reciprocal.
just reading USA national debt now stands at close to 37 trillion dollars .
the day before these tariffs were unleashed recession was marked at 44 percent for recession in USA the day after now stands at 55 percent this year
Donald is taking one massive gamble !
just reading about Russia on here pretty sure they are still on embargos regarding trade hence why they are not on list
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MOZZER2
just reading USA national debt now stands at close to 37 trillion dollars .
the day before these tariffs were unleashed recession was marked at 44 percent for recession in USA the day after now stands at 55 percent this year
Donald is taking one massive gamble !
just reading about Russia on here pretty sure they are still on embargos regarding trade hence why they are not on list
Apparently, there’s still $3.5 billion worth of trade with Russia despite the embargoes - that’s a fraction of what it used to be, but more than many countries he slapped tariffs on. Thanks for answering my question as I knew Gluey would ignore it.
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https://apnews.com/article/trump-mus...15367cc808960d
WASHINGTON (AP) — Opponents of President Donald Trump and billionaire Elon Musk plan to rally across the U.S. on Saturday to protest the administration’s actions on government downsizing, the economy, human rights and other issues.
More than 1,200 “Hands Off!” demonstrations have been planned by more than 150 groups, including civil rights organizations, labor unions, LBGTQ+ advocates, veterans and fair-elections activists. The protests are planned for the National Mall in Washington, D.C., state capitols and other locations in all 50 states.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dan-rather...6GG49JAA87774d
“When a clown moves into a palace he doesn’t become a king, the palace instead becomes a circus. — Turkish proverb,”
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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jon1959
That’s crap Jon, he’s playing 4 dimensional chess!
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the other bob wilson
That’s crap Jon, he’s playing 4 dimensional chess!
Fair point. Never underestimate a natural genius.
I just had a look on the interweb and there really is something called 4 dimensional golf! :hehe:
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the other bob wilson
That’s crap Jon, he’s playing 4 dimensional chess!
interesting to see Klaus Schwab stand down as chairman from WEF yesterday the day after these tariffs were put in place .USAID money being drained by DOGE maybe the end of globalisation ? it's more than 4D chess !
my moneys on Blair to step in as chairman of the WEF
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jon1959
https://apnews.com/article/trump-mus...15367cc808960d
WASHINGTON (AP) — Opponents of President Donald Trump and billionaire Elon Musk plan to rally across the U.S. on Saturday to protest the administration’s actions on government downsizing, the economy, human rights and other issues.
More than 1,200 “Hands Off!” demonstrations have been planned by more than 150 groups, including civil rights organizations, labor unions, LBGTQ+ advocates, veterans and fair-elections activists. The protests are planned for the National Mall in Washington, D.C., state capitols and other locations in all 50 states.
It's hotting up! 🍿
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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the other bob wilson
That’s crap Jon, he’s playing 4 dimensional chess!
More like 4 dementia tiddlywinks
