The Donald Trump thread

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Firstly, quit the personal insults. I have no qualms about reporting you for them. There's enough creeps on the internet and we don't need it. I said the same to Sludge who has the same penchant for personal abuse as you do, so quit it.

Secondly, if you can respond maturely, what do you disagree with?

Waiting a few days to form a more rounded opinion?

Not basing long term economic decisions on a couple of days stock market performance?

Continued losses becoming more serious by the day?

This being a pivotal week in the global economy?

A scenario where stock markets stabilize, countries seek to reduce tariffs and companies on-shore?

Or an alternative scenario where those things don't happen?

What is stupid about any of that?

None of them are unreasonable comments.

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You sanctimonious old ponce

Shove it

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You sanctimonious old ponce

Shove it

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Thanks as ever for illustrating my point. Reported your post.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Thanks as ever for illustrating my point. Reported your post.

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I couldn't give a toss you sanctimonious prat

I find the fact that you have regularly bent over backwards to defend the likes of trump , farage highly insulting and offensive

And after the racist riots following the deaths of those young girls you were doing the same , faux outrage and excuses for people far more creepy than anything on the internet

I found that extremely insulting and offensive

So shove that and your schoolboy crying up your chuffa

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I couldn't give a toss you sanctimonious prat

I find the fact that you have regularly bent over backwards to defend the likes of trump , farage highly insulting and offensive

And after the racist riots following the deaths of those young girls you were doing the same , faux outrage and excuses for people far more creepy than anything on the internet

I found that extremely insulting and offensive

So shove that and your schoolboy crying up your chuffa

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The middle point there is a complete lie of course.

You should be banned from here. You always post off topic and you offer endless personal insults, harassing numerous people.

When last week I said that Starmer had reduced waiting lists you went on to write 16 personal insults in the space of 14 hours.

You've been banned before and clearly cannot learn to communicate without insulting multiple people personally for having a different opinion, in a forum, which is the entire point of forums.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

UK growth has typically outperformed our peers in the EU in recent years. There's barely a metric going that points to the UK being outperformed by any notable level. You are incorrect.

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That's not true, since brexit we've been falling behind the EU pretty consistently.

If you cherry pick which years you use as a starting point you can convince yourself that the UK is doing better, but you would be fooling yourself. i.e. the UK had a sharper decline than the EU after covid, and then a steeper recovery, but still overall falling behind.

There are many sensible articles available that absolutely point to the UK being outperformed on a notable level - 5 minutes of googling can deliver a plethora of them.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

The middle point there is a complete lie of course.

You should be banned from here. You always post off topic and you offer endless personal insults, harassing numerous people.

When last week I said that Starmer had reduced waiting lists you went on to write 16 personal insults in the space of 14 hours.

You've been banned before and clearly cannot learn to communicate without insulting multiple people personally for having a different opinion, in a forum, which is the entire point of forums.

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Complete truth

You are a sick bucket apologist

Now carry on teachers pet

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Originally Posted by Rjk

That's not true, since brexit we've been falling behind the EU pretty consistently.

If you cherry pick which years you use as a starting point you can convince yourself that the UK is doing better, but you would be fooling yourself. i.e. the UK had a sharper decline than the EU after covid, and then a steeper recovery, but still overall falling behind.

There are many sensible articles available that absolutely point to the UK being outperformed on a notable level - 5 minutes of googling can deliver a plethora of them.

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The EU contains a large number of eastern European countries still typically growing faster as they develop post communism - obviously lessening as time passes.

Compare the UK with western European peers - France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Netherlands and the like. And pick a metric. The difference is marginal on every level. An unmitigated disaster it is not. Nor is it a wild success story. The truth is pretty anodyne.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Complete truth

You are a sick bucket apologist

Now carry on teachers pet

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If it's the truth then present it. I am keeping the receipts of your endless personal insults which given I read them on pretty much every post I read that you post on is pretty close to harassment tbh.

I've told you to stop multiple times and you don't. 🤷

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Originally Posted by Rjk

That's not true, since brexit we've been falling behind the EU pretty consistently.

If you cherry pick which years you use as a starting point you can convince yourself that the UK is doing better, but you would be fooling yourself. i.e. the UK had a sharper decline than the EU after covid, and then a steeper recovery, but still overall falling behind.

There are many sensible articles available that absolutely point to the UK being outperformed on a notable level - 5 minutes of googling can deliver a plethora of them.

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He can convince himself that Trump, Farage and the other creeps are misunderstood all day but he ain't fooling me or anyone else

The refusal to see through these tossers is incredibly .....creepy

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

If it's the truth then present it. I am keeping the receipts of your endless personal insults which given I read them on pretty much every post I read that you post on is pretty close to harassment tbh.

I've told you to stop multiple times and you don't. ��

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You were all over the place regarding the reasons for these racist criminal riots

Wether you want to deny it I am past caring

You are as big a hypocrite as anyone else but you carry on , I couldn't care less

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You were all over the place regarding the reasons for these racist criminal riots

Wether you want to deny it I am past caring

You are as big a hypocrite as anyone else but you carry on , I couldn't care less

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No, I said there's multiple causes coming together. Which is true. You think it was purely down to racial hatred, which is not the full story and you won't find anyone of note who says it is.
I was saying this kind of thing tbh. The country is still a tinderbox now.
https://www.citystgeorges.ac.uk/news...agedy-uk-riots

By all means present it if you can find it.

There's another thread for that topic though. Post it there, stick on topic, don't direct multiple personal insults to people over the course of several hours and days and you won't get people wanting you banned. It's not hard, nearly everyone else can manage it.

[QUOTE=JamesWales;5583013]No, I said there's multiple causes coming together. Which is true. You think it was purely down to racial hatred, which is not the full story and you won't find anyone of note who says it is.
I was saying this kind of thing tbh. The country is still a tinderbox now.
https://www.citystgeorges.ac.uk/news...agedy-uk-riots

By all means present it if you can find it.

There's another thread for that topic though. Post it there, stick on topic, don't direct multiple personal insults to people over the course of several hours and days and you won't get people wanting you banned. It's not hard, nearly everyone else can manage it

No that's not what you said

I don't care what you want put where or what you want to deny

You play the nuance card yet that's far from what you are

Here on trump love in post number 3000 for example

I am not interested in sharing polite political discourse , coffee shop style with your sort

I am certain you get a thrill out of thinking you are always right which is to use your style of analysis ....creepy

It's a sort of sado masochism

I can only come to the conclusion that people defending the seriel liar , thug , crook , sexual predator and all round tosser Trump are doing it to be " different "


Bunch of odd balls

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No, I said there's multiple causes coming together. Which is true. You think it was purely down to racial hatred, which is not the full story and you won't find anyone of note who says it is.
I was saying this kind of thing tbh. The country is still a tinderbox now.
https://www.citystgeorges.ac.uk/news...agedy-uk-riots

By all means present it if you can find it.

There's another thread for that topic though. Post it there, stick on topic, don't direct multiple personal insults to people over the course of several hours and days and you won't get people wanting you banned. It's not hard, nearly everyone else can manage it

No that's not what you said

I don't care what you want put where or what you want to deny

You play the nuance card yet that's far from what you are

Here on trump love in post number 3000 for example

I am not interested in sharing polite political discourse , coffee shop style with your sort

I am certain you get a thrill out of thinking you are always right which is to use your style of analysis ....creepy

It's a sort of sado masochism

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So you'll say something that is absolutely incorrect and then not back up your point when asked to do so?

Then you'll claim that me writing a series of entirely neutral scenarios is "trump love". In fairness, that was more polite than your side kick in online abuse Mr AZ came up with tonight.

And then you think me objecting to you for writing 16 personally abusive posts in half a day is "sado masochism".

Face it Sludge, you are on fairly thin ice here. I would mind less but the kind of stuff you come out with makes the internet a pretty toxic place and I think I've reached the point of actually being totally sick of it.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

So you'll say something that is absolutely incorrect and then not back up your point when asked to do so?

Then you'll claim that me writing a series of entirely neutral scenarios is "trump love". In fairness, that was more polite than your side kick in online abuse Mr AZ came up with tonight.

And then you think me objecting to you for writing 16 personally abusive posts in half a day is "sado masochism".

Face it Sludge, you are on fairly thin ice here. I would mind less but the kind of stuff you come out with makes the internet a pretty toxic place and I think I've reached the point of actually being totally sick of it.

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I really don't care that you deny all your right wing nonsense but it's always going to be pointed out

You have a long long history of taking the other side , as it were and you do clearly do it for pleasure

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I really don't care that you deny all your right wing nonsense but it's always going to be pointed out

You have a long long history of taking the other side , as it were and you do clearly do it for pleasure

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Put up or shut up.

And go to bed too, you are a very naughty boy

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Put up or shut up.

And go to bed too, you are a very naughty boy

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I don't have to put up or shut up to a chap with a long time record of defending trump,telling us immigration was the cause of all our problems , farage speaks some sense ...to the point I am now voting for the right wing snake , musk , etc etc

You said all of these things and more including that the riots were less to do with racism and more to do with frustration ��

I mean I am all for nuance in the right circumstances but your view of middle ground starts firmly on the right wing and then keeps moving

You are lost in space

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I don't have to put up or shut up to a chap with a long time record of defending trump,telling us immigration was the cause of all our problems , farage speaks some sense ...to the point I am now voting for the right wing snake , musk , etc etc

You said all of these things and more including that the riots were less to do with racism and more to do with frustration ��

I mean I am all for nuance in the right circumstances but your view of middle ground starts firmly on the right wing and then keeps moving

You are lost in space

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As I said put up or shut up, cos you make things up and have a very warped view of reality where setting out scenarios is "trump love" and agreeing with the country on immigration being an issue is "right wing" and saying Starmer has reduced the waiting lists gets you a tonne of abuse.

You never learn. We get a short period when the stream of abuse, outlandish statements and misrepresentations end and then it's back to it. You aren't alone but you are the worst for it and I know others will agree with me.

Let's see what happens but I have specifically asked you to stop personal abuse on here now for the second time and as such I hope it will stop and won't be tolerated.

Sleep well.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Firstly, quit the personal insults. I have no qualms about reporting you for them. There's enough creeps on the internet and we don't need it. I said the same to Sludge who has the same penchant for personal abuse as you do, so quit it.

Secondly, if you can respond maturely, what do you disagree with?

Waiting a few days to form a more rounded opinion?

Not basing long term economic decisions on a couple of days stock market performance?

Continued losses becoming more serious by the day?

This being a pivotal week in the global economy?

A scenario where stock markets stabilize, countries seek to reduce tariffs and companies on-shore?

Or an alternative scenario where those things don't happen?

What is stupid about any of that?

None of them are unreasonable comments.

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"Mummy, mummy, please make the man with the truth go away. He's spoiling my playtime."

I don't think you like being told you're utterly wrong, know nothing of which you speak and are determinedly misleading people with agitprop posts.

Go ahead report me. I'm not sure what for exactly ... because I said if you believed the tripe you posted you're an idiot? You do know it's an internet message board and not the sand pit in the local park, right?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

The EU contains a large number of eastern European countries still typically growing faster as they develop post communism - obviously lessening as time passes.

Compare the UK with western European peers - France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Netherlands and the like. And pick a metric. The difference is marginal on every level. An unmitigated disaster it is not. Nor is it a wild success story. The truth is pretty anodyne.

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I know you won't understand/listen/take your rightwing blinkers off ... whatever. We judge Brexit by the counterfactual of where Britain would have been had it not occurred. Everyone who has any expertise will tell you Britain is worse off. But apparently you know better. Cross sectional comparisons are not good guides.

Go on, complain that I've maligned you by failing to agree with your one-eyed bollocks.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

As I said put up or shut up, cos you make things up and have a very warped view of reality where setting out scenarios is "trump love" and agreeing with the country on immigration being an issue is "right wing" and saying Starmer has reduced the waiting lists gets you a tonne of abuse.

You never learn. We get a short period when the stream of abuse, outlandish statements and misrepresentations end and then it's back to it. You aren't alone but you are the worst for it and I know others will agree with me.

Let's see what happens but I have specifically asked you to stop personal abuse on here now for the second time and as such I hope it will stop and won't be tolerated.

Sleep well.

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I have told you , repeatedly that you have ...repeatedly tucked yourself into bed with the right over trump , farage ....who you now vote for presumably because your old tory chums ain't right wing enough .....and your comments about the riots couldn't be more GB News even if you had been presenting the late night anything goes show

The police footage from within the rioters during the attack on the Rotherham hotel showed conclusively that the overwhelmingly majority of people there were using racist language pouring water on any claim that these were not far right people .....something you have also suggested on here , posted by you



And I don't have to put up anything ......its all there...because you have written it

If you want to say that's a lie then you carry on , I couldn't give a toss

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I have told you , repeatedly that you have ...repeatedly tucked yourself into bed with the right over trump , farage ....who you now vote for presumably because your old tory chums ain't right wing enough .....and your comments about the riots couldn't be more GB News even if you had been presenting the late night anything goes show

The police footage from within the rioters during the attack on the Rotherham hotel showed conclusively that the overwhelmingly majority of people there were using racist language pouring water on any claim that these were not far right people .....something you have also suggested on here , posted by you



And I don't have to put up anything ......its all there...because you have written it

If you want to say that's a lie then you carry on , I couldn't give a toss

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The Rotherham rioters were Right Wing malignant terrorists full stop. They put innocent people's lives in danger. We should wipe the floor with these evil misfits.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Trump just played economic chicken with the most powerful countries in the world and they all blinked.
CCMB financial experts know better 🤣
Good evening chaps. 🤣

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What is this "blink" of which you speak? I think you're mistaking a collective closing of eyes in disbelief at this moron's actions.

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Originally Posted by stevo

What is this "blink" of which you speak?

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182? :sherlock:

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Trump just played economic chicken with the most powerful countries in the world and they all blinked.
CCMB financial experts know better 🤣
Good evening chaps. 🤣

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If you're going to palm off someone else's quote as your own, at least make sure it's not one that he got widely ridiculed for :hehe:

https://x.com/PeterTwinklage/status/1909272973875241466

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerro...what-happened/