Unlikely, but there'll be plenty who can do a bit of googling and pass themselves off as an expert so I'm sure you'll get an answer soon :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
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Unlikely, but there'll be plenty who can do a bit of googling and pass themselves off as an expert so I'm sure you'll get an answer soon :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
JamesWales you are wanted on the bat phoneQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Can you take the call for me please? I'm just busy on Google a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Just give a holding message please. Something something Zionism something something fascism something something Tory rotters something something far right something something USSR something something down with the US global Jewish imperialists something something. You got this 👍
Cheers bra.
The alliance between Russia and the Arab nations has been expected as an end-game scenario for almost 3000 years. This is the latest position > Russia's stern warning to Netanyahu: Israel shouldn't even consider attacking Iran's nuclear facilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
NB: "Russia has strengthened ties with the Islamic Republic since the start of its war in Ukraine and is preparing to sign a major partnership agreement with Tehran".
Strange then that the USSR and Czechoslovakia were the nations that initially armed the Israelis for a decade and a half after 1948.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
The USA only became the main military, financial and diplomatic backer of Israel in the early 1960s.
I suppose everyone was reading different books from you back then? They didn't get the 'end game scenario' memo.
I referenced the end-game scenario, what does the 1940's and 1960's specifically have to do with the final page of human history?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
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I bet Wash DC Blue didn't envisage the Book of Revelations 'End of Days' being an answer?
It’s a puzzle, isn’t it.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Remind me, when is ‘the final page of human history’ due?
Ezekiel 38 in the OT would be the key chapter in this case, while Revelation chapters 6 to 19 provide the details of the events that will follow this all out attack on Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I'm not sure Ezekiel ever said "Rejoice in the bloodlust; take every ounce of joy from the glorious action of decapitating and blowing apart those women and children that are so far from the gaze of God that they are irrelevant. Total belief in the power of God to maim and kill the unbelievers is our salvation to everlasting life"Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
That quote or sentiment isn't found in any Biblical prophecy, however for sound reasons God has ordered the destruction of certain groups of people in other points in history. Furthermore, no individuals are irrelevant to God, chiefly because He Himself suffered and died for each one of them in Christ, so that they needn't suffer the consequences of their natural rebellion; which are no different to those of mine or yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
If not Ezekiel was that quote fron Netanyahu or one of the mentalists he has in his Israeli government?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
You're right, those be dem guys!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
If God Is Love why should He order the destruction of certain groups of people? I think you are confusing God with tyrants usurping His name here.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
No confusion. "God is love" - however God is not just love, He is Just too. He doesn't judge people as humans do, on appearances or limited evidence, He judges the hearts of people, so is able to judge and act unlike anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
If God were a tyrant then why would pay the cost of our Salvation on the Cross and in doing so offer everyone (including those who spend time here opposing Him) a secure and undeserved eternity?
If God were just he wouldn't order the destruction of certain groups of people. I believe if there is a God he/she/it must be just. I think you are confusing God's will with selfish human cravings for power and status. The only orders for the destruction of certain groups of people have come from humans who have cynically used God's name to support their cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
That's your perspective and you are entitled to your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Out of interest, if your world view has no god, why do you seek justice at all?
Wouldn't we all be molecules in motion until we all become compost?
Not at all and I didn't say my world view has no God. I cannot prove nor disprove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
However, justice is an intrinsic factor in human sensibility and whether or not individuals remain as compost is irrelevant. The relevance is only to the here and now.
But in the here and now you have not explained why humans have a sense of justice if we are NOT made to ideally reflect and practice the values and standards of our Creator?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Isn't it obvious to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Your view, no. Currently it is totally illogical?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
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Illogical?Quote:
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Brilliant! :hehe:
Confucius say "When you are backed into a wall, shout for help"Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
https://x.com/steviemcglinchy/status...UanvGGt-w&s=19
clip from sky news of an Israeli extremist - staggering stuff
There are a lot of extremists with those views - a growing % in Israel, in the USA (though more obviously from Christian Zionists than from the Jewish community that is slowly breaking from slavish support for Israel and its state ideology) and some in Europe too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
'It is our land' (from the supposed Old Testament real estate deal between their god and his 'chosen people') is the position of the UK Chief Rabbi, and it is the view of one particular poster active in this thread.
No help required, as you inhabit a universe with an economy (reality) which exists purely by accident and assumes the model is the survival of the fittest. Then within that framework you want to have morality, without any understanding (within your chosen ceiling which is science) as to why you want it as part of your reality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
You have as much hope of exlaining that part of life (from your own world view) as you do the 7 day week.
Honestly you just post gibberish! Why not try writing in English rather than 1st Century Aramaic?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
"It is our land" is it bollocks!!! There are some seriously evil excuses for human sapiens abroad.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
No problem, if you think evolution is the reason we are here, then why as advanced animals should we even care about anything including right & wrong except survival of the fittest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Are you suggesting that non-Christians do not have morals and/or are incapable of coming up with any? As the majority of the population of the world are not of your ilk (and never has been) that sounds rather ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
An obvious answer might be intelligence. The power of the human mind is remarkable you know!Quote:
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An answer, yes. Obvious, No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Hitler and others with brilliant minds and influence over others have no shortage of intelligence, but would be said to have less morallity than your average Cobra.
I'm not sure mortality is relevant. It has no bearing upon love, compassion or insight. By the way I'm not sure I'd ascribe a "brilliant mind" to Hitler. There are many other adjectives I'd prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Others who have looked into this are in no doubt: "Am I wrong for thinking Hitler was a brilliant person who knew what he was doing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
His estimated IQ is 140. I've looked over "Mein Kampf", his ability to reason and express himself demonstrates intelligence and considering his lack of formal education is impressive.
The people around him who did take an IQ test had IQs of 140 or better.
So he could be called brilliant. He made many mistakes many resulting from his damaged personality. He was distrustful and did not take advise from others but rather depended solely on his own deductions and intuition".
His "estimated' IQ! You can't estimate an IQ without a properly conducted test. People have tried this many times before and failed badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Hitler had obvious special qualities: his oration being paramount. He was also likely a strong character with superbly honed political nous. However, he also had failings, as his Generals would have arrested to. His character flaws were spectacular, especially his twisted ethical outlook. No one with intellect needs any God to tell them Hitler was a bad 'un.
You've made my point, intelligence has nothing to do with morality, the question remains that IF we are evolved animals, then why do we have a sense of right and wrong when other animals will simply eat each other for lunch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Please tell me you've got something better than "Hitler was a person and he was evil" as an argument against the idea that most humans are naturally compassionate without needing to be told to be by a bookQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
As I've pointed out, Superior Intelligence and incidentally even the God fearing bunch eat animals for lunch. By the way animals can display ethical characteristics too but one thing they can't do is purchase their lunch from Sainsbury's...yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
If using Sainsburys correctly is the mark of being significant then we are in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Ethics in the main are seen consistently across humanity which makes us distinct from most other life forms; the question is why?
If we take the deeply flawed Darwinian view, then we have to explain WHERE we all obtained our sense of morality from? And WHEN?
I've yet to hear or see anyone do that in over four decades of asking the question.
No nothing you've mentioned here is anywhere near correct. You've got a huge learning curve I'm afraid. I'm not even sure we are distinct from other life forms with reference to ethics. We have barely scratched the surface in terms of understanding animals and I suspect zoologists will tell you there are studies which strongly suggest SOME groups of animals display ethical tendencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
By the way, many many humans show no evidence of being ethical. Take the murderous clique running the Israeli government and their henchmen. They show less ethical qualities than your average mudskipper.