Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Well he has helped secure a ceasefire today, which if it was anyone else on planet earth you would be considering as more important than some naughty words.
Thankfully the swear words give you an opt out! Phew! Close one!
It is of course a ridiculous statement.
The language and the infantile behaviour matter - but not as much as the actions.
Trump was played by Netanyahu, as he was played by Putin. He enabled Israel to attack Iran with US supplied weapons and was then drawn in to take part in the hot war.
Does he deserve the credit you give him for then stopping most (if not all) the bloodshed? He has been Trump-whispered from all sides and is desperate not to piss off his MAGA base any more by so obviously reneging on his election promises. He wants that debased Nobel Peace Prize (maybe Iran will go in with Pakistan on the nomination?). He has at least restrained Netanyahu a bit (for now) over Iran if not over Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Iraq or Syria.
Trump creates or enables a war and then calls halt so he can bask in international sycophancy. That deserves credit? I don’t think so!
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
The language and the infantile behaviour matter - but not as much as the actions.
Trump was played by Netanyahu, as he was played by Putin. He enabled Israel to attack Iran with US supplied weapons and was then drawn in to take part in the hot war.
Does he deserve the credit you give him for then stopping most (if not all) the bloodshed? He has been Trump-whispered from all sides and is desperate not to piss off his MAGA base any more by so obviously reneging on his election promises. He wants that debased Nobel Peace Prize (maybe Iran will go in with Pakistan on the nomination?). He has at least restrained Netanyahu a bit (for now) over Iran if not over Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Iraq or Syria.
Trump creates or enables a war and then calls halt so he can bask in international sycophancy. That deserves credit? I don’t think so!
Do you think the fact Obama got the NPP and he hasn't just simply gnaws away at him day after day after day after day after day.........?
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
The language and the infantile behaviour matter - but not as much as the actions.
Trump was played by Netanyahu, as he was played by Putin. He enabled Israel to attack Iran with US supplied weapons and was then drawn in to take part in the hot war.
Does he deserve the credit you give him for then stopping most (if not all) the bloodshed? He has been Trump-whispered from all sides and is desperate not to piss off his MAGA base any more by so obviously reneging on his election promises. He wants that debased Nobel Peace Prize (maybe Iran will go in with Pakistan on the nomination?). He has at least restrained Netanyahu a bit (for now) over Iran if not over Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Iraq or Syria.
Trump creates or enables a war and then calls halt so he can bask in international sycophancy. That deserves credit? I don’t think so!
Bit Jon, you are never ever going to say anything different to this, but it's not reality. Of course in elections you have to pick a side, and I don't blame anyone for picking a different party to Trump or anything else. But presenting the world as black and white where EVERYTHING is always bad is simply not reality.
Just catching the news and on top of yesterday people acknowledging the role in the ceasefire (and tolerating a missile attack on a US airbase too) today we have the Dutch PM acknowledging his role in boosting European defence spending.
You can acknowledge those things. It doesn't have to change the bigger picture, it's just a better reflection of reality in my opinion.
As for his infantile tweets and the nearly as infantile barbs thrown at him too, surely we have learnt to ignore these by now, and certainly they are less newsworthy on the day a ceasefire between two mortal enemies happens.
I was going to say that AOC is also pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but following last nights result from New York, that is less accurate.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
Early reports suggest the Iranian nuclear facilities have not sustained catastrophic damage. Iran is clearly wounded and a strategic ceasefire is to their advantage at the moment but maybe not to Netanyahu who has lost some momentum in his plans. Any excuse could spark a blow up at any time if any of the opposing factions see an opportunity.
Even arch right winger William Hague has suggested Trump's actions have been at the very least misguided and may result in unintended consequences. For example, one particular, highly probable outcome is that the Iranians realise how vulnerable they are and then redouble their efforts to complete their nuclear programme as their only hope of defending themselves and maintaining their status quo.
With enough money and partner influence they can achieve their goal even if it involves outsourcing the management of the nuclear programme. Unless there is regime change the peril remains and Trump has neither the intelligence nor the guts to open up the Pandora's box a la Iraq and Afghanistan. Why there wouldn't even be a NPP for him in it so what's the point?
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
Do you think the fact Obama got the NPP and he hasn't just simply gnaws away at him day after day after day after day after day.........?
Absolutely.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
It’s way too soon to know whether the bombing of Iranian nuclear sites has had any effect on the ongoing bloodshed. Even if it did, how is Trump worthy of a NPP when he is implicit in the bombing of Gaza?
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
stevo
It’s way too soon to know whether the bombing of Iranian nuclear sites has had any effect on the ongoing bloodshed. Even if it did, how is Trump worthy of a NPP when he is implicit in the bombing of Gaza?
Complicit perhaps.
Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
stevo
ItÂ’s way too soon to know whether the bombing of Iranian nuclear sites has had any effect on the ongoing bloodshed. Even if it did, how is Trump worthy of a NPP when he is implicit in the bombing of Gaza?
Hi Stevo,
I think they are using Obama as the yardstick, you know? the president who dropped 26,000 bombs on 7 countries in his last year of office.
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