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Individually you have a point, I was referring to their collective history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
"Hebrew is the only 'dead' language to be revived as a common unifying tongue for the descendants of those who originally spoke it. Furthermore, no other ancient language foretold its linguistic death and revival thousands of years before it occurred"
If you know another nation who did this in history then please let me know?
I thought Hebrew was merely an adaptation of AramaicQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Hebrew and Aramaic are not the same, though they are very closely related. Hebrew and Aramaic evolved around the same time and in the same region of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
https://peacenow.org/page.php?name=t...-a-real-people[/QUOTE]
Which part of history contained a Palestinian State according to your research?
Nonsense question, as you know.
There has never been a time in history where there was a state, a political entity, called Palestine. There has been a land called Palestine for millennia, and people who have lived in that land. They were indigenous from the time of the Canaanites, they came from the same ethnic stock as the early Jewish tribes and they were incomers from Arabia up to the early years of the Byzantine Empire.
The point being that the Palestinian Arabs who are subject to Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing have lived in that land for many, many centuries. The people who are driving them out, starving them and bombing them are (with very few exceptions) not historically from that land - the biggest groups are from the USA, Russia and Poland.
Post Mandate Palestine was supposed to be divided into a settler Israeli state and a Palestinian state in 1947-48. Only one state was created - Israel - and since that time it has been expanding across the neighbouring Palestinian land in a drive to achieve the Greater Israel that is the objective of political Zionism. Political Zionism is a racist ideology rooted in a literal belief in Old Testament texts - just what you carpet bomb this board with every day!
There should be a Palestinian state as part of a two state 'solution' or else a single liberal-democratic Israeli-Palestinian state with equal rights for all, because that is the position of the United Nations and it is the aspiration of a people without autonomy or equal rights.
The constant attempts to deny Palestinians their identity and their future because their land has been under occupation for most of their history is disgraceful. There is no history of Palestinian states, but there is a long and continuous history of Palestinian people!
I’m glad they have, until lately I know little of what has occurred there before ww2. It’s an interesting read, tribal people back in the old days but the Jews have always had a hard time there, wasn’t Jesus himself a Jew? As much as I obviously can’t agree with all this bombing malarkey that Israel are doing, they have clearly had enough going back 2000 years…..Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
The Philistines were an ancient people who lived in the southern coastal region of Palestine, now known as Israel and Gaza, and were enemies of the Israelites:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The Philistines (now called Palestinians) are thought to have originated from a Greek immigrant group that settled in Canaan around 1175 BC. They are considered to be one of the Sea Peoples.
Every human sapien originated from a small group in the Horn of Africa. Human migration and settlement has long been at the heart of the human experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
On behalf of the manufacturer, Paul explained it like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
"From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands" - Acts 17:26
The next national march for Palestine and Lebanon is on Saturday - ending at the US Embassy. The stakes are getting higher as the genocide continues and spreads.
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
Jesus arrived as a Jew and was given many titles including 'The Lamb of God', yet He will appear once more, and this time (in contrast) as 'The Lion of the Tribe of Judah' - this is because 2000 years ago he was always ultimately meant to go as a lamb to the slaughter, but this time His enemies will be dealt with by the 'Lion'.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
As for your mention of 2000 years, Abraham lived around 2000 BC, so their troubles began over 4000 years ago, and just as the Bible predicted, the entire world will be impacted by their ongoing story.
Unfortunately I expect many Tommy Tommy types to try to disruptQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Maybe - but on previous demonstrations (this will be the 18th or 19th national one in a year) the numbers of counter demonstrators have been in the few hundreds at most, and usually dozens - a mixture of Netanyahu fans, Tommy Robinson fans and Narendra Modi fans: Israeli/English/Indian flags and a lot of shouting - drowned out by 1000x as many marchers for Palestine. There has been no real disruption - the marches are very well stewarded and very orderly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Good to hearQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
How many times did you find 'Jerusalem' mentioned by name in the Koran?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The answer is ZERO, with the Bible standing at over 800 references to Jerusalem.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
I could ask you what you think your point is, but as I have ZERO interest in the answer, I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Yet you posted anyway, very convincing :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I was bowling underarm, and you chose to step on your wicket! OWZAT! :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
'armless would cover it, certainly when it comes to discussing holy documents.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Back with the conflict, Trump wants this over soon, we shall see.
Michael Rosen
Palestinians don't count.
Palestinians don't have names
Palestinians aren't Palestinian.
Palestine isn't Palestine.
Palestine wasn't Palestine.
There is no such word as Palestine.
There is no such word as Palestinian.
The land, (that the people who say they are Palestinian call Palestinian land), is not Palestinian land
The house (that a person who says they're Palestinian, is a Palestinian house),
is not a Palestinian house.
In fact, the house is not a house.
In fact, the person is not a person.
Palestinians don't count.
27 October 2024
It's worth reminding people of course that Michael Rosen is himself Jewish. A great wordsmith and a powerful poemQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
'Palestine wasn't Palestine'
Correct.
With this reply shows what kind of person you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Not a very nice one.
In fact a cnut.
Israel wasn't IsraelQuote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/11/14/...-humanity-gaza
Human Rights Watch:
Israeli authorities have caused massive, deliberate forced displacement of Palestinian civilians in Gaza since October 2023 and are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
There is no plausible imperative military reason to justify Israel’s mass displacement of nearly all of Gaza’s population, often multiple times. Rather than ensuring civilians’ security, military “evacuation orders” have caused grave harm.
Governments should adopt targeted sanctions and other measures, and halt weapons sales to Israel. The International Criminal Court prosecutor should investigate Israel’s forced displacement and prevention of the right to return as a crime against humanity.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...b-637196a00000
"The way it looks on the ground, the IDF won't leave Gaza before 2026," an officer in one of the brigades fighting in Gaza said. "When you see the roads being paved here, it's clear that this isn't intended for the ground maneuvers or for raids by the troops into various places. These roads lead, among other places, to the places from which some of the settlements were removed. I don't know of any intent to rebuild them, that isn't something we're told explicitly. But everyone understands where this is going."
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
Jewish Organizations Around the Globe Condemn German Parliamentary Resolution on Antisemitism
11 November 2024
As Jewish organizations in 22 countries on 6 continents, representing a multitude of members from diverse Jewish backgrounds and traditions, we declare our outrage and condemnation towards the resolution passed in the German Bundestag on November 7th under the title “Never Again Is Now: Protecting, Preserving and Strengthening Jewish Life”. The content of the resolution makes a mockery of its own title.
While paying lip service to “all the facets” of Jewish life, the resolution narrows that life down to one element: the state of Israel. A reminder of Germany’s responsibility after the crimes of the Holocaust is directly followed in the text by a reference to the attack of October 7th 2023 from the Gaza Strip, which resulted from decades of Israel’s dispossession, oppression and murder of Palestinians and triggered a genocidal onslaught that has now lasted for over a year. Germany has been an accomplice in this genocide from the start through unceasing military and political assistance, becoming the second-biggest arms supplier and even promising its support for Israel in the genocide lawsuit initiated by South Africa at the International Court of Justice in The Hague.
Mazyouna’s face was ‘ripped off’ when a rocket hit her home. Israel has refused to allow her evacuation.
The 12-year-old is one of 2,500 children in Gaza that need to be evacuated urgently yet humanitarian agencies say few are being allowed to leave by the Israeli authorities
https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...cal-evacuation
Yes but that wasn't as bad as a few Israeli thugs getting a kicking in Amsterdam last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
They are such a caring nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Always have civilians at heart.
What more can be said - there are no words. I cry for the children every time I catch up with the news on Al Jazeera.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
In Ukraine a teenage girl asleep in her bed was incinerated by a drone that came through the bedroom window and exploded. What a world.
Yes a terrible thing but it could stop with talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
No side seems to be thinking about civilians.
There is more that could be said: we could all write to our MPs and say "stop providing arms to these barbarians or I'll never vote for you again". You watch how quickly the arseholes will change their position.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Don’t be so stupid. Clearly the majority of the world is appalled at the cruelty and barbarity of the Israel military complex yet people in power still believe (publicly) that what they are doing is justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
“Over the last weeks, conversations in Gaza have been intense about the so-called ‘Generals’ Plan’ … within the Israeli forces … which consists of wiping Palestinians off the northern part of Gaza by either killing them, forcing them out, or starving to death those who stay,” Médecins Sans Frontières said on Friday.
“The way the ongoing offensive in the north is being waged … reinforces the idea that we are witnessing the execution of this plan,” the NGO added.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-mohammed-afif
While the attacks on northern Gaza look particularly ruthless, they appear as the logical continuation of the strategy adopted so far by the Israeli forces in Gaza. Since the start of the war, in response to the brutal massacre carried out by Hamas on 7 October 2023, we have watched in horror as Israeli forces began an indiscriminate bombing campaign.
This campaign has been waged while issuing evacuation orders that were built on the lie of the existence of ‘safe zones’, where civilians could seek shelter from the violence.
Throughout Israel’s campaign of death and destruction, a clear pattern of unimaginable violence has emerged: people in Gaza are asked to make an impossible choice between staying, in defiance of the evacuation orders, being assimilated to legitimate targets and killed, or prevented from meeting basic needs; or leaving and risking their lives, be it during their trip, or at the new destination
https://www.msf.org/in-gaza-all-comp...been-destroyed
Between 7/10/23 and 5/11/24, there have been 1,706 Israeli and 43,391 Palestinian deaths in the Israel/Hamas War according to the first para of this piece
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual...80%93Hamas_war
It stopped being an eye for an eye about a year ago.
Why are the west refusing to condemn genocide by the IDF?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I imagine it is a combination of geo-political reasons (defending an 'ally' and 'western' outpost on the Middle East), a heavy dose of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' (Iran), racism (brown skinned Palestinian lives count for a fraction of white skinned Israeli lives), the impact of the Israeli lobby on US and European politicians (goes back to the 1960s at least and is open and proud of its achievement - see AIPAC in the USA and all the similar groups that fund politicians and have made or broken political careers), institutionalised holocaust guilt in Germany and Austria that has been translated into uncritical support for Israel and all it does, and moral cowardice.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
https://www.declassifieduk.org/israe...f-british-mps/
https://www.declassifieduk.org/israe...servative-mps/