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the other bob wilson
I don’t pay much attention to what you post normally, but you’re a Christian aren’t you? Are you seriously saying that all Christians have no alternative but to pardon the atrocities Israel has committed in 2024 because of what 12:3 of what I presume is the book of Genesis says?
If you aren’t a Christian and you’re a Jew, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of them who would have a problem with your interpretation based, as it is, on the book which says the world was created in six days.
In contrast, I do pay attention to much of what you post as I too have watched the City for a long time, in my case almost six decades and already knew many of the characters in your chosen profile picture when they were in their prime (from 67/68). Your spiritual outlook is similar to many born in the 1940's and I have had the pleasure of discussing these issues on faith and Israel with many of your generation - some people are still happy to do that without getting a swift nosebleed. Two points to raise from your initial comment:-
1. Yes, I've been a Christian since 1968, and as I tried to point out using the example of King David, God did NOT approve of his behaviour on more than one occasion in his young life; yet after his deep regret and change in attitude (repentance), God honoured the promise made to Him and he went on to be a superb King.
So just like I (and any other reasonable Bible believers) do not pardon the actions of the leaders of Israel, we also recognise that there is a bigger picture playing out here. This doesn't provide Israel with a blank cheque and the ability to do as they wish as far as God is concerned, and if they (as in the case of David) don't react to recent history as God would want them to do, and if they continue to have at any point an inappropriate attitude towards fellow human beings in the future, then they will be held accountable. What you (and others) need to consider as an agnostic/ atheist, is why justice/ accountability/ human rights matter at all; if we are all the result of a chance random process, then why would anything be right or wrong? Atheists seem to want to borrow such qualities from the Laws written on our hearts by a God who doesn't exist?
2. I assume your 6 days comment is a reference to the fact that any rational human being, and certainly a respected scientist would not entertain such a notion, as science has blown away the idea of a 'young' earth and six days.
Here is an article published by the Guardian in 2006, I have heard many lectures by Professor Andrew McIntosh, who is Professor of Thermodynamics at Leeds, also Professor Stuart Burgess, Head of the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Bristol University.
I have spoken with both of these men who would be delighted to answer your questions on more technical matters and why they hold to God's account of creation. As you can see from the article, there is a massive scale of difference between both positions, but the more popular position may not be as watertight as you and others may expect.
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'What you (and others) need to consider as an agnostic/ atheist, is why justice/ accountability/ human rights matter at all; if we are all the result of a chance random process, then why would anything be right or wrong? Atheists seem to want to borrow such qualities from the Laws written on our hearts by a God who doesn't exist?' (Truthpaste - 22 November 2024)
What a load of arrogant, self-obsessed cobblers.
Justice, accountability and human rights are not the preserve of one strand of 'god botherers' - if it is their preserve at all (much of the evidence says otherwise). People of other religions and none are social animals, and we have developed concepts of justice and rights without reference to a stone/bronze age set of tribal foundation myths from the eastern edge of the Mediterranean.
Acceptance of the theory of evolution in no way undermines the social framework that many different people have developed over recent millenia and over very different parts of the planet.
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jon1959
'What you (and others) need to consider as an agnostic/ atheist, is why justice/ accountability/ human rights matter at all; if we are all the result of a chance random process, then why would anything be right or wrong? Atheists seem to want to borrow such qualities from the Laws written on our hearts by a God who doesn't exist?' (Truthpaste - 22 November 2024)
What a load of arrogant, self-obsessed cobblers.
Justice, accountability and human rights are not the preserve of one strand of 'god botherers' - if it is their preserve at all (much of the evidence says otherwise). People of other religions and none are social animals, and we have developed concepts of justice and rights without reference to a stone/bronze age set of tribal foundation myths from the eastern edge of the Mediterranean.
Acceptance of the theory of evolution in no way undermines the social framework that many different people have developed over recent millenia and over very different parts of the planet.
Most of the popultion of the planet aren't Christians but seem to have moral codes of various descriptions (and some are a lot less cruel than the acts of "God" in The Bible). It's truly laughable to think that truthpaste's deity informs even those who don't believe in it.
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jon1959
'What you (and others) need to consider as an agnostic/ atheist, is why justice/ accountability/ human rights matter at all; if we are all the result of a chance random process, then why would anything be right or wrong? Atheists seem to want to borrow such qualities from the Laws written on our hearts by a God who doesn't exist?' (Truthpaste - 22 November 2024)
What a load of arrogant, self-obsessed cobblers.
Justice, accountability and human rights are not the preserve of one strand of 'god botherers' - if it is their preserve at all (much of the evidence says otherwise). People of other religions and none are social animals, and we have developed concepts of justice and rights without reference to a stone/bronze age set of tribal foundation myths from the eastern edge of the Mediterranean.
Acceptance of the theory of evolution in no way undermines the social framework that many different people have developed over recent millenia and over very different parts of the planet.
Untrue, as in using the evolutionary model of the survival of the fittest, Hitler sought to fast-track this idea by promoting those he considered to be 'superior' and removing those he considered to be 'weaker'.
Your other point about man-made religions is weakened by the fact that the majority borrow the Biblical teaching of considering your fellow 'man' to be greater then yourself, which in fact is a million miles from the idea that is evolution.
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JamesWales
Excellent, I hope they now have the sense to keep their missiles north of the Israeli boarder.
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truthpaste
Excellent, I hope they now have the sense to keep their missiles north of the Israeli boarder.
Yes and that Israel keep their missiles south of the Lebanese border and allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and that Hamas releases any remaining hostages.
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stevo
Yes and that Israel keep their missiles south of the Lebanese border and allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and that Hamas releases any remaining hostages.
Iran have already said they will rebuild Hezbollah and even in July this year Newsweek reported:
"There has been a significant escalation in Hezbollah rocket attacks targeting Israel since October 7, with a total of 13,931 rocket alerts, averaging out at 47 per day"
So let's get some proportion here, Hezbollah has been bombarding Israel constantly for years, and long before this new Iran/ Israel development - we are not reporting for the BBC :shrug:
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truthpaste
Iran have already said they will rebuild Hezbollah and even in July this year Newsweek reported:
"There has been a significant escalation in Hezbollah rocket attacks targeting Israel since October 7, with a total of 13,931 rocket alerts, averaging out at 47 per day"
So let's get some proportion here, Hezbollah has been bombarding Israel constantly for years, and long before this new Iran/ Israel development - we are not reporting for the BBC :shrug:
Aggression is not confined to Hezbollah and Hamas do you not think about what is happening in the West Bank?
People burnt out of their homes by settelers with the help of the IDF.
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jeepster
Aggression is not confined to Hezbollah and Hamas do you not think about what is happening in the West Bank?
People burnt out of their homes by settelers with the help of the IDF.
So when a point is made re Hezbollah you switch to a separate conflict? I, and almost everyone on this board have expressed an opinion that certain individuals in Israel have a lot to answer for when all the facts emerge re the details of the situation in Gaza. I don't believe every single claim but I do call for a comprehensive investigation and full accountability and justice from both sides when all the dust has settled.
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jon1959
One small and isolated piece of good news. Any reply to your letter Gofer?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ical-treatment
According to the UN children’s aid agency, Unicef, there are an estimated 2,500 children in Gaza in urgent need of medical treatment they cannot receive in the territory, where most health infrastructure has been destroyed over the past 14 months of war. It said children were being evacuated at a rate of fewer than one a day.
FAJR Scientific, a medical aid organisation, has been trying to evacuate Mazyouna for treatment to the US since June. “Due to months of delays, Mazyouna’s condition has deteriorated significantly,” said Mosab Nasser, chief executive officer at FAJR Scientific, who flew to Jordan on Wednesday to accompany the family to the US for treatment.
Nasser said children in Gaza were being denied the medical care that could save them and were then prevented from leaving for places where help awaited them, with the Israeli authorities making exceptions “only when it’s too late”.
He cited the example of four-year-old Elia Younis, who suffered fourth-degree burns and amputations after an Israeli airstrike near her home. Her mother, Eslam, also suffered severe burns and blood infection but was denied medical evacuation and died last month.
“We recently evacuated Elia to Jordan but she now has sepsis and is lying in an ICU in Amman,” said Nasser. “Doctors warn she might not make it – all this could have been avoided if she had just been allowed to evacuate sooner.”
Update on the little girl Maziona Damo -
https://www.tiktok.com/@dthrockmorti...07158921104686
I cried when I watched this video but also conscious that she is just one of hundreds, maybe thousands, of children who are suffering in similar circumstances or have possibly even died of their injuries. I will be making a donation to this organisation FAJR* in gratitude for their work. If anyone else would like to do the same this is the link:
https://fajr.org/donate/
*a not-for-profit organisation based in the USA. Active in Gaza.
Please note: I have no affiliation to this organisation and indeed had never heard of them until jon1959 posted the article about them.
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More info on the work of FAJR Scientific in Gaza:
https://fajr.org/support-children/
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Gofer Blue
Great to hear some good news,hope for more.
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Gofer Blue
Great news Gofer, Jordan has and will continue to have a key role to play in middle eastern affairs; I'm sure you've read about Petra.
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FAO Gofer Blue - Following on from the discussion earlier in the thread about writing letters (any reply from the Israeli ambassador yet?) I got a fairly comprehensive mop-up letter from my MP today on the back of months of letters, emails and petitions hitting her in box.
It may be of interest given the particular focus you have had on Israel/Palestine and as an example of politicians responding to constituent pressure:
Dear Jon....,
Thank you for contacting me about appalling events unfolding in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon.
We are contacting you as you have been in touch regarding the war in Gaza and Lebanon. While I have not been able to reply to every email, I would like to reassure you that all emails sent to my office have been read, and your views have been taken into consideration where I have been acting politically on this important issue. Below is an update from me on my views and the actions I have taken regarding the war in Gaza and Lebanon.
Since October 2023, I’ve consistently called for an immediate and permanent ceasefire, hostage return, and the adequate supply of aid. I’ve written to government Ministers on multiple occasions urging them to:
- Respect the interim findings of the ICJ and the independence and jurisdiction of the ICC.
- Lift the previous government’s suspension of UNRWA funding.
- Embargo arms licensing to Israel and publish their legal advice on the issue.
- And criticising the previous government’s approach to holding Israeli authorities accountable for the attack on Rafah.
During the last parliament I signed the following EDMs
1685, for an immediate cessation of hostilities.
177, for an arms embargo on Israel.
377 supporting the authority of the ICJ.
352 and 255, calling on government to publish legal advice.
While in this parliament I have signed the following EDMs
221 supporting the UN’s resolution calling for an end to Israeli presence in the occupied Palestinian territories and calling on the government to ban military exports to Israel alongside goods imports from the Israeli settlements.
363 calling for a Gaza family visa scheme.
And letters
On using hunger as a weapon of war
https://www.caabu.org/news/news/brit...war-gaza-faces
On a ceasefire
https://caabu.org/news/news/over-100...ceasefire-gaza
On forced evictions
https://www.caabu.org/news/news/uk-p...s-palestinians
https://www.caabu.org/news/news/over...t-palestinians
To call for the UK Government to impose sanctions on Israel following the International Court of Justice’s Landmark Advisory Opinion.
Reports by Human Rights Watch, the UN Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, Amnesty International, and others cite Israel’s practise of apartheid and violations of international humanitarian law, including acts of torture and unlawful attacks. The level of violence witnessed in the occupied Gaza strip and Lebanon, including the repeated attacks on the Jabalia camp and the attacks on UN Peacekeepers are nothing short of horrendous.
It is deeply concerning that UK-made military equipment and technology is being used by the Israeli government in the bombardment of the occupied Gaza strip and Lebanon. Whilst I am pleased that the government has already suspended 30 of the 350 arms licences, I believe we should go much further. I have since written to the Secretary of State, David Lammy, highlighting that the UK is required to prevent the transfer of military equipment where there is a clear or overriding risk that such exports might be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law or international human rights law, as affirmed by Articles 6 and 7 of the Arms Trade Treaty, and criteria 1 and 2 of the UK’s Strategic Export Licensing Criteria. I believe that it is not only a moral but also a legal necessity that the UK halt all arms sales and licensing with Israel. You can find a copy of my letter here.
In Parliament, I have urged the Foreign Secretary to bring vulnerable children from Gaza to the UK for urgent medical care. I have also raised Israel’s targeting of medical personnel, which is a crime under international law, and called for sanctions. Prior to the General Election, I lobbied the previous Government to introduce an emergency family reunion scheme for those forced to leave Gaza.
I have been pleased to see the agreement and initial implementation of a ceasefire in Lebanon and hope that this is a step towards an end to this conflict.
In the face of an escalating crisis in the Middle East, I will continue to champion the rights of Palestinians to live in freedom, security, and dignity.
Thank you once again for taking the time to write to me.
Kind Regards,
Olivia Blake MP
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Olivia Blake's letter to David Lammy on 14 October 2024:
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jon1959 - result! Well done. Quite a lengthy reply too. Towards the end of the reply she does make a mention of evacuating vulnerable children from Gaza and asking Lammy to get on the case. I have written to Lammy (c/o the Foreign Office) twice - once by letter and once by email with a link to the video concerning the case of the little girl Mazyouna Damoo. No response as yet.
Sorry, but I can't read your M.P.'s letter to Lammy. It's too small and if I try to expand the page the text is blurred.
I have had no response from the Israeli ambassador as yet (one letter and one email sent, again with link to the Damoo video).
Also I have had no response from our new M.P. - for now I keep giving him the benefit of the doubt as he is new and is probably being bombarded with letters/emails about more important matters such pot holes and the dire state of the NHS in our neck of the woods!
Just before 10pm tonight there was an item on Al Jazeera concerning an organisation called PCRF. I looked them up on the web as I had not heard of them:
https://www.pcrf.net/about-us
One of their objectives is sending injured children from Gaza abroad for medical treatment. The PCRF spokesman on Al Jazeera said that delays are caused by the Israeli government being deliberately obstructive and very few injured children are getting out.
According to the front page of the CCMB there are 290 active members. Imagine what effect that could have if everyone of these wrote to Lammy and the Israeli ambassador. I get so frustrated when I hear people whinging about situations but do nothing about it (apart from moan)!
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Gofer Blue
Good work Gofer and Jon - I should have done more here, but have made a donation at the link above.
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the other bob wilson
Good work Gofer and Jon - I should have done more here, but have made a donation at the link above.
A massive coming together of different thoughts on faith,
but they both proved things can change for the better.
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the other bob wilson
Good work Gofer and Jon - I should have done more here, but have made a donation at the link above.
Thanks for making the donation TOBW - very grateful for your practical response. Actions speak louder than words!
Gofer.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-report-finds
A report from Amnesty International alleges that Israel’s war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip constitutes the crime of genocide under international law, the first such determination by a major human rights organisation in the 14-month-old conflict.
The 296-page report examining events in Gaza between October 2023 to July 2024, published on Thursday, found that Israel had “brazenly, continuously and with total impunity … unleashed hell” on the strip’s 2.3 million population, noting that the “atrocity crimes” against Israelis by Hamas on 7 October 2023, which triggered the war, “do not justify genocide”.
Israel has “committed prohibited acts under the Genocide Convention, namely killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting on Palestinians in Gaza conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction” with the “specific intent to destroy Palestinians” in the territory, the report said.
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The main allegations in the report are:
The unprecedented scale and magnitude of the military offensive, which has caused death and destruction at a speed and level unmatched in any other 21st-century conflict;
Intent to destroy, after considering and discounting arguments such as Israeli recklessness and callous disregard for civilian life in the pursuit of Hamas;
Killing and causing serious bodily or mental harm in repeated direct attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure, or deliberately indiscriminate attacks; and
Inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction, such as destroying medical infrastructure, the obstruction of aid, and repeated use of arbitrary and sweeping “evacuation orders” for 90% of the population to unsuitable areas.
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Well worth the time to read the whole interview:
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/11/ant...ever-surrender
This is the situation in Israel — alongside genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, atrocities, occupation, and persecution of Palestinians in their territories, there’s also fascism growing stronger in Israel by legislation and by the persecution of citizens, arresting people, beating people, etc. Israel is on the verge of a full-fledged fascist regime.
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More personally, I do not compare the ongoing situation in Gaza to the Holocaust. I do compare it to what happened in Germany during the 1930s, but absolutely not what was going on during the 1940s. I hope I won’t have a reason to compare the two in the future.
But the family of my grandparents on my mother’s side were all butchered by the Nazis. All of them were killed. Nobody survived apart from my grandparents, who left Poland before the war. I often ask myself what could have happened if there had been many more people who spoke out against those crimes. Perhaps they could have saved millions of people, including my family.
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Israeli society is also mine, and I want my society to be a just one. This is part of the struggle. They want to silence us, and me in particular, because they don’t want that. They are smearing us as anti-Israeli, as antisemites, and me personally as a self-hating Jew. All those lies are because they want to silence us. And they want to persecute us because they don’t want us to tell the truth in order to amend reality. I shall never surrender.
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https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
Extract:
If the roles were reversed…
Because if the roles were reversed—if Palestinians had spent the last eight decade stealing Jewish homes, expelling, oppressing, imprisoning, poisoning, torturing, raping and killing them; if Palestinians had killed an estimated 300,000 Jews in one year, targeted their journalists, their thinkers, their healthcare workers, their athletes, their artists, bombed every Israeli hospital, university, library, museum, cultural center, synagogue, and simultaneously set up an observation platform where people came watch their slaughter as if a tourist attraction;
If Palestinians had corralled them by the hundreds of thousands into flimsy tents, bombed them in so called safe zones, burned them alive, cut off their food, water, and medicine;
If Palestinians made Jewish children wander barefoot with empty pots; made them gather the flesh of their parents into plastic bags; made them bury their siblings, cousins and friends; made them sneak out from their tents in the middle of the night to sleep on their parents’ graves; made them pray for death just to join their families and not be alone in this terrible world anymore, and terrorized them so utterly that their children lose their hair, lose their memory, lose their minds, and made those as young as 4 and 5 year old were die of heart attacks;
If we mercilessly forced their NICU babies to die, alone in hospital beds, crying until they could cry no more, died and decomposed in the same spot;
If Palestinians used wheat flour aid trucks to lure starving jews, then opened fire on them when they gathered to collect a day’s bread; if Palestinians finally allowed a food delivery into a shelter with hungry Jews, then set fire to the entire shelter and aid truck before anyone could taste the food;
if a Palestinian sniper bragged about blowing out 42 Jewish kneecaps in one day as one Israeli soldier did in 2019; if a Palestinian admitted to CNN that he ran over hundreds of Jews with his tank, their squished flesh lingering in the tank treads;
If Palestinians were systematically raping Jewish doctors, patients, and other captives with hot metal rods, jagged and electrified sticks, and fire extinguishers, sometimes raping to death, as happened with Dr Adnan alBursh and others;
If Jewish women were forced to give birth in filth, get C-sections or leg amputations without anesthesia; if we destroyed their children then decorated our tanks with their toys; if we killed or displaced their women then posed with their lingerie…
If the world were watching the livestreamed systematic annihilation of Jews in real time, there would be no debating whether that constituted terrorism or genocide.
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Thanks for posting these articles, Jon. Makes you realise what a shit planet we live on.
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jon1959
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
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If the roles were reversed…
Because if the roles were reversed—if Palestinians had spent the last eight decade stealing Jewish homes, expelling, oppressing, imprisoning, poisoning, torturing, raping and killing them; if Palestinians had killed an estimated 300,000 Jews in one year, targeted their journalists, their thinkers, their healthcare workers, their athletes, their artists, bombed every Israeli hospital, university, library, museum, cultural center, synagogue, and simultaneously set up an observation platform where people came watch their slaughter as if a tourist attraction;
If Palestinians had corralled them by the hundreds of thousands into flimsy tents, bombed them in so called safe zones, burned them alive, cut off their food, water, and medicine;
If Palestinians made Jewish children wander barefoot with empty pots; made them gather the flesh of their parents into plastic bags; made them bury their siblings, cousins and friends; made them sneak out from their tents in the middle of the night to sleep on their parents’ graves; made them pray for death just to join their families and not be alone in this terrible world anymore, and terrorized them so utterly that their children lose their hair, lose their memory, lose their minds, and made those as young as 4 and 5 year old were die of heart attacks;
If we mercilessly forced their NICU babies to die, alone in hospital beds, crying until they could cry no more, died and decomposed in the same spot;
If Palestinians used wheat flour aid trucks to lure starving jews, then opened fire on them when they gathered to collect a day’s bread; if Palestinians finally allowed a food delivery into a shelter with hungry Jews, then set fire to the entire shelter and aid truck before anyone could taste the food;
if a Palestinian sniper bragged about blowing out 42 Jewish kneecaps in one day as one Israeli soldier did in 2019; if a Palestinian admitted to CNN that he ran over hundreds of Jews with his tank, their squished flesh lingering in the tank treads;
If Palestinians were systematically raping Jewish doctors, patients, and other captives with hot metal rods, jagged and electrified sticks, and fire extinguishers, sometimes raping to death, as happened with Dr Adnan alBursh and others;
If Jewish women were forced to give birth in filth, get C-sections or leg amputations without anesthesia; if we destroyed their children then decorated our tanks with their toys; if we killed or displaced their women then posed with their lingerie…
If the world were watching the livestreamed systematic annihilation of Jews in real time, there would be no debating whether that constituted terrorism or genocide.
Very powerful but sad.
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https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
A Massive Database of Evidence, Compiled by a Historian, Documents Israel's War Crimes in Gaza
A woman with a child is shot while waving a white flag . Starving girls are crushed to death in line for bread. A cuffed 62-year-old man is run over, evidently by a tank. An aerial strike targets people trying to help a wounded boy. A database of thousands of videos, photos, testimonies, reports and investigations documents the horrors committed by Israel in Gaza.
“Bearing Witness to the Israel-Gaza War” by "Lee Mordechai, 42, a former officer in the IDF Combat Engineering Corps, (who) is presently a senior lecturer in history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem."
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A tough read, but thanks for those links Jon. I was struck by the bit that said the person would not compare what’s happened to the Holocaust, but it matches what was going on in Germany in the thirties. Almost as bad is the way that many leaders of western democracies still back the line that Israel is defending itself - that line stopped having any justification a year and more ago.
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Great work they are doing, have shared this and donated, Shalom :xmasthumbup:
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truthpaste
Great work they are doing, have shared this and donated, Shalom :xmasthumbup:
Both PCRF and FAJR seem to be doing similar work in Gaza, so I have donated to each to cover both bases! I also wrote a kind of "thank you email" to both organisations to thank them for what they are doing. I think they deserve to be acknowledged and encouraged about the work they are doing, in what must be the most difficult of circumstances.
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jon1959
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1
A Massive Database of Evidence, Compiled by a Historian, Documents Israel's War Crimes in Gaza
A woman with a child is shot while waving a white flag . Starving girls are crushed to death in line for bread. A cuffed 62-year-old man is run over, evidently by a tank. An aerial strike targets people trying to help a wounded boy. A database of thousands of videos, photos, testimonies, reports and investigations documents the horrors committed by Israel in Gaza.
“Bearing Witness to the Israel-Gaza War” by "Lee Mordechai, 42, a former officer in the IDF Combat Engineering Corps, (who) is presently a senior lecturer in history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem."
A very brave guy to speak up like that I should think, especially considering where he is employed.
Thanks for the other articles - unbelievably harrowing stuff.
Now we have the Syrian uprising situation to add to the mix. I have been speaking with our Syrian refugee family today about this latest news as they still have relatives in the Deraa district which is where the rebel fighters are now. The Syrian mum's mother is living near Deraa City and she told the family over the phone last night that there are armed rebels where she is and she is scared. On the news we see a mixture of reactions from the people - some are euphoric with joy and others are scared, fleeing from their homes. On the one hand the family will be pleased to see Assad toppled (the civil war was the reason they fled their home in 2013 and ended up in Wales) but they are conscious of the likely chaotic future for their country with so many different factions involved - nightmare.
I suspect Assad will do a runner soon as Damascus will be next. I assume he would not be universally accepted elsewhere - Russia or Iran?
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Gofer Blue
Both PCRF and FAJR seem to be doing similar work in Gaza, so I have donated to each to cover both bases! I also wrote a kind of "thank you email" to both organisations to thank them for what they are doing. I think they deserve to be acknowledged and encouraged about the work they are doing, in what must be the most difficult of circumstances.
Indeed, and TEAR Fund who we have supported since the 1980's have also stepped up as you would expect.
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Indeed, and
TEAR Fund who we have supported since the 1980's have also stepped up as you would expect.
Yes, as Christians we have been supporters of Tearfund too for many years. This time I felt an affinity with these other two smaller charities who are directly involved with what is particularly on my heart i.e. helping seriously injured Palestinian children go abroad to get the urgent surgical care they need, rather than a more general humanitarian aid approach (which is no less vital of course and where Tearfund via IHP are working).
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A very brave guy to speak up like that I should think, especially considering where he is employed.
Thanks for the other articles - unbelievably harrowing stuff.
Now we have the Syrian uprising situation to add to the mix. I have been speaking with our Syrian refugee family today about this latest news as they still have relatives in the Deraa district which is where the rebel fighters are now. The Syrian mum's mother is living near Deraa City and she told the family over the phone last night that there are armed rebels where she is and she is scared. On the news we see a mixture of reactions from the people - some are euphoric with joy and others are scared, fleeing from their homes. On the one hand the family will be pleased to see Assad toppled (the civil war was the reason they fled their home in 2013 and ended up in Wales) but they are conscious of the likely chaotic future for their country with so many different factions involved - nightmare.
I suspect Assad will do a runner soon as Damascus will be next. I assume he would not be universally accepted elsewhere - Russia or Iran?
Do you have any information on how much the population has dropped in Damascus over recent years?
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Hezbollah reeling, Assad gone, Hamas Fooked. It's all gone wrong for the ayatollahs since October 7th! Tough times amongst the elite in Tehran
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Do you have any information on how much the population has dropped in Damascus over recent years?
I had a quick look on the web. In 2010 (pre civil war) the population of Damascus was 2,694,000 and this year is 2,685,000 so not much change it seems.
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Hezbollah reeling, Assad gone, Hamas Fooked. It's all gone wrong for the ayatollahs since October 7th! Tough times amongst the elite in Tehran
Assad gone, and so suddenly. A classic case of unexpected consequences. Sadly it could all end up as a case of Iraq Mk.2 with all the different factions battling for power.
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Assad gone, and so suddenly. A classic case of unexpected consequences. Sadly it could all end up as a case of Iraq Mk.2 with all the different factions battling for power.
It's possibly the best opportunity for the Kurds to have their own state.
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It's possibly the best opportunity for the Kurds to have their own state.
Also an opportunity for Turkish-backed groups to have a pop at the Kurds! Happy days.
